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boozapalooza wrote:
Simmons spoke in depth on the Bulls today on his pod as the least desirable team over the next 5 years. I don’t agree with that, but agree with this part. Turn up the pressure on Jerry, sell the damn team!!!
DuckIII wrote:boozapalooza wrote:
Simmons spoke in depth on the Bulls today on his pod as the least desirable team over the next 5 years. I don’t agree with that, but agree with this part. Turn up the pressure on Jerry, sell the damn team!!!
I’m not going to listen to it to understand his rationale (pretty sure I know what it is - no franchise player, no picks, too many wins to bottom out), but I know I don’t agree with him. I would have agreed with him had he said it the last 3 years though.
kodo wrote:DuckIII wrote:boozapalooza wrote:
Simmons spoke in depth on the Bulls today on his pod as the least desirable team over the next 5 years. I don’t agree with that, but agree with this part. Turn up the pressure on Jerry, sell the damn team!!!
I’m not going to listen to it to understand his rationale (pretty sure I know what it is - no franchise player, no picks, too many wins to bottom out), but I know I don’t agree with him. I would have agreed with him had he said it the last 3 years though.
Basically came down to:
- Our strategy is to have huge cap space in 2026...but nobody goes to Chicago. "They've never been that team we've never seen it"
- We have haven't paid the lux tax in forever (Ryen then laughs "small market" and they both joke about how we're a small market team in a big market)
- We didn't make the Derek Queen trade
- Coby White's next contract might be scary
- Won't be a bottom 5 team
- Owners made it clear they will never spend money, terrible handling of the Jordan legacy, free agents will never come to Chicago
- Ryen: Giddey was a good trade, but the rest of the roster... (didn't finish)
- Both Bill & Ryen reiterated they always thought Giddey was a good trade although poorly perceived
DuckIII wrote:kodo wrote:DuckIII wrote:
I’m not going to listen to it to understand his rationale (pretty sure I know what it is - no franchise player, no picks, too many wins to bottom out), but I know I don’t agree with him. I would have agreed with him had he said it the last 3 years though.
Basically came down to:
- Our strategy is to have huge cap space in 2026...but nobody goes to Chicago. "They've never been that team we've never seen it"
- We have haven't paid the lux tax in forever (Ryen then laughs "small market" and they both joke about how we're a small market team in a big market)
- We didn't make the Derek Queen trade
- Coby White's next contract might be scary
- Won't be a bottom 5 team
- Owners made it clear they will never spend money, terrible handling of the Jordan legacy, free agents will never come to Chicago
- Ryen: Giddey was a good trade, but the rest of the roster... (didn't finish)
- Both Bill & Ryen reiterated they always thought Giddey was a good trade although poorly perceived
Thanks, but this is just more evidence of why I don't understand why fans care what national reporters say. Any educated Bulls fan knows more about his team and has a more nuanced understanding of the circumstances than national media ever will (outside of breaking specific stories). His rationale isn't even as good as the one I'd come up with, and I don't even agree with the premise. Weak effort.
Simmons lost his fast ball about 15 years ago. Just stick to Boston related stuff and pop culture cross overs from 30 years ago.
boozapalooza wrote:DuckIII wrote:kodo wrote:
Basically came down to:
- Our strategy is to have huge cap space in 2026...but nobody goes to Chicago. "They've never been that team we've never seen it"
- We have haven't paid the lux tax in forever (Ryen then laughs "small market" and they both joke about how we're a small market team in a big market)
- We didn't make the Derek Queen trade
- Coby White's next contract might be scary
- Won't be a bottom 5 team
- Owners made it clear they will never spend money, terrible handling of the Jordan legacy, free agents will never come to Chicago
- Ryen: Giddey was a good trade, but the rest of the roster... (didn't finish)
- Both Bill & Ryen reiterated they always thought Giddey was a good trade although poorly perceived
Thanks, but this is just more evidence of why I don't understand why fans care what national reporters say. Any educated Bulls fan knows more about his team and has a more nuanced understanding of the circumstances than national media ever will (outside of breaking specific stories). His rationale isn't even as good as the one I'd come up with, and I don't even agree with the premise. Weak effort.
Simmons lost his fast ball about 15 years ago. Just stick to Boston related stuff and pop culture cross overs from 30 years ago.
Idc about Bill’s comments on our roster, moreso posted for the national call out of our ownership. Reinsdorfs could sell for $6-8B conservatively. Why would they not take advantage of a hot market….
drosestruts wrote:
Time for another cycle of over-hyping prospects.
"A crown jewel that scores effortlessly at all three-levels"
Pretty sure he just shot 11% from 3 in the Fiba tournament across 7 games.
Why the rush to crown prospects so quickly.
Also there's plenty to like about prospects without these hyperbolic posts - AJ Dybantsa shot 68% from 2 in the tournament and average 7 FTA per game while hitting 84% of his free throws. That's awesome.
But an effortless scorer across all 3-levels? No. Not yet atleast.
drosestruts wrote:
Time for another cycle of over-hyping prospects.
"A crown jewel that scores effortlessly at all three-levels"
Pretty sure he just shot 11% from 3 in the Fiba tournament across 7 games.
Why the rush to crown prospects so quickly.
Also there's plenty to like about prospects without these hyperbolic posts - AJ Dybantsa shot 68% from 2 in the tournament and average 7 FTA per game while hitting 84% of his free throws. That's awesome.
But an effortless scorer across all 3-levels? No. Not yet atleast.
drosestruts wrote:
Time for another cycle of over-hyping prospects.
"A crown jewel that scores effortlessly at all three-levels"
Pretty sure he just shot 11% from 3 in the Fiba tournament across 7 games.
Why the rush to crown prospects so quickly.
Also there's plenty to like about prospects without these hyperbolic posts - AJ Dybantsa shot 68% from 2 in the tournament and average 7 FTA per game while hitting 84% of his free throws. That's awesome.
But an effortless scorer across all 3-levels? No. Not yet atleast.
Jcool0 wrote:drosestruts wrote:
Time for another cycle of over-hyping prospects.
"A crown jewel that scores effortlessly at all three-levels"
Pretty sure he just shot 11% from 3 in the Fiba tournament across 7 games.
Why the rush to crown prospects so quickly.
Also there's plenty to like about prospects without these hyperbolic posts - AJ Dybantsa shot 68% from 2 in the tournament and average 7 FTA per game while hitting 84% of his free throws. That's awesome.
But an effortless scorer across all 3-levels? No. Not yet atleast.
FYI he won the MVP of the FIBA U19 World Cup
drosestruts wrote:I feel like national coverage of the Bulls in general skews negative compared to other franchises. I'm not opposed to criticisms of our team or front offices, but I do think we get "more of it" than other teams/players.
Paolo Banchero just signed a rookie max extension and I only see the move as being celebrated. No mention that in each of his first three seasons the Magic have been better when Banchero sits compared to when he's on the court. No mention of his poo effeciency numbers. Zach LaVine receives endless criticism for his on/off numbers and lack of wins. Advanced stats would suggest the Magic's success (if we're labeling 1st round exists as success now) comes in spite of Banchero and not because of him - yet the move receives nothing but praise.
In yesterday's Zach Lowe podcast, he spent a significant portion talking about how Ayton could be a very good pickup for the Lakers. You put on the purple and gold and all of a sudden you're a good player? Please. But it does seem to be the case - Dorian Finney Smith is somehow a key addition for the Rockets (averaging 8 points and 3 rebounds a game) but Patrick Williams (9 point and 4 rebounds in what was easily the worst season of his career) is one of the worst contracts in the NBA? DFS will be 36 by the end of his deal. Jake LaRavia all of a sudden is some high-iq offensive scorer?
If the Bulls offseason moves were signing LaRavia and Ayton they'd be getting dumped on nationally and on this board.
I feel like the lens the Bulls are viewed and judged through - isn't the same as other franchises.
jnrjr79 wrote:drosestruts wrote:I feel like national coverage of the Bulls in general skews negative compared to other franchises. I'm not opposed to criticisms of our team or front offices, but I do think we get "more of it" than other teams/players.
Paolo Banchero just signed a rookie max extension and I only see the move as being celebrated. No mention that in each of his first three seasons the Magic have been better when Banchero sits compared to when he's on the court. No mention of his poo effeciency numbers. Zach LaVine receives endless criticism for his on/off numbers and lack of wins. Advanced stats would suggest the Magic's success (if we're labeling 1st round exists as success now) comes in spite of Banchero and not because of him - yet the move receives nothing but praise.
In yesterday's Zach Lowe podcast, he spent a significant portion talking about how Ayton could be a very good pickup for the Lakers. You put on the purple and gold and all of a sudden you're a good player? Please. But it does seem to be the case - Dorian Finney Smith is somehow a key addition for the Rockets (averaging 8 points and 3 rebounds a game) but Patrick Williams (9 point and 4 rebounds in what was easily the worst season of his career) is one of the worst contracts in the NBA? DFS will be 36 by the end of his deal. Jake LaRavia all of a sudden is some high-iq offensive scorer?
If the Bulls offseason moves were signing LaRavia and Ayton they'd be getting dumped on nationally and on this board.
I feel like the lens the Bulls are viewed and judged through - isn't the same as other franchises.
I think the coverage of the Bulls is skewed in the national media because the Bulls are a large market franchise that operates like a small market franchise. Orlando is an actual small market franchise, so it's not going to be viewed the same way in terms of its decision-making.
drosestruts wrote:jnrjr79 wrote:drosestruts wrote:I feel like national coverage of the Bulls in general skews negative compared to other franchises. I'm not opposed to criticisms of our team or front offices, but I do think we get "more of it" than other teams/players.
Paolo Banchero just signed a rookie max extension and I only see the move as being celebrated. No mention that in each of his first three seasons the Magic have been better when Banchero sits compared to when he's on the court. No mention of his poo effeciency numbers. Zach LaVine receives endless criticism for his on/off numbers and lack of wins. Advanced stats would suggest the Magic's success (if we're labeling 1st round exists as success now) comes in spite of Banchero and not because of him - yet the move receives nothing but praise.
In yesterday's Zach Lowe podcast, he spent a significant portion talking about how Ayton could be a very good pickup for the Lakers. You put on the purple and gold and all of a sudden you're a good player? Please. But it does seem to be the case - Dorian Finney Smith is somehow a key addition for the Rockets (averaging 8 points and 3 rebounds a game) but Patrick Williams (9 point and 4 rebounds in what was easily the worst season of his career) is one of the worst contracts in the NBA? DFS will be 36 by the end of his deal. Jake LaRavia all of a sudden is some high-iq offensive scorer?
If the Bulls offseason moves were signing LaRavia and Ayton they'd be getting dumped on nationally and on this board.
I feel like the lens the Bulls are viewed and judged through - isn't the same as other franchises.
I think the coverage of the Bulls is skewed in the national media because the Bulls are a large market franchise that operates like a small market franchise. Orlando is an actual small market franchise, so it's not going to be viewed the same way in terms of its decision-making.
If Zach LaVine is a bad signing/contract because his teams are better with him on the bench than they are when he's on the court, then Paolo Banchero should be considered a bad signing since for the first three years of his carrer his teams have been better with him on the bench as opposed to having him on the court.
I'm not sure what market size has to do with this.
drosestruts wrote:jnrjr79 wrote:drosestruts wrote:I feel like national coverage of the Bulls in general skews negative compared to other franchises. I'm not opposed to criticisms of our team or front offices, but I do think we get "more of it" than other teams/players.
Paolo Banchero just signed a rookie max extension and I only see the move as being celebrated. No mention that in each of his first three seasons the Magic have been better when Banchero sits compared to when he's on the court. No mention of his poo effeciency numbers. Zach LaVine receives endless criticism for his on/off numbers and lack of wins. Advanced stats would suggest the Magic's success (if we're labeling 1st round exists as success now) comes in spite of Banchero and not because of him - yet the move receives nothing but praise.
In yesterday's Zach Lowe podcast, he spent a significant portion talking about how Ayton could be a very good pickup for the Lakers. You put on the purple and gold and all of a sudden you're a good player? Please. But it does seem to be the case - Dorian Finney Smith is somehow a key addition for the Rockets (averaging 8 points and 3 rebounds a game) but Patrick Williams (9 point and 4 rebounds in what was easily the worst season of his career) is one of the worst contracts in the NBA? DFS will be 36 by the end of his deal. Jake LaRavia all of a sudden is some high-iq offensive scorer?
If the Bulls offseason moves were signing LaRavia and Ayton they'd be getting dumped on nationally and on this board.
I feel like the lens the Bulls are viewed and judged through - isn't the same as other franchises.
I think the coverage of the Bulls is skewed in the national media because the Bulls are a large market franchise that operates like a small market franchise. Orlando is an actual small market franchise, so it's not going to be viewed the same way in terms of its decision-making.
If Zach LaVine is a bad signing/contract because his teams are better with him on the bench than they are when he's on the court, then Paolo Banchero should be considered a bad signing since for the first three years of his carrer his teams have been better with him on the bench as opposed to having him on the court.
I'm not sure what market size has to do with this.
Jcool0 wrote:drosestruts wrote:jnrjr79 wrote:
I think the coverage of the Bulls is skewed in the national media because the Bulls are a large market franchise that operates like a small market franchise. Orlando is an actual small market franchise, so it's not going to be viewed the same way in terms of its decision-making.
If Zach LaVine is a bad signing/contract because his teams are better with him on the bench than they are when he's on the court, then Paolo Banchero should be considered a bad signing since for the first three years of his carrer his teams have been better with him on the bench as opposed to having him on the court.
I'm not sure what market size has to do with this.
Paolo Banchero was the best player on a 47 win Magic team who took a better Cleveland team to 7 games last year. Orlando was also on pace for 50+ wins this season before Paolo (And Wagner) got injured & had a contemplative series against fully healthy Boston where he averaged 29/8/4.
jnrjr79 wrote:drosestruts wrote:jnrjr79 wrote:
I think the coverage of the Bulls is skewed in the national media because the Bulls are a large market franchise that operates like a small market franchise. Orlando is an actual small market franchise, so it's not going to be viewed the same way in terms of its decision-making.
If Zach LaVine is a bad signing/contract because his teams are better with him on the bench than they are when he's on the court, then Paolo Banchero should be considered a bad signing since for the first three years of his carrer his teams have been better with him on the bench as opposed to having him on the court.
I'm not sure what market size has to do with this.
Probably has more to do with +/- having limited utility. I think Banchero is viewed as a young rising franchise centerpiece and Zach is not. Perhaps that's a misapprehension, but that seems to be the general consensus, and I don't think it's because the media hates the Bulls.
drosestruts wrote:Jcool0 wrote:drosestruts wrote:
If Zach LaVine is a bad signing/contract because his teams are better with him on the bench than they are when he's on the court, then Paolo Banchero should be considered a bad signing since for the first three years of his carrer his teams have been better with him on the bench as opposed to having him on the court.
I'm not sure what market size has to do with this.
Paolo Banchero was the best player on a 47 win Magic team who took a better Cleveland team to 7 games last year. Orlando was also on pace for 50+ wins this season before Paolo (And Wagner) got injured & had a contemplative series against fully healthy Boston where he averaged 29/8/4.
29 points..... on a 51.7% TS% in a series his team lost 4-1
This is a great example of what I'm talking about.
There'd be no "team suffered injuries" excuse if this were the Bulls or a player on the Bulls
And no celebrating scoring 29 points if doen on bad effeciency