WeekapaugGroove wrote:I just hope they are upfront that stretching Beal is about getting out of the repeater lux tax and saving $100mil+ in cash.
Flex and Gerald B (PHNX_SUNS) are already sending the message that the waive and stretch is about the repeater lux tax, not having the 2032 get to the bottom of the first round and lastly, the ability to combine salaries. All are true reasons to get out from apron levels. But unless mistaken, I think they could have cleared one apron, the second apron and had access to being able to combine players. Its just that there still would have been the huge lux tax payment
Yeah simple way to look at it was:
Getting under the 2nd apron was a true need (pick penalty, trade restrictions, ect). This could have been done multiple ways.
Getting under the tax is a pure money play. I get it, no matter how rich you are if you can save over $100 mil in real cash with a simple procedure you seriously consider it.
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Free agent F Isaiah Livers will sign a two-way NBA contract with the Phoenix Suns, Andy Shiffman and Mark Bartelstein of @PrioritySports tell ESPN. Livers missed all of last season due to hip surgery but has made a full recovery and now restarts career for his fourth NBA season.
Another Bartlestein client unless there is another agent with the last name Bartlestein that isn't related to Josh B.
Yet ANOTHER 6-6 230 pound I'm not sure if you're a guard, small forward, or power forward ambiguous random basketball player.
WeekapaugGroove wrote:I just hope they are upfront that stretching Beal is about getting out of the repeater lux tax and saving $100mil+ in cash.
Flex and Gerald B (PHNX_SUNS) are already sending the message that the waive and stretch is about the repeater lux tax, not having the 2032 get to the bottom of the first round and lastly, the ability to combine salaries. All are true reasons to get out from apron levels. But unless mistaken, I think they could have cleared one apron, the second apron and had access to being able to combine players. Its just that there still would have been the huge lux tax payment
Yeah simple way to look at it was:
Getting under the 2nd apron was a true need (pick penalty, trade restrictions, ect). This could have been done multiple ways.
Getting under the tax is a pure money play. I get it, no matter how rich you are if you can save over $100 mil in real cash with a simple procedure you seriously consider it.
For real, Week. I've long preferred Mat save his GD money for a sunny day. Money you make today is money you spend tomorrow. I was dismayed by how many fans were pleased by Ishbia's financial recklessness, which was kind of like cheering on a friend who'd just refinanced his house to put a jacuzzi on the roof. God bless whomever convinced our own Mr. Toad to settle down.
BobbieL wrote: Flex and Gerald B (PHNX_SUNS) are already sending the message that the waive and stretch is about the repeater lux tax, not having the 2032 get to the bottom of the first round and lastly, the ability to combine salaries. All are true reasons to get out from apron levels. But unless mistaken, I think they could have cleared one apron, the second apron and had access to being able to combine players. Its just that there still would have been the huge lux tax payment
Yeah simple way to look at it was:
Getting under the 2nd apron was a true need (pick penalty, trade restrictions, ect). This could have been done multiple ways.
Getting under the tax is a pure money play. I get it, no matter how rich you are if you can save over $100 mil in real cash with a simple procedure you seriously consider it.
For real, Week. I've long preferred Mat save his GD money for a sunny day. Money you make today is money you spend tomorrow. I was dismayed by how many fans were pleased by Ishbia's financial recklessness, which was kind of like cheering on a friend who'd just refinanced his house to put a jacuzzi on the roof. God bless whomever convinced our own Mr. Toad to settle down.
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Under the old CBA -- -it was fine to have the big lux tax as you still could combine players, have access to the TPMLE, etc. But the new CBA was very prohibitive and not even money can buy your way out of it. And when he traded for Beal - if the player had been a PG like Dame - at least it would have fit. Beal never fit with Book and Durant. He learned a lesson - ego took a hit as well as the pocket book
Looks like we're about to get another go of "Point Book" and that's going to end up in the same place as last time. We need a POINT GUARD, not a shooting guard with questionable ballhandling skills and/or decision making playing out of position.
What do these GM's do all day besides run around with their heads up their asses?
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BobbieL wrote: Flex and Gerald B (PHNX_SUNS) are already sending the message that the waive and stretch is about the repeater lux tax, not having the 2032 get to the bottom of the first round and lastly, the ability to combine salaries. All are true reasons to get out from apron levels. But unless mistaken, I think they could have cleared one apron, the second apron and had access to being able to combine players. Its just that there still would have been the huge lux tax payment
Yeah simple way to look at it was:
Getting under the 2nd apron was a true need (pick penalty, trade restrictions, ect). This could have been done multiple ways.
Getting under the tax is a pure money play. I get it, no matter how rich you are if you can save over $100 mil in real cash with a simple procedure you seriously consider it.
For real, Week. I've long preferred Mat save his GD money for a sunny day. Money you make today is money you spend tomorrow. I was dismayed by how many fans were pleased by Ishbia's financial recklessness, which was kind of like cheering on a friend who'd just refinanced his house to put a jacuzzi on the roof. God bless whomever convinced our own Mr. Toad to settle down.
I think most were pleased he was willing to spend but most weren’t happy with how he was spending and how he was abusing his assets. So I think it wasn’t as simple as people being pleased with his reckless spending. It was more he was willing to spend which the previous guy wasn’t.
I am such a lucky NBA fan. 8647 My favorite team went from the most greedy and racist owner to the most ego driven dumbass owner in all of sports fdt.
Only a fan of Arizona teams! Cardinals Dbacks Suns
People against the Beal stretch buyout have to ask themselves: Are you comfortable being a luxury-tax 2nd apron team with one of the highest salaries in the league but nowhere close to being championship caliber or playoff caliber material? In other words, are you happy having a 2nd apron team with restrictions and inability for wiggle room for the next 2 years all while trying to rebuild or soft-reset?
Silly to be a high luxury tax team if u can't even make the playoffs and don't even have "luxury" players. It's embarrassing being a sub-par team over the 2nd apron with so many restrictions and inability to aggregate salaries in trade for a team trying hard to rebuild NOW for Booker, not in 2 years.
This is like that 27 year old dude that just bought a BMW M3 and living in an apartment with his parents cause he's got no more money left.
The waive and stretch is your get out of jail card now. Five years of 19 million cap hit isn't much considering the Cap increases 10% each year. You can still sign a significant free agent next season to play with Booker if u clear the deck correctly.
EDIT: Edited to add some things including the BMW analogy
So the choice is 5 years of purgatory or 2 years of pain. Stretch and waive creates nearly a half decade of guaranteed no chances to compete (compete for a trophy). Two year buy out opens doors after two years. I prefer the lesser.
I am such a lucky NBA fan. 8647 My favorite team went from the most greedy and racist owner to the most ego driven dumbass owner in all of sports fdt.
Only a fan of Arizona teams! Cardinals Dbacks Suns
PhxLax wrote:People against the Beal stretch buyout have to ask themselves: Are you comfortable being a luxury-tax 2nd apron team with one of the highest salaries in the league but nowhere close to being championship caliber or playoff caliber material? In other words, are you happy having a 2nd apron team with restrictions and inability for wiggle room for the next 2 years all while trying to rebuild or soft-reset?
Cause you have no right being a high luxury tax bill if u can't even make the playoffs and don't even have "luxury" players.
The waive and stretch is your get out of jail card. Or else you're in jail for 2 more years.
Don't bother trying to convince the usual suspects. They want a cancer like Beal on this team and pay 230M in luxury tax with no flexibility.
Then they want to keep talking about 2027 FA when realistically anyone worth a damn will either have resigned or traded for a massive haul.
WeekapaugGroove wrote:I just hope they are upfront that stretching Beal is about getting out of the repeater lux tax and saving $100mil+ in cash.
Flex and Gerald B (PHNX_SUNS) are already sending the message that the waive and stretch is about the repeater lux tax, not having the 2032 get to the bottom of the first round and lastly, the ability to combine salaries. All are true reasons to get out from apron levels. But unless mistaken, I think they could have cleared one apron, the second apron and had access to being able to combine players. Its just that there still would have been the huge lux tax payment
Yeah simple way to look at it was:
Getting under the 2nd apron was a true need (pick penalty, trade restrictions, ect). This could have been done multiple ways.
Getting under the tax is a pure money play. I get it, no matter how rich you are if you can save over $100 mil in real cash with a simple procedure you seriously consider it.
That 100M luxury tax is circulated amongst teams through the NBA anyway.
It's all a show, all teams are technically limbs of the NBA body.
PhxLax wrote:People against the Beal stretch buyout have to ask themselves: Are you comfortable being a luxury-tax 2nd apron team with one of the highest salaries in the league but nowhere close to being championship caliber or playoff caliber material? In other words, are you happy having a 2nd apron team with restrictions and inability for wiggle room for the next 2 years all while trying to rebuild or soft-reset?
Cause you have no right being a high luxury tax bill if u can't even make the playoffs and don't even have "luxury" players.
The waive and stretch is your get out of jail card. Or else you're in jail for 2 more years.
Don't bother trying to convince the usual suspects. They want a cancer like Beal on this team and pay 230M in luxury tax with no flexibility.
Then they want to keep talking about 2027 FA when realistically anyone worth a damn will either have resigned or traded for a massive haul.
Explain how Beal is cancer.
Only one player on the team that has had 5 coaches in less than 10 years... in one team.
PhxLax wrote:People against the Beal stretch buyout have to ask themselves: Are you comfortable being a luxury-tax 2nd apron team with one of the highest salaries in the league but nowhere close to being championship caliber or playoff caliber material? In other words, are you happy having a 2nd apron team with restrictions and inability for wiggle room for the next 2 years all while trying to rebuild or soft-reset?
Cause you have no right being a high luxury tax bill if u can't even make the playoffs and don't even have "luxury" players.
The waive and stretch is your get out of jail card. Or else you're in jail for 2 more years.
The Suns aren't close to a championship team - there is not ONE player they can sign with the TPMLE or even the MLE that would make them a playoff team. Not one. So the people that don't want to w/s is because of using the next two years to level set, let the young players grow and possibly have some cap flexibility in 2027. So its just about being in jail two years - when they really aren't going to compete instead of five years.
Activity doesn't equal accomplishment and using the TPMLE is just activity. 25 wins or 35 wins -- whats the difference - neither makes the playoffs
PhxLax wrote:People against the Beal stretch buyout have to ask themselves: Are you comfortable being a luxury-tax 2nd apron team with one of the highest salaries in the league but nowhere close to being championship caliber or playoff caliber material? In other words, are you happy having a 2nd apron team with restrictions and inability for wiggle room for the next 2 years all while trying to rebuild or soft-reset?
Cause you have no right being a high luxury tax bill if u can't even make the playoffs and don't even have "luxury" players.
The waive and stretch is your get out of jail card. Or else you're in jail for 2 more years.
The Suns aren't close to a championship team - there is not ONE player they can sign with the TPMLE or even the MLE that would make them a playoff team. Not one. So the people that don't want to w/s is because of using the next two years to level set, let the young players grow and possibly have some cap flexibility in 2027. So its just about being in jail two years - when they really aren't going to compete instead of five years.
Activity doesn't equal accomplishment and using the TPMLE is just activity. 25 wins or 35 wins -- whats the difference - neither makes the playoffs
Suns might not use the TPMLE but you never know thus you put yourselves in the best position you can given the circumstances.
Another Bartlestein client unless there is another agent with the last name Bartlestein that isn't related to Josh B.
Yet ANOTHER 6-6 230 pound I'm not sure if you're a guard, small forward, or power forward ambiguous random basketball player.
Isaiah Livers is a "veteran" that has already spent several seasons in the league. He is healthy after a procedure and rehabbing for a long time.
He is a 6'6/6'7 two-way SF with a 6'9 wingspan.
It's good to have different profiles as a two-way contracts. Brea (rookie SG shooter) and Huntley (rookie stretch PF) and now Livers (veteran all-around SF).
BobbieL wrote: Flex and Gerald B (PHNX_SUNS) are already sending the message that the waive and stretch is about the repeater lux tax, not having the 2032 get to the bottom of the first round and lastly, the ability to combine salaries. All are true reasons to get out from apron levels. But unless mistaken, I think they could have cleared one apron, the second apron and had access to being able to combine players. Its just that there still would have been the huge lux tax payment
Yeah simple way to look at it was:
Getting under the 2nd apron was a true need (pick penalty, trade restrictions, ect). This could have been done multiple ways.
Getting under the tax is a pure money play. I get it, no matter how rich you are if you can save over $100 mil in real cash with a simple procedure you seriously consider it.
That 100M luxury tax is circulated amongst teams through the NBA anyway.
It's all a show, all teams are technically limbs of the NBA body.
Tax payments are distributed to non tax paying teams only.
To be clear I don't personally give a **** about Mats money. Just pointing out this real cash aspect is a driving factor.
Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside in a cloud of smoke, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming Wow! What a Ride!-H.S.T.
PhxLax wrote:People against the Beal stretch buyout have to ask themselves: Are you comfortable being a luxury-tax 2nd apron team with one of the highest salaries in the league but nowhere close to being championship caliber or playoff caliber material? In other words, are you happy having a 2nd apron team with restrictions and inability for wiggle room for the next 2 years all while trying to rebuild or soft-reset?
Cause you have no right being a high luxury tax bill if u can't even make the playoffs and don't even have "luxury" players.
The waive and stretch is your get out of jail card. Or else you're in jail for 2 more years.
The Suns aren't close to a championship team - there is not ONE player they can sign with the TPMLE or even the MLE that would make them a playoff team. Not one. So the people that don't want to w/s is because of using the next two years to level set, let the young players grow and possibly have some cap flexibility in 2027. So its just about being in jail two years - when they really aren't going to compete instead of five years.
Activity doesn't equal accomplishment and using the TPMLE is just activity. 25 wins or 35 wins -- whats the difference - neither makes the playoffs
People celebrating the TPMLE and MLE for a non-competitive team for the next five years is wild.
I am such a lucky NBA fan. 8647 My favorite team went from the most greedy and racist owner to the most ego driven dumbass owner in all of sports fdt.
Only a fan of Arizona teams! Cardinals Dbacks Suns
SkyBill40 wrote:Looks like we're about to get another go of "Point Book" and that's going to end up in the same place as last time. We need a POINT GUARD, not a shooting guard with questionable ballhandling skills and/or decision making playing out of position.
What do these GM's do all day besides run around with their heads up their asses?
PhxLax wrote:People against the Beal stretch buyout have to ask themselves: Are you comfortable being a luxury-tax 2nd apron team with one of the highest salaries in the league but nowhere close to being championship caliber or playoff caliber material? In other words, are you happy having a 2nd apron team with restrictions and inability for wiggle room for the next 2 years all while trying to rebuild or soft-reset?
Cause you have no right being a high luxury tax bill if u can't even make the playoffs and don't even have "luxury" players.
The waive and stretch is your get out of jail card. Or else you're in jail for 2 more years.
The Suns aren't close to a championship team - there is not ONE player they can sign with the TPMLE or even the MLE that would make them a playoff team. Not one. So the people that don't want to w/s is because of using the next two years to level set, let the young players grow and possibly have some cap flexibility in 2027. So its just about being in jail two years - when they really aren't going to compete instead of five years.
Activity doesn't equal accomplishment and using the TPMLE is just activity. 25 wins or 35 wins -- whats the difference - neither makes the playoffs
I will bet you $100 Suns make the playoffs next season (Play-In at like 9 or 10)
I think the Point Book arguments are overblown. This past season he averaged 7.1 assists, good for top 10 in assist per game in the league (tied actually with Lillard). Book's turnover % was at 11.9, better than Trae Young (17.9%), Jokic (12.8%), Cade (16%), Harden (18%), Lebron (15.5%), CP3 (17.1%), and Giddey (18.4%). The only guys who had a better turnover % who were also in the top 10 for assists per game was Brunson and Haliburton.
**edit** basketball-reference did not include players who missed over 30 games or something like that, so it didn't include Luka (7.7 assists), Ball (7.4 assists), and Dejounte Murray (7.3 assists) who all averaged more assists per game than Book.
The Suns don't need Booker to be the ultimate playmaker; the Suns just need a better offensive system. The Suns were mostly a jumpshooting team. Taking the least number of shots at the rim in the entire NBA and taking the most number of shots in the midrange. We all know the midrange shot is probably the most inefficient shot, yet the Suns were taking the most number of shots here, mostly because of Booker and KD. Considering Book/KD are the most elite shooters in this range, it makes sense, but the Suns need to have more variation in their style of play. This is why a Jalen Green pairing with Booker makes some sense, since Green likes to attack the basket.
I think the Suns can utilize this type of offense to allow a better offensive flow for Booker and Green. Suns offense looked too stagnant, similarly the Rockets did a lot of standing around as well.
The next three videos just show the Rockets offense, and how Green was having issues in the playoffs. I think Green did not adjust well to the Warriors scouting him fairly well, but I also don't think the Rockets did enough to put Green into a better position after game 2. For one, they sometimes run a strange lineup where the Rockets try to exploit the Warriors lack of size by putting in Sengun and Adams, but then also have Amen Thompson in. So, Rockets have 3 non-shooters in the game with Jalen Green, so the Warriors know to clog the paint on any Green drive.
