Free Agency & Trades Thread 2 **NOW OPEN**

[ForeverTFC]

I thought Kuzma only had 1 year left, but he has 2.

He's an easy avoid.

Career loser, he's just awful. I want no part of him.

If these Kuzma rumours are true it shows how desperate they are to get under the tax. Kuzma was absolutely awful this past season, he actually had negative win shares and negative VORP which is very hard to do, among players playing significant minutes he was 3rd worst in Win Shares and 2nd worst in Value Over Replacement, that's absolutely brutal.

Zach Lowe made a very good point on his latest pod: $20m-$30m contracts - while good for trade purposes - have almost no value by themselves anymore, even if the player is worth that money. The Nets got a 1st and MPJs bad contract for Cam Johnson - and they've been shopping Cam for years now. Powell was just salary dumped and he was in all-star conversations last year. Similarly, expiring contracts are not worth much either, because they almost certainly require that you take a less worse but still bad and longer contract. This is the reality of the market under the current CBA - at least for the near term.

Kuz is $6m less than Barrett and declines next year while Barrett increases. This gives us flexibility - especially as BRI came in below expectations. It seems the Raptors also trying to add a prospect in which gives us more than just flexibility.

I know many like Barrett and he is definitely a better player than Kuzma on pretty much any metric. However, the reality may be that we won't get any value for RJ and as things stand now, we have no ability to extend or bring him back once he expires unless we want to pay the tax. If we're going to lose him anyways, might as well get some flexibility for the next 2 years and get a prospect in. That's my 2 cents. With that said, who knows if teams continue to stay this conservative once they settle into the realities of the cap and some of the contracts of the last CBA era roll off. But for now, all indications are that Barret by himself and outside the construct of a larger deal is not worth much - to us or to others.

[bballsparkin]

Don't recall that, but I am 65.

Hehe something to look forward to. "Oh did I say that? I don't recall. I'm 65 you see."

[bballsparkin]

We already have a bunch of players that would make AJ Green useless on our team. Battle can be our AJ Green next season and he will struggle to touch the floor with a healthy roster.

Excellent point. I don't even know who he is but I see he shot .427 on 5 3PA per game. We could use that. But he's listed at 6 foor 4 200 pounds. We definitely don't need more of that.

[bballsparkin]

When trading with an asset poor team like the Bucks, you take whatever you can of value and try to find a 3rd team if something doesn’t fit.

Superseded by, when trading for Kuzma, I want more!

[OakleyDokely]

I thought AJ Green was a WR in the NFL

[bballsparkin]

Zach Lowe made a very good point on his latest pod: $20m-$30m contracts - while good for trade purposes - have almost no value by themselves anymore, even if the player is worth that money. The Nets got a 1st and MPJs bad contract for Cam Johnson - and they've been shopping Cam for years now. Powell was just salary dumped and he was in all-star conversations last year. Similarly, expiring contracts are not worth much either, because they almost certainly require that you take a less worse but still bad and longer contract. This is the reality of the market under the current CBA - at least for the near term.

Kuz is $6m less than Barrett and declines next year while Barrett increases. This gives us flexibility - especially as BRI came in below expectations. It seems the Raptors also trying to add a prospect in which gives us more than just flexibility.

I know many like Barrett and he is definitely a better player than Kuzma on pretty much any metric. However, the reality may be that we won't get any value for RJ and as things stand now, we have no ability to extend or bring him back once he expires unless we want to pay the tax. If we're going to lose him anyways, might as well get some flexibility for the next 2 years and get a prospect in. That's my 2 cents. With that said, who knows if teams continue to stay this conservative once they settle into the realities of the cap and some of the contracts of the last CBA era roll off. But for now, all indications are that Barret by himself and outside the construct of a larger deal is not worth much - to us or to others.

Yeah, for the Nets they can afford to play the long game. Maybe trade MPJ next year and get another first. So they'll get their 2 frps for Cam eventually. At a snail's pace.

[JB7]

I thought Kuzma only had 1 year left, but he has 2.

He's an easy avoid.

Career loser, he's just awful. I want no part of him.

If these Kuzma rumours are true it shows how desperate they are to get under the tax. Kuzma was absolutely awful this past season, he actually had negative win shares and negative VORP which is very hard to do, among players playing significant minutes he was 3rd worst in Win Shares and 2nd worst in Value Over Replacement, that's absolutely brutal.

Zach Lowe made a very good point on his latest pod: $20m-$30m contracts - while good for trade purposes - have almost no value by themselves anymore, even if the player is worth that money. The Nets got a 1st and MPJs bad contract for Cam Johnson - and they've been shopping Cam for years now. Powell was just salary dumped and he was in all-star conversations last year. Similarly, expiring contracts are not worth much either, because they almost certainly require that you take a less worse but still bad and longer contract. This is the reality of the market under the current CBA - at least for the near term.

Kuz is $6m less than Barrett and declines next year while Barrett increases. This gives us flexibility - especially as BRI came in below expectations. It seems the Raptors also trying to add a prospect in which gives us more than just flexibility.

I know many like Barrett and he is definitely a better player than Kuzma on pretty much any metric. However, the reality may be that we won't get any value for RJ and as things stand now, we have no ability to extend or bring him back once he expires unless we want to pay the tax. If we're going to lose him anyways, might as well get some flexibility for the next 2 years and get a prospect in. That's my 2 cents. With that said, who knows if teams continue to stay this conservative once they settle into the realities of the cap and some of the contracts of the last CBA era roll off. But for now, all indications are that Barret by himself and outside the construct of a larger deal is not worth much - to us or to others.

Or maybe, with the downward pressure on salaries, RJ signs for less than expected. Is a team signing him in FA to big dollars?

[Raptorfan2012]

Career loser, he's just awful. I want no part of him.

If these Kuzma rumours are true it shows how desperate they are to get under the tax. Kuzma was absolutely awful this past season, he actually had negative win shares and negative VORP which is very hard to do, among players playing significant minutes he was 3rd worst in Win Shares and 2nd worst in Value Over Replacement, that's absolutely brutal.

Zach Lowe made a very good point on his latest pod: $20m-$30m contracts - while good for trade purposes - have almost no value by themselves anymore, even if the player is worth that money. The Nets got a 1st and MPJs bad contract for Cam Johnson - and they've been shopping Cam for years now. Powell was just salary dumped and he was in all-star conversations last year. Similarly, expiring contracts are not worth much either, because they almost certainly require that you take a less worse but still bad and longer contract. This is the reality of the market under the current CBA - at least for the near term.

Kuz is $6m less than Barrett and declines next year while Barrett increases. This gives us flexibility - especially as BRI came in below expectations. It seems the Raptors also trying to add a prospect in which gives us more than just flexibility.

I know many like Barrett and he is definitely a better player than Kuzma on pretty much any metric. However, the reality may be that we won't get any value for RJ and as things stand now, we have no ability to extend or bring him back once he expires unless we want to pay the tax. If we're going to lose him anyways, might as well get some flexibility for the next 2 years and get a prospect in. That's my 2 cents. With that said, who knows if teams continue to stay this conservative once they settle into the realities of the cap and some of the contracts of the last CBA era roll off. But for now, all indications are that Barret by himself and outside the construct of a larger deal is not worth much - to us or to others.

Or maybe, with the downward pressure on salaries, RJ signs for less than expected. Is a team signing him in FA to big dollars?

Yeah, unless somehow RJ gets All-star considerations in his next 2 seasons, I doubt any team is going to pay him big money. We can probably re-sign him for under $20M a season.

[Pointgod]

I thought Kuzma only had 1 year left, but he has 2.

He's an easy avoid.

Career loser, he's just awful. I want no part of him.

If these Kuzma rumours are true it shows how desperate they are to get under the tax. Kuzma was absolutely awful this past season, he actually had negative win shares and negative VORP which is very hard to do, among players playing significant minutes he was 3rd worst in Win Shares and 2nd worst in Value Over Replacement, that's absolutely brutal.

Zach Lowe made a very good point on his latest pod: $20m-$30m contracts - while good for trade purposes - have almost no value by themselves anymore, even if the player is worth that money. The Nets got a 1st and MPJs bad contract for Cam Johnson - and they've been shopping Cam for years now. Powell was just salary dumped and he was in all-star conversations last year. Similarly, expiring contracts are not worth much either, because they almost certainly require that you take a less worse but still bad and longer contract. This is the reality of the market under the current CBA - at least for the near term.

Kuz is $6m less than Barrett and declines next year while Barrett increases. This gives us flexibility - especially as BRI came in below expectations. It seems the Raptors also trying to add a prospect in which gives us more than just flexibility.

I know many like Barrett and he is definitely a better player than Kuzma on pretty much any metric. However, the reality may be that we won't get any value for RJ and as things stand now, we have no ability to extend or bring him back once he expires unless we want to pay the tax. If we're going to lose him anyways, might as well get some flexibility for the next 2 years and get a prospect in. That's my 2 cents. With that said, who knows if teams continue to stay this conservative once they settle into the realities of the cap and some of the contracts of the last CBA era roll off. But for now, all indications are that Barret by himself and outside the construct of a larger deal is not worth much - to us or to others.

What you say makes a lot of sense but **** I couldn’t stand Kuzma on this team. It seems like only Lebron could get the best out of him.

[ForeverTFC]

Or maybe, with the downward pressure on salaries, RJ signs for less than expected. Is a team signing him in FA to big dollars?

Yeah, unless somehow RJ gets All-star considerations in his next 2 seasons, I doubt any team is going to pay him big money. We can probably re-sign him for under $20M a season.

Sure. But absent a massive and transformational trade, this path would entail us moving one or two of our young guys for no return to stay under the tax for the next 2 years. Is that worth the chance that you can give RJ a value contract - which embeds in it the assumption that he has not become a needle mover as a player and has a limited market?

[PushDaRock]

If these Kuzma rumours are true it shows how desperate they are to get under the tax. Kuzma was absolutely awful this past season, he actually had negative win shares and negative VORP which is very hard to do, among players playing significant minutes he was 3rd worst in Win Shares and 2nd worst in Value Over Replacement, that's absolutely brutal.

Considering RJ has been thrown out there in every trade scenario possible while nothing has happened yet, what makes you think this one is any more true than the others?

If we were that desperate to get rid of him, it would have happened already.

There was no RJ to Bucks rumour at all. Just a trade discussion between Milwaukee and Toronto involving AJ Green. I don't think anyone in their right mind things AJ Green is getting in the way of a major trade like RJ going out.

You would probably be surprised how highly AJ Green seems to be valued by the Bucks board.

[bballsparkin]

You would probably be surprised how highly AJ Green seems to be valued by the Bucks board.

Well, have you seen their roster? hehe

[WuTang_OG]

Where's the Kuz to Toronto rumour? Or are we just going off the AJ Green thing?

[navyblue]

Where's the Kuz to Toronto rumour? Or are we just going off the AJ Green thing?

Just going off the aj green news.

[PushDaRock]

Or maybe, with the downward pressure on salaries, RJ signs for less than expected. Is a team signing him in FA to big dollars?

Yeah, unless somehow RJ gets All-star considerations in his next 2 seasons, I doubt any team is going to pay him big money. We can probably re-sign him for under $20M a season.

Sure. But absent a massive and transformational trade, this path would entail us moving one or two of our young guys for no return to stay under the tax for the next 2 years. Is that worth the chance that you can give RJ a value contract - which embeds in it the assumption that he has not become a needle mover as a player and has a limited market?

Ducking the tax this year is not difficult, so I don't think it should even factor too much into our plans. We should not be removing talent from this roster which is already lacking in it. If our young guys make some big jumps that make RJ expendable, that's something we can worry about then. Right now, I don't think that's even close to the case. I think we should be operating under all possibilities being out there as we still have yet to see this team play a single game together.

[ForeverTFC]

Where's the Kuz to Toronto rumour? Or are we just going off the AJ Green thing?

Bucks need a guard. All they have to move is Kuzma. People just connecting the dots.

[ForeverTFC]

Yeah, unless somehow RJ gets All-star considerations in his next 2 seasons, I doubt any team is going to pay him big money. We can probably re-sign him for under $20M a season.

Sure. But absent a massive and transformational trade, this path would entail us moving one or two of our young guys for no return to stay under the tax for the next 2 years. Is that worth the chance that you can give RJ a value contract - which embeds in it the assumption that he has not become a needle mover as a player and has a limited market?

Ducking the tax this year is not difficult, so I don't think it should even factor too much into our plans. We should not be removing talent from this roster which is already lacking in it. If our young guys make some big jumps that make RJ expendable, that's something we can worry about then. Right now, I don't think that's even close to the case. I think we should be operating under all possibilities being out there as we still have yet to see this team play a single game together.

Ducking the tax would require moving one of our young guys. You are right that it's not difficult, but I'd rather not ship Mogbo out for nothing. I really don't know what RJ is doing for this team mid to long term.

[bboyskinnylegs]

isn't Ochai to the Bucks much more likely than RJ?

[WuTang_OG]

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[Kingsway_fan]

isn't Ochai to the Bucks much more likely than RJ?

And what do they have that we would value in return? It's not kuzma..

Nothing...