Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread

[fallguy]

Please stop posting ChatGPT content.

[Celts17Pride]

Phoenix Suns have Mark Williams, Nick Richards, Khaman Maluach as their centers. Might be worth a phone call to see what it would take to pry Oso Ighodaro away from the Suns.

[keevsnick1]

My prediction?

This is pretty much what the roster will look like on opening night.

Except we're gonna get under 2nd apron. We're just barely over, so all we gotta do is trade/waive either Tillman/Walsh/JD. If it's Tillman, then we'd have to get another big. So then we'd still have to end up dumping either Walsh/JD to get back under 2nd apron and get back down to 14 players on the standard roster.

So do we keep Tillman or no? I'd say it's a 50/50. We might keep him. But at the same time, he's not some young kid with upside we're developing. And he was pretty much useless last season on the court. So it's almost like a wasted roster spot..so I could see them dumping him and picking up another big who has upside and/or is more likely to provide some on court value.

As for who gets dumped between JD and Walsh, it could go either way I think. Walsh has shown more and played more during non-garbage time mins. However, JD plays a position/role we have a greater need for. Like we if lose JD, we might need to acquire another PG/ball handler to make up for that loss. But if Walsh is dumped? We lose nothing. We have plenty of other wings.

We probably won't know for sure which of these 3 is staying/going till after summer league. If Walsh does really well at SL, he's probably staying (or he has raised his trade value enough that we could get some value in return for him) but if he struggles, I figure he could get dumped via trade or get waived right after SL ends.

I'd be very surprised if they waved anybody just to get under the 2nd apron before opening night, there's literally no reason to do so. They can get under the 2nd apron at any point this season by waiving one of those guys, and being over the 2nd apron to START the season comes with no real penalty. It matters where they finish, not start. But besides that with Tatum out at least most the year if not all I doubt they'd want to start the year with only 13 healthy players on roster. Especially not if they plan on giving ample rest to the vets as part of a soft tank.

I do wonder what the plan is at center. They have a grand total of TWO guys who are healthy and over 6'8. Queta and Garza played a grand total of about 1100 minutes last year, those are their only two real centers. If queta misses any time, at all, it gets real dark. Last year they carried 4. Tillman and Minott can both probably play some small ball 4 and I'm sure they'll do a fair amount of that, but I'd think they would have at least one more actual "big" man on roster. Amari Williams may factor in, but as a 2-way he's limited to 50 games.

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My prediction?

This is pretty much what the roster will look like on opening night.

Except we're gonna get under 2nd apron. We're just barely over, so all we gotta do is trade/waive either Tillman/Walsh/JD. If it's Tillman, then we'd have to get another big. So then we'd still have to end up dumping either Walsh/JD to get back under 2nd apron and get back down to 14 players on the standard roster.

So do we keep Tillman or no? I'd say it's a 50/50. We might keep him. But at the same time, he's not some young kid with upside we're developing. And he was pretty much useless last season on the court. So it's almost like a wasted roster spot..so I could see them dumping him and picking up another big who has upside and/or is more likely to provide some on court value.

As for who gets dumped between JD and Walsh, it could go either way I think. Walsh has shown more and played more during non-garbage time mins. However, JD plays a position/role we have a greater need for. Like we if lose JD, we might need to acquire another PG/ball handler to make up for that loss. But if Walsh is dumped? We lose nothing. We have plenty of other wings.

We probably won't know for sure which of these 3 is staying/going till after summer league. If Walsh does really well at SL, he's probably staying (or he has raised his trade value enough that we could get some value in return for him) but if he struggles, I figure he could get dumped via trade or get waived right after SL ends.

I'd be very surprised if they waved anybody just to get under the 2nd apron before opening night, there's literally no reason to do so. They can get under the 2nd apron at any point this season by waiving one of those guys, and being over the 2nd apron to START the season comes with no real penalty. It matters where they finish, not start. But besides that with Tatum out at least most the year if not all I doubt they'd want to start the year with only 13 healthy players on roster. Especially not if they plan on giving ample rest to the vets as part of a soft tank.

That's true. I suppose it's possible that the roster as it stands now is what we'll go with on opening night.

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Phoenix Suns have Mark Williams, Nick Richards, Khaman Maluach as their centers. Might be worth a phone call to see what it would take to pry Oso Ighodaro away from the Suns.

We don't have an open roster spot for him, though.

We'd have to trade someone for Oso...but who?

Suns are pretty thin at PG. I suppose a JD for Oso swap could possibly make sense. But then we'd be left with 5 centers and only like 2 guys who can play PG..1 of whom will likely be load managed a bit this season (white).

And we'd probably have to also give up additional assets to bridge the gap since Oso is probably seen league wide as having more trade value than JD.

Doesn't seem worth it. Especially when we just drafted a guy who is pretty similar to Oso (but with much better rebounding) in Amari Williams.

[redslastlaugh]

I'd be willing to take on a little money next year to drop under the 2nd apron and clean up the roster a little bit. Memphis has been trying to get off John Konchar who is $6.1 million this year and another $6.1 next.

Memphis owns swap rights on our 2026 2nd round pick. If they are paying the tax this season, I'd be happy to trade Georges Niang ($8.2) and Xavier Tillman ($2.5) for John Konchar and our 2026 2nd round pick rights back. This moves us off Tillman and puts us under the tax and at 14 roster count, though we have Konchar's money going forward.

I also like it because it opens minutes for Minott, Hugo, Jordan Walsh, Scheierman because I think Joe will have a hard time not playing Niang and I want a clear runway for development minutes across the 3-4-5 spots.

My prediction?

This is pretty much what the roster will look like on opening night.

Except we're gonna get under 2nd apron. We're just barely over, so all we gotta do is trade/waive either Tillman/Walsh/JD. If it's Tillman, then we'd have to get another big. So then we'd still have to end up dumping either Walsh/JD to get back under 2nd apron and get back down to 14 players on the standard roster.

[keevsnick1]

Phoenix Suns have Mark Williams, Nick Richards, Khaman Maluach as their centers. Might be worth a phone call to see what it would take to pry Oso Ighodaro away from the Suns.

We don't have an open roster spot for him, though.

We'd have to trade someone for Oso...but who?

Suns are pretty thin at PG. I suppose a JD for Oso swap could possibly make sense. But then we'd be left with 5 centers and only like 2 guys who can play PG..1 of whom will likely be load managed a bit this season (white).

And we'd probably have to also give up additional assets to bridge the gap since Oso is probably seen league wide as having more trade value than JD.

Doesn't seem worth it. Especially when we just drafted a guy who is pretty similar to Oso (but with much better rebounding) in Amari Williams.

Phoenix is a tough trade partner. I'd be interested in Nick Richards, a Niang for Richards swap might make some sense, but Niang would probably have to go to a third team since I don't think the suns can add money given where they are apron wise.

[keevsnick1]

I'd take the under for the Celtics as well, but I don't think they are going to be as bad as some fans seem to think. High 30's seems most probably to me. Maybe even touching .500.

[djFan71]

I'd be willing to take on a little money next year to drop under the 2nd apron and clean up the roster a little bit. Memphis has been trying to get off John Konchar who is $6.1 million this year and another $6.1 next.

Memphis owns swap rights on our 2026 2nd round pick. If they are paying the tax this season, I'd be happy to trade Georges Niang ($8.2) and Xavier Tillman ($2.5) for John Konchar and our 2026 2nd round pick rights back. This moves us off Tillman and puts us under the tax and at 14 roster count, though we have Konchar's money going forward.

I also like it because it opens minutes for Minott, Hugo, Jordan Walsh, Scheierman because I think Joe will have a hard time not playing Niang and I want a clear runway for development minutes across the 3-4-5 spots.

My prediction?

This is pretty much what the roster will look like on opening night.

Except we're gonna get under 2nd apron. We're just barely over, so all we gotta do is trade/waive either Tillman/Walsh/JD. If it's Tillman, then we'd have to get another big. So then we'd still have to end up dumping either Walsh/JD to get back under 2nd apron and get back down to 14 players on the standard roster.

I assume you meant puts us fully under the 2nd apron, but not the tax in the 2nd paragraph. But, yep, I'd do that. Leaves us a little room and roster spot to add a Lillard or different vet min as well. Is MEM targeting next summer cap or something?

[Gant]

Noa Dalzell:

The Celtics did not extend a qualifying offer to Drew Peterson, so he is currently an unrestricted free agent. Seems more likely at this point he’s not on the Celtics next year.

[bucknersrevenge]

My prediction?

This is pretty much what the roster will look like on opening night.

Except we're gonna get under 2nd apron. We're just barely over, so all we gotta do is trade/waive either Tillman/Walsh/JD. If it's Tillman, then we'd have to get another big. So then we'd still have to end up dumping either Walsh/JD to get back under 2nd apron and get back down to 14 players on the standard roster.

So do we keep Tillman or no? I'd say it's a 50/50. We might keep him. But at the same time, he's not some young kid with upside we're developing. And he was pretty much useless last season on the court. So it's almost like a wasted roster spot..so I could see them dumping him and picking up another big who has upside and/or is more likely to provide some on court value.

As for who gets dumped between JD and Walsh, it could go either way I think. Walsh has shown more and played more during non-garbage time mins. However, JD plays a position/role we have a greater need for. Like we if lose JD, we might need to acquire another PG/ball handler to make up for that loss. But if Walsh is dumped? We lose nothing. We have plenty of other wings.

We probably won't know for sure which of these 3 is staying/going till after summer league. If Walsh does really well at SL, he's probably staying (or he has raised his trade value enough that we could get some value in return for him) but if he struggles, I figure he could get dumped via trade or get waived right after SL ends.

What I got out of the press conference is he's done the hard work to get under the 2nd apron (technically not, but...), so he's fine if this is the roster. But, if an opportunity arises to improve the team using Simons or Niang, he'll do it. He likes them but isn't married to them. Which, is fairly obvious. The big thing is he is NOT going to spend assets to dump Simons just to duck the tax. That was pretty clear, he wants to hold on to his picks for moves to actually improve the team later.

Now, if some team makes an offer for Simons that Brad likes and also gets us under the tax without costing us assets and maybe even returning something, he'll definitely jump on it. Or, if he can use a pick and Simons to pick up a player he really likes going forward (ie, for several years), then he'll do that and not worry about the tax.

That's kinda been my feel all along - so maybe I put my bias on what he said. But, it makes sense to me. I've made proposals to duck the tax, but they don't involve us sending picks. Or if they do, they bring back a guy like PJ or Gafford or WCJ or Black. Guys either already signed for $15-20M or less for a few years, or that you think you could resign in that range. If you get someone like that, you pay the tax and don't worry about it. Just stay under the 2nd apron.

Simons as THAT guy is tough. He's on the low end of that for me, and he's not signed, and would have to take a significant cut to be resigned in that range. I can squint and see the potential where he's worth paying the tax for and resigning cheaper. But, he really has to step up to make that the case.

That Brad confirmed that they aren't worried about getting under the luxury tax as long as they are under the 2nd apron, clarified a few things for me. Been pretty adamant that they couldn't afford Simons on this year's roster if getting under the tax was a goal but now they can. And this gives them a couple of options with Simons:

-they can keep him all year and then simply let him walk after the season to get under tax

-they can aggregate him in a trade later in the year for let's say a big

I actually think Niang somehow survives all this and ends up staying here somehow.

I still think if JB gets even a hangnail he should sit out 10 games minimum just because I want more swing minutes for Hugo, Minott, and Baylor. But I feel like I understand more after this press conference.

[Riverwalk2021]

The front court is absolute ass but if Brad gets rid of terrorists Walsh and Tillman, I can live with this roster.

[brackdan70]

I'd be willing to take on a little money next year to drop under the 2nd apron and clean up the roster a little bit. Memphis has been trying to get off John Konchar who is $6.1 million this year and another $6.1 next.

Memphis owns swap rights on our 2026 2nd round pick. If they are paying the tax this season, I'd be happy to trade Georges Niang ($8.2) and Xavier Tillman ($2.5) for John Konchar and our 2026 2nd round pick rights back. This moves us off Tillman and puts us under the tax and at 14 roster count, though we have Konchar's money going forward.

I also like it because it opens minutes for Minott, Hugo, Jordan Walsh, Scheierman because I think Joe will have a hard time not playing Niang and I want a clear runway for development minutes across the 3-4-5 spots.

My prediction?

This is pretty much what the roster will look like on opening night.

Except we're gonna get under 2nd apron. We're just barely over, so all we gotta do is trade/waive either Tillman/Walsh/JD. If it's Tillman, then we'd have to get another big. So then we'd still have to end up dumping either Walsh/JD to get back under 2nd apron and get back down to 14 players on the standard roster.

Love this idea, Also fine if it’s just Niang. That gets us under the 2nd Apron with some room.

[Boss66]

Please stop posting ChatGPT content.

Was going to post the same - who cares about what ChatGPT says. PLEASE!!!!

[brackdan70]

The front court is absolute ass but if Brad gets rid of terrorists Walsh and Tillman, I can live with this roster.

Spectacular hyperbole!!!

[jfs1000d]

They have a $22M TPE for zinger, they have Simons $27m expiring. Maybe they send that into a TPE.

They have to Niang expiring at $8.5. They can take Simons, Niang, and Hauser and trade that for a $46M player.

Think about that, add in PP and White and literally we can trade for anyone in the nba.

Hauser, Simons, Nuanf works for Giannis. Need more neutral salary? Throw in White instead of Hauser.

This is setting us up nicely for 2026.


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Lmao what kind of moron would trade Giannis for that

You can't combine exceptions.

You can combine salaries. Simons, Niang are not exceptions. That is $38M. Add in Hasuer and they is $49M.

Then get another player at $22m.

For example, theoretically Hauser, Simons, Niang, for Giannis matches (would they do it, no. Need white and draft picks).

Then, to trade for a center like gafford who is making $22M or less.

These aren't trades I am advocating for. Just saying what is possible.


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[Fierce1]

Does this mean Simons will get to play for the Celtics?

[darrendaye]

I'd be willing to take on a little money next year to drop under the 2nd apron and clean up the roster a little bit. Memphis has been trying to get off John Konchar who is $6.1 million this year and another $6.1 next.

Memphis owns swap rights on our 2026 2nd round pick. If they are paying the tax this season, I'd be happy to trade Georges Niang ($8.2) and Xavier Tillman ($2.5) for John Konchar and our 2026 2nd round pick rights back. This moves us off Tillman and puts us under the tax and at 14 roster count, though we have Konchar's money going forward.

I also like it because it opens minutes for Minott, Hugo, Jordan Walsh, Scheierman because I think Joe will have a hard time not playing Niang and I want a clear runway for development minutes across the 3-4-5 spots.

My prediction?

This is pretty much what the roster will look like on opening night.

Except we're gonna get under 2nd apron. We're just barely over, so all we gotta do is trade/waive either Tillman/Walsh/JD. If it's Tillman, then we'd have to get another big. So then we'd still have to end up dumping either Walsh/JD to get back under 2nd apron and get back down to 14 players on the standard roster.

I'm still wanting a Simons + Tillman for Vucevic deal. Absent that occurring, I don't see a great symmetrical trade out there for Simons. So turning attention to Niang, I agree with you in theory (taking back 2 year contract), Konchar's fit is a tough pill. I'm going on record as being perfectly fine keeping Niang. If it's allowed under current CBA for min salary guys, I'd just stretch Tillman, or buy him out if he's willing to eat 400k. But I noticed GS has an 8.7mm trade exception. Now clearly they want to get Al's decision first. Clearing 8mm off the C's book now is counterproductive. But if Al goes there (or not), I do wonder their interest in Niang.

[165bows]

If the FO is happy to pay it just keep both guys for the first half they are better than whatever else they’d bring back.