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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#821 » by vvoland » Tue Jul 8, 2025 5:43 pm

statsman wrote:Thousands upon thousands of words will not convinced me that Kuminga has a :censored: clue what he's doing on a basketball court. So much energy being spent on someone with no on-court vision and no ability to understand the full game. He's looking to the highlight reels, and that's it.

He can't be off the Warriors fast enough for my liking.

Have the last word. I am tired talking about this prima donna.


That's fine, trade JK. But for a player, not a rookie that won't help until Steph retires
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#822 » by wco81 » Tue Jul 8, 2025 5:44 pm

FWIW, Legler seemed puzzled that Warriors wanted to move Kuminga who shot and scored very well when he finally got some minutes in the playoffs.
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Post#823 » by EvanZ » Tue Jul 8, 2025 5:47 pm

wco81 wrote:FWIW, Legler seemed puzzled that Warriors wanted to move Kuminga who shot and scored very well when he finally got some minutes in the playoffs.


Tell Legler to watch him play with Steph.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#826 » by vvoland » Tue Jul 8, 2025 6:42 pm

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wco81 wrote:FWIW, Legler seemed puzzled that Warriors wanted to move Kuminga who shot and scored very well when he finally got some minutes in the playoffs.


Tell Legler to watch him play with Steph.


Orating of 122 and a net rating of +8 for Steph, this season, with JK. 1100 possessions.

Orating of 119.5 and a net rating of +5.1 for Steph, this season, without JK. 3600 possessions
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Post#827 » by EvanZ » Tue Jul 8, 2025 9:05 pm

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wco81 wrote:FWIW, Legler seemed puzzled that Warriors wanted to move Kuminga who shot and scored very well when he finally got some minutes in the playoffs.


Tell Legler to watch him play with Steph.


Orating of 122 and a net rating of +8 for Steph, this season, with JK. 1100 possessions.

Orating of 119.5 and a net rating of +5.1 for Steph, this season, without JK. 3600 possessions


Well, I said to watch him play, not give "net rating", which isn't going to be that useful since hardly any of it was with Jimmy, Draymond and Steph together. On a team with those 3, JK just doesn't make sense.
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Post#829 » by statsman » Tue Jul 8, 2025 9:55 pm

Take back SloMo? At $9.2M, that would be perhaps the worst return from the Jazz in a S&T of Kuminga.
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Post#830 » by vvoland » Tue Jul 8, 2025 10:03 pm

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Tell Legler to watch him play with Steph.


Orating of 122 and a net rating of +8 for Steph, this season, with JK. 1100 possessions.

Orating of 119.5 and a net rating of +5.1 for Steph, this season, without JK. 3600 possessions


Well, I said to watch him play, not give "net rating", which isn't going to be that useful since hardly any of it was with Jimmy, Draymond and Steph together. On a team with those 3, JK just doesn't make sense.


You may be right. I do think his offense is needed on this team considering how good of a defense we were able to put together and with how much time Dray, Jimmy, and Steph are likely to miss due to maintenance, we'll need him to start 30 or so games next season.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#831 » by Onus » Tue Jul 8, 2025 10:37 pm

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Orating of 122 and a net rating of +8 for Steph, this season, with JK. 1100 possessions.

Orating of 119.5 and a net rating of +5.1 for Steph, this season, without JK. 3600 possessions


Well, I said to watch him play, not give "net rating", which isn't going to be that useful since hardly any of it was with Jimmy, Draymond and Steph together. On a team with those 3, JK just doesn't make sense.


You may be right. I do think his offense is needed on this team considering how good of a defense we were able to put together and with how much time Dray, Jimmy, and Steph are likely to miss due to maintenance, we'll need him to start 30 or so games next season.

Was the defense good? We got crushed on defense once Steph went out.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#832 » by vvoland » Tue Jul 8, 2025 10:41 pm

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Well, I said to watch him play, not give "net rating", which isn't going to be that useful since hardly any of it was with Jimmy, Draymond and Steph together. On a team with those 3, JK just doesn't make sense.


You may be right. I do think his offense is needed on this team considering how good of a defense we were able to put together and with how much time Dray, Jimmy, and Steph are likely to miss due to maintenance, we'll need him to start 30 or so games next season.

Was the defense good? We got crushed on defense once Steph went out.


I think the defense was outstanding. Like title-winning good. Once Jimmy and Steph got hurt, the offense was sooo bad, the defense suffered. Not just because Dray isn't the same defender once he knows it's over. I think any team would find it much easier to score when they can relax on defense, not worry about giving up large scoring runs, and basically play pressure-free on offense. It's also much harder to muster up the required chutzpah to play hard nosed defense for 48 minutes when, deep down inside, you know you can't score enough.

It's like the opposite effect when everyone is healthy - the opposing offense often finds itself competing with Steph, at which point, they've already lost.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#833 » by Onus » Tue Jul 8, 2025 10:49 pm

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You may be right. I do think his offense is needed on this team considering how good of a defense we were able to put together and with how much time Dray, Jimmy, and Steph are likely to miss due to maintenance, we'll need him to start 30 or so games next season.

Was the defense good? We got crushed on defense once Steph went out.


I think the defense was outstanding. Like title-winning good. Once Jimmy and Steph got hurt, the offense was sooo bad, the defense suffered. Not just because Dray isn't the same defender once he knows it's over. I think any team would find it much easier to score when they can relax on defense, not worry about giving up large scoring runs, and basically play pressure-free on offense. It's also much harder to muster up the required chutzpah to play hard nosed defense for 48 minutes when, deep down inside, you know you can't score enough.

It's like the opposite effect when everyone is healthy - the opposing offense often finds itself competing with Steph, at which point, they've already lost.

Sure the offense and defense are connected but there were still issues on defense. We couldn’t guard both ant and Randle when they were on the court. Yea we’d still win some games if Steph was on the court but there were still issues defensively.

If Steph goes down we’re done regardless but as long as he’s healthy we’ll have a chance offensively.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#834 » by vvoland » Tue Jul 8, 2025 11:01 pm

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Onus wrote:Was the defense good? We got crushed on defense once Steph went out.


I think the defense was outstanding. Like title-winning good. Once Jimmy and Steph got hurt, the offense was sooo bad, the defense suffered. Not just because Dray isn't the same defender once he knows it's over. I think any team would find it much easier to score when they can relax on defense, not worry about giving up large scoring runs, and basically play pressure-free on offense. It's also much harder to muster up the required chutzpah to play hard nosed defense for 48 minutes when, deep down inside, you know you can't score enough.

It's like the opposite effect when everyone is healthy - the opposing offense often finds itself competing with Steph, at which point, they've already lost.

Sure the offense and defense are connected but there were still issues on defense. We couldn’t guard both ant and Randle when they were on the court. Yea we’d still win some games if Steph was on the court but there were still issues defensively.

If Steph goes down we’re done regardless but as long as he’s healthy we’ll have a chance offensively.


I don't think we had a perfect defense and the wrong matchups would hurt us. But to be fair, those are two tough covers. That said, the defense was our best unit, I thought, until the injuries hit.

Could/should we improve it, this summer? Yes. Horford and Melton, if they come, would give us a lot of what we lack. If we keep JK and play him on-ball against the ants and randles of the NBA, it'll be another plus.

The scoring issues, to my mind, were more pervasive, particularly in the 4th quarters of close games, even with Steph.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#836 » by whatisacenter » Wed Jul 9, 2025 2:19 am

If I’m JK I would tell GS that I am playing on the QO and hope the Warriors rescind the offer. If they don’t, take out an insurance policy and bet on himself in FA next offseason.
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#837 » by Twinkie defense » Wed Jul 9, 2025 4:01 am

He's not gonna play for $7.9 mil. He'd be better off signing for 2-3 years with the Warriors and getting traded mid-season.
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Post#838 » by EvanZ » Wed Jul 9, 2025 12:59 pm

What do people think we will get back in a trade for Kuminga if we sign him to $20M/year (which is where this is headed).
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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#839 » by AirP. » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:11 pm

Kind of a clickbait title. It starts out pro Kuminga but the conversation evolves into what may be the issues without talking bad about Kuminga. I like the situation Kenyon brings up about Melo and a young, eager THJ.

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Re: Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga 

Post#840 » by AirP. » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:26 pm

EvanZ wrote:What do people think we will get back in a trade for Kuminga if we sign him to $20M/year (which is where this is headed).


The interesting thought is, the more GS pays Kuminga, the more they can get in return for him in a trade this year, it benefits both parties to pay Kuminga. If Kuminga is wanting to bet on himself, he'll just sign a short-term contract to make sure he gets paid in case of an injury.

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