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Re: Pacers trade rumors & speculation thread 

Post#401 » by JMaster5K » Tue Jul 8, 2025 2:17 pm

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JMaster5K wrote:Do you happen to know how long this hamstring problem has been bothering him?....


He had a hamstring issue at the combine but I haven't seen any reporting as to whether this is the same leg or a second injury. as for being on top of things, I just watch Locked on Pacers.

also, Scoot can clarify, but if we get a hardship extension, does that keep Tyrese from counting toward 15 and allow us to carry 4 centers and still sign another guard???


That's what I was hoping you were gonna say! I've been quiet on Kam,... because his measurements at the combine simply did not match his tape. They weren't 'bad' measurements, just well below what you would expect from even a 2nd round selection (vertical, shuttle, lane agility - all of which would be significantly impacted by a hamstring injury). Yet,... some of the tape showed a much more explosive guard? I wasn't sure whether it was just level of competition? or if something else was going on.

Thanks again for clearing that up,... that's given me a good day, no matter what else happens. :D

IF,... (as I suspect from the limited video I can get,.....) that injury was also impacting him during the late stages of the collegiate season? (even if it was just a nagging thing at that point?), he is likely to be much better than even the optimistic draftniks were supposing? His skills, at least from all I saw, were never in question,... it was his level of athleticism,... and his inefficiency of his shot at the rim. (which again,... would be affected by a hamstring.)

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Re: Pacers trade rumors & speculation thread 

Post#402 » by Pacers Forever » Tue Jul 8, 2025 4:04 pm

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JMaster5K wrote:Do you happen to know how long this hamstring problem has been bothering him?....


He had a hamstring issue at the combine but I haven't seen any reporting as to whether this is the same leg or a second injury. as for being on top of things, I just watch Locked on Pacers.

also, Scoot can clarify, but if we get a hardship extension, does that keep Tyrese from counting toward 15 and allow us to carry 4 centers and still sign another guard???


I’m not Scoot but the Pacers cannot use a hardship exception for Tyrese Haliburton to allow them to exceed the 15-man roster limit. The NBA hardship exception is a temporary measure that allows teams to exceed the roster limit when at least four players are sidelined due to injury or illness and are expected to miss at least two weeks. Each of these four players must have already missed three consecutive games. This is per googling.
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Re: Pacers trade rumors & speculation thread 

Post#403 » by Wizop » Tue Jul 8, 2025 4:29 pm

Pacers Forever wrote:I’m not Scoot but the Pacers cannot use a hardship exception for Tyrese Haliburton to allow them to exceed the 15-man roster limit. The NBA hardship exception is a temporary measure that allows teams to exceed the roster limit when at least four players are sidelined due to injury or illness and are expected to miss at least two weeks. Each of these four players must have already missed three consecutive games. This is per googling.


I think that's right. Tony East said the same thing without the detailed explanation. That means we have to drop a center (Bradley) to sign a guard. My personal opinion is that we can get by without adding another point guard but either RayJ or Q would have to go to make a two-way slot for Peter.
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Post#404 » by Pacers Forever » Tue Jul 8, 2025 4:54 pm

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Pacers Forever wrote:I’m not Scoot but the Pacers cannot use a hardship exception for Tyrese Haliburton to allow them to exceed the 15-man roster limit. The NBA hardship exception is a temporary measure that allows teams to exceed the roster limit when at least four players are sidelined due to injury or illness and are expected to miss at least two weeks. Each of these four players must have already missed three consecutive games. This is per googling.


I think that's right. Tony East said the same thing without the detailed explanation. That means we have to drop a center (Bradley) to sign a guard. My personal opinion is that we can get by without adding another point guard but either RayJ or Q would have to go to make a two-way slot for Peter.


Actually they might not have to go if we waive Bradley. I (for some idiotic reason) was thinking 14 roster spots plus 3 two way players recently instead of the correct 15 roster players.

Ty
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14 Isiah ?
15 Bradley non guaranteed slot could become one of these four - Freeman, Quenton, Ray J, Peter or JJ, Bryant, or any cheap free agent or another cheap trade acquisition
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Post#405 » by Wizop » Tue Jul 8, 2025 5:17 pm

Pacers Forever wrote:Actually they might not have to go if we waive Bradley. I (for some idiotic reason) was thinking 14 roster spots plus 3 two way players recently instead of the correct 15 roster players.


I have Freeman and Peter on two-ways which leaves a two-way slots for RayJ or Q but not both. of course, one could be elevated to the main roster in Bradley's spot,
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Post#406 » by Wizop » Tue Jul 8, 2025 6:24 pm

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The Pacers have officially signed Kam Jones to a standard contract. They have also signed Quenton Jackson to a two-way deal.
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Post#407 » by Wizop » Tue Jul 8, 2025 6:31 pm

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Post#408 » by JMaster5K » Tue Jul 8, 2025 6:44 pm

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Wizop wrote:
Pacers Forever wrote:I’m not Scoot but the Pacers cannot use a hardship exception for Tyrese Haliburton to allow them to exceed the 15-man roster limit. The NBA hardship exception is a temporary measure that allows teams to exceed the roster limit when at least four players are sidelined due to injury or illness and are expected to miss at least two weeks. Each of these four players must have already missed three consecutive games. This is per googling.


I think that's right. Tony East said the same thing without the detailed explanation. That means we have to drop a center (Bradley) to sign a guard. My personal opinion is that we can get by without adding another point guard but either RayJ or Q would have to go to make a two-way slot for Peter.


Actually they might not have to go if we waive Bradley. I (for some idiotic reason) was thinking 14 roster spots plus 3 two way players recently instead of the correct 15 roster players.

Ty
TJ
Benn
Drew
Shep
Aaron
Furphy
Walk
Obi
Pascal
Wise
Huff
Kam
14 Isiah ?
15 Bradley non guaranteed slot could become one of these four - Freeman, Quenton, Ray J, Peter or JJ, Bryant, or any cheap free agent or another cheap trade acquisition


If I haven't misread something,... then 14 would be Isaiah,... KP said something about them having another signing soon,... then confirmed later that they had an agreement & were signing I-Jax.
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Post#409 » by Pacers Forever » Tue Jul 8, 2025 7:22 pm

JMaster5k the Pacers tendered offer sheets to Q, Isiah, and Freeman. As of now I haven’t seen an announcement on Freeman or Isiah agreeing to terms offered yet. No word on an offer to Taelon Peter yet.
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Post#410 » by Pacers Forever » Tue Jul 8, 2025 7:34 pm

Per Tony East tweet -With 14 players on standard deals (12 fully guaranteed) and 2 players on two-way agreements, I have the Pacers $13.8 million away from the luxury tax line. Isaiah Jackson still hanging out there in free agency after the front office said they're trending well with him. Jackson won't get $13.8m in year 1, of course. So wiggle room for the Pacers to figure things out still. One open two-way slot with Taelon Peter and Enrique Freeman unsigned. James Johnson, Thomas Bryant free agents as well. Some flexibility with Tony Bradley non-guaranteed.
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Post#411 » by Wizop » Tue Jul 8, 2025 7:52 pm

If iJax signs, I have Freeman, Peter, and Bradley competing for one open two-way and one standard contract.
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Post#412 » by Wizop » Tue Jul 8, 2025 8:15 pm

Turner leaving solved this year's tax problem but next year Nesmith deserves a bump and Mathurin will be a free agent if not extended. that will put us only 16mm below the tax line with two spots including Benn's to fill.

https://www.capsheets.com/indiana-pacers-cap-sheet/
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Post#413 » by JMaster5K » Tue Jul 8, 2025 9:05 pm

Pacers Forever wrote:JMaster5k the Pacers tendered offer sheets to Q, Isiah, and Freeman. As of now I haven’t seen an announcement on Freeman or Isiah agreeing to terms offered yet. No word on an offer to Taelon Peter yet.


Here's the article mate,... :)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/tonyeast/2025/07/08/pacers-were-shocked-by-myles-turner-departure-forced-pivot-at-center/

"The President shared that there was an internal free agent who has been on the team that the Pacers were close to finalizing a deal with.

When asked later if that player is Isaiah Jackson, Pritchard said that is a good guess. “We’re moving in a good direction with Isaiah,” he said. “I think the sky’s the limit for him.”

Scott Agnes (Fieldhouse Files) was also including i-Jax in his tweet on the KP interview.

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Post#414 » by 8305 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 12:30 am

Wizop wrote:Turner leaving solved this year's tax problem but next year Nesmith deserves a bump and Mathurin will be a free agent if not extended. that will put us only 16mm below the tax line with two spots including Benn's to fill.

https://www.capsheets.com/indiana-pacers-cap-sheet/

Yeah, I continue to question how Benn fits on this team long term?
When you have the opportunity to extend Nesmith do you want Benn absorbing all the teams cap?
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Post#415 » by Wizop » Wed Jul 9, 2025 12:43 am

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Wizop wrote:Turner leaving solved this year's tax problem but next year Nesmith deserves a bump and Mathurin will be a free agent if not extended. that will put us only 16mm below the tax line with two spots including Benn's to fill.

https://www.capsheets.com/indiana-pacers-cap-sheet/

Yeah, I continue to question how Benn fits on this team long term?
When you have the opportunity to extend Nesmith do you want Benn absorbing all the teams cap?


It's not just Benn. It's every team's problem trying to stay under the second apron with two max contracts.
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Post#416 » by GreatBuchinsky » Wed Jul 9, 2025 2:17 am

Wizop wrote:
8305 wrote:
Wizop wrote:Turner leaving solved this year's tax problem but next year Nesmith deserves a bump and Mathurin will be a free agent if not extended. that will put us only 16mm below the tax line with two spots including Benn's to fill.

https://www.capsheets.com/indiana-pacers-cap-sheet/

Yeah, I continue to question how Benn fits on this team long term?
When you have the opportunity to extend Nesmith do you want Benn absorbing all the teams cap?


It's not just Benn. It's every team's problem trying to stay under the second apron with two max contracts.


I’d be very hesitant to move Benn or any of our other young players before Haliburton is back to himself. The elephant that nobody wants to discuss is what if he never returns to 100%? It’s a very real possibility that we are paying max money to a guy who is more of a rotational player than all-NBA. I hope it’s not the case but Grant Hill, Penny Hardaway, Rose, Roy all come to mind as young stars who never fully recovered.
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Re: Pacers trade rumors & speculation thread 

Post#417 » by basketballwacko2 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 3:43 am

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Pacers Forever wrote:
Wizop wrote:
I think that's right. Tony East said the same thing without the detailed explanation. That means we have to drop a center (Bradley) to sign a guard. My personal opinion is that we can get by without adding another point guard but either RayJ or Q would have to go to make a two-way slot for Peter.


Actually they might not have to go if we waive Bradley. I (for some idiotic reason) was thinking 14 roster spots plus 3 two way players recently instead of the correct 15 roster players.

Ty
TJ
Benn
Drew
Shep
Aaron
Furphy
Walk
Obi
Pascal
Wise
Huff
Kam
14 Isiah ?
15 Bradley non guaranteed slot could become one of these four - Freeman, Quenton, Ray J, Peter or JJ, Bryant, or any cheap free agent or another cheap trade acquisition


If I haven't misread something,... then 14 would be Isaiah,... KP said something about them having another signing soon,... then confirmed later that they had an agreement & were signing I-Jax.


They could offer Jackson a QO or they could offer him a 3 yr deal at or about the same money 3yrs $3 million per with raises and not guaranteed for yr 3.
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Post#418 » by Wizop » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:06 pm

basketballwacko2 wrote:They could offer Jackson a QO or they could offer him a 3 yr deal at or about the same money 3yrs $3 million per with raises and not guaranteed for yr 3.


the qualifying offer is on the table. it was reported to be around 6mm.
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Post#419 » by JMaster5K » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:41 pm

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basketballwacko2 wrote:They could offer Jackson a QO or they could offer him a 3 yr deal at or about the same money 3yrs $3 million per with raises and not guaranteed for yr 3.


the qualifying offer is on the table. it was reported to be around 6mm.


I think they actually do both. We issue a qualifying offer,... 6.42M,.. by extending the QO, he becomes a RFA. If we don't extend a QO (at the price established by his rookie contract figures), then he becomes a UFA.

Until he signs an offer,... we can negotiate with him to agree a different contract, or he can receive an offer from another team. He could sign a different offer from us, usually longer term. He could sign an offer sheet from another team & we would have the right to match. Or, he could sign the QO, in which case, it's a 1 year contract & he becomes an UFA next summer.

Scoot,... that basically right?
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Post#420 » by Wizop » Wed Jul 9, 2025 2:17 pm

JMaster5K wrote:
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basketballwacko2 wrote:They could offer Jackson a QO or they could offer him a 3 yr deal at or about the same money 3yrs $3 million per with raises and not guaranteed for yr 3.


the qualifying offer is on the table. it was reported to be around 6mm.


I think they actually do both. We issue a qualifying offer,... 6.42M,.. by extending the QO, he becomes a RFA. If we don't extend a QO (at the price established by his rookie contract figures), then he becomes a UFA.

Until he signs an offer,... we can negotiate with him to agree a different contract, or he can receive an offer from another team. He could sign a different offer from us, usually longer term. He could sign an offer sheet from another team & we would have the right to match. Or, he could sign the QO, in which case, it's a 1 year contract & he becomes an UFA next summer.

Scoot,... that basically right?


that's basically right except we've already extended the QO and KP says we're negotiating which I assume means iJax hopes to get more than the QO. were we offering less, he'd just accept the QO. we could withdraw the QO and make him an UFA but it doesn't sound like we want to do that.
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