Who is having the worst off-season so far

[LightTheBeam]

Top 5
Pelicans. Traded for Poole, gave up a future 1st to move up 10 spots.

Kings - It's not really Perrys fault. There are no takers for LaVine/DeRozan. The owner/Sabonis forced him to sign a pg, leading to Schroder who was probably the best available but doesn't really change anything. Hopefully the start to a tank. Draft was okay, but that's about it.

Bulls - I like the draft pick. But they have so much expiring money. Not sure what the plan is. Talks about giving Giddey 30 a year which would be a disaster.

Pistons - Didn't like losing the shooters. Overpaid to get Robinson. LeVert wasn't a guy I had as a target to replace Beasley.

Warriors - Have done nothing. Kuminga situation sucks, and they are going to end up resigning a guy they don't want (sunk cost).

How is this any worst than Hornets?

In same sesaon, on team where starting PG is Lamelo, starting SG/SF is MIller, they:
-drafted Kon who probably can't play nothing but SG
- traded for Sexton who is PG/SG
- signed Dinwiddie who is PG/SG
- traded for Josh Green last year (SG)
- kept Josh Okogie (SG)
- still have Nick Smith who can't play nothing but PG
- traded for Tre Mann last year (PG)

In same time, SF,PF and C position is undersized, crappy, raw or over a hill. Might as well return Taj Gipson.

They are without playoffs for 9 years, they had 1 solid season, back in 2022, they are entering 4th year of tanking and sucking without any purpose. They don't even have much assets. Just team that allows Lamelo Ball to play streetball for 30 games a year, after that he gets hurt, and Miller takes over his clownshow.

Should i remind you that team that starts 40 years old Taj Gipson and now will start ashes of Plumlee few years ago drafted Jalen Duren- 13# pick but traded pick for 4 second round picks and Nuggets 2023 pick that turned into Nick Smith - 27# pick

It's a such a clownshow. Every team that drafted Lamelo Ball, Brandon MIller and takes Kon after that should be banned from drafting. Collection of 3 perimeter players who can't guard chair on same team, drafted within top 5 picks. Might as well hire AI to run a team.

I still can't see single logical reason why team with 5000 combo guards didn't trade down to get Khaman Maluach or Noa Essengue, or Queen or Sober... or literally any other player/position that isn't shooting guard or point guard.
OR why they didn't do any make up trade. No. They are entering season with 5 point guards and 4 shooting guards, about 0 SFs, 2 undersized PFs and 0 -nba level- 2025/26- centers.

Just ...epic.

That's fair. I still see them as a tanking team, so I can't imagine they were making winning moves.

They got Sexton + 2nd for Nurkic. No matter what you think of the roster, I like that deal. Sexton can be flipped again at the deadline for another 2nd or 2.

Diabate/Plumlee
Bridges/Salaun/Williams
Miller/McNeeley
Knuppel/Sexton/Mann
Lamelo/Dinwiddie/Nick Smith Jr

Dinwiddie will be joining Sexton as a deadline deal making way for Mann/Smith Jr. Hopefully for them adding more assets to the team.

They need to get a center, but there wasn't any good options. Word on Maluch is that Rich Paul forced him to Phoenix, so we don't know who did or didn't want him. https://sports.yahoo.com/article/rich-paul-reportedly-pulled-strings-173445789.html

And if Knuppel is prime Gordon Hayward and Essengue is all flash and no substance, then we would be laughing at them that they didn't take BPA and tried to get cute.

I didn't love their off-season but I also didn't have expectations for them to force the issue. Most the teams I mentioned are either trying to win and got worse, or made stupid deals.

[LightTheBeam]

Pistons - Didn't like losing the shooters. Overpaid to get Robinson. LeVert wasn't a guy I had as a target to replace Beasley.

Losing Beasley is not ideal BUT:

- Robinson is the guy who should be looked at as replacing Beasley in terms of flat out outside shooting; neither played much of any defense. Robinson is actually a better shooter by the numbers. No, I don't expect Robinson to replicate Beasley's 300+ 3's from last year. But I didn't really expect Beasley to either.

- Ivey (who missed the back half of the season last year) was a much better shooter than THJ from range. He's also younger. Neither played much defense besides THJ's charges he took.

I'm not a big fan of LeVert but at least he plays defense and can handle the ball a little as a facilitator (good AST to TO ratios).

Mostly a Meh offseason. I think if the Beasley news didn't come they'd probably have resigned him and Schroder and let THJ walk.

The potential off-season excitement going forward is whether you believe their young guys will continue to develop (Cade, Ausar, Duren, Ivey and Holland)

Ya I was more so disappointed they didn't make a bigger move. This was a team who should have took this year as an opportunity to add real talent. The starting lineup is so cheap around Cade. I would have been second star hunting using picks + Ivey. Adding LeVert/Robinson at 31 million seemed like they panicked and tried to backfill the positions.

Now if you believe Ivey can be that legit #2, then fine. I personally don't. And I get Orlando paid a ton for Bane, but that would have been the type of move I'd be looking for. Go after a Siakam. Jaylen Brown, Derrick White, Bane, Murphy, Lauri.

The East is wide open, and I felt like teams in Detroits spot should have went a little harder to put themselves in the spot Indiana was in last year. Now I think they are behind Milwaukee, Orlando, Cleveland, Knicks, and maybe the Hawks. Even with progression, I still have them 5-6.

[tamaraw08]

Top 5
Pelicans. Traded for Poole, gave up a future 1st to move up 10 spots.

Kings - It's not really Perrys fault. There are no takers for LaVine/DeRozan. The owner/Sabonis forced him to sign a pg, leading to Schroder who was probably the best available but doesn't really change anything. Hopefully the start to a tank. Draft was okay, but that's about it.

Bulls - I like the draft pick. But they have so much expiring money. Not sure what the plan is. Talks about giving Giddey 30 a year which would be a disaster.

Pistons - Didn't like losing the shooters. Overpaid to get Robinson. LeVert wasn't a guy I had as a target to replace Beasley.

Warriors - Have done nothing. Kuminga situation sucks, and they are going to end up resigning a guy they don't want (sunk cost).

How is this any worst than Hornets?

In same sesaon, on team where starting PG is Lamelo, starting SG/SF is MIller, they:
-drafted Kon who probably can't play nothing but SG
- traded for Sexton who is PG/SG
- signed Dinwiddie who is PG/SG
- traded for Josh Green last year (SG)
- kept Josh Okogie (SG)
- still have Nick Smith who can't play nothing but PG
- traded for Tre Mann last year (PG)

In same time, SF,PF and C position is undersized, crappy, raw or over a hill. Might as well return Taj Gipson.

They are without playoffs for 9 years, they had 1 solid season, back in 2022, they are entering 4th year of tanking and sucking without any purpose. They don't even have much assets. Just team that allows Lamelo Ball to play streetball for 30 games a year, after that he gets hurt, and Miller takes over his clownshow.

Should i remind you that team that starts 40 years old Taj Gipson and now will start ashes of Plumlee few years ago drafted Jalen Duren- 13# pick but traded pick for 4 second round picks and Nuggets 2023 pick that turned into Nick Smith - 27# pick

It's a such a clownshow. Every team that drafted Lamelo Ball, Brandon MIller and takes Kon after that should be banned from drafting. Collection of 3 perimeter players who can't guard chair on same team, drafted within top 5 picks. Might as well hire AI to run a team.

I still can't see single logical reason why team with 5000 combo guards didn't trade down to get Khaman Maluach or Noa Essengue, or Queen or Sober... or literally any other player/position that isn't shooting guard or point guard.
OR why they didn't do any make up trade. No. They are entering season with 5 point guards and 4 shooting guards, about 0 SFs, 2 undersized PFs and 0 -nba level- 2025/26- centers.

Just ...epic.

Bear in mind they traded their Center rotation that gave them a combined 24pts/17 rebs for 1 FRP and 3-4 2nd RP's. and signed the 35 yr old Plumlee.
Williams is probably a very brittle guy whose been missing too many games but Richards is pretty decent imo and is cheap at 5 Mil.

[Invictus88]

Pistons - Didn't like losing the shooters. Overpaid to get Robinson. LeVert wasn't a guy I had as a target to replace Beasley.

Losing Beasley is not ideal BUT:

- Robinson is the guy who should be looked at as replacing Beasley in terms of flat out outside shooting; neither played much of any defense. Robinson is actually a better shooter by the numbers. No, I don't expect Robinson to replicate Beasley's 300+ 3's from last year. But I didn't really expect Beasley to either.

- Ivey (who missed the back half of the season last year) was a much better shooter than THJ from range. He's also younger. Neither played much defense besides THJ's charges he took.

I'm not a big fan of LeVert but at least he plays defense and can handle the ball a little as a facilitator (good AST to TO ratios).

Mostly a Meh offseason. I think if the Beasley news didn't come they'd probably have resigned him and Schroder and let THJ walk.

The potential off-season excitement going forward is whether you believe their young guys will continue to develop (Cade, Ausar, Duren, Ivey and Holland)

Ya I was more so disappointed they didn't make a bigger move. This was a team who should have took this year as an opportunity to add real talent. The starting lineup is so cheap around Cade. I would have been second star hunting using picks + Ivey. Adding LeVert/Robinson at 31 million seemed like they panicked and tried to backfill the positions.

Now if you believe Ivey can be that legit #2, then fine. I personally don't. And I get Orlando paid a ton for Bane, but that would have been the type of move I'd be looking for. Go after a Siakam. Jaylen Brown, Derrick White, Bane, Murphy, Lauri.

The East is wide open, and I felt like teams in Detroits spot should have went a little harder to put themselves in the spot Indiana was in last year. Now I think they are behind Milwaukee, Orlando, Cleveland, Knicks, and maybe the Hawks. Even with progression, I still have them 5-6.

I don't think folks outside of Detroit really value Ivey or Holland that highly. Maybe even Duren as well. So if you are asking for the Pistons to trade those guys now to make a big splash then they're probably not going to get much unless you bundle up a lot of them plus picks.

I also don't see the Pistons in their current form as being 1 piece away from contending. If their young guys progress then maybe that situation changes. And if it does those same guys also have much more value in trade and can make getting that big piece easier.

[AdamSSSlither]

Top 5
Pelicans. Traded for Poole, gave up a future 1st to move up 10 spots.

Kings - It's not really Perrys fault. There are no takers for LaVine/DeRozan. The owner/Sabonis forced him to sign a pg, leading to Schroder who was probably the best available but doesn't really change anything. Hopefully the start to a tank. Draft was okay, but that's about it.

Bulls - I like the draft pick. But they have so much expiring money. Not sure what the plan is. Talks about giving Giddey 30 a year which would be a disaster.

Pistons - Didn't like losing the shooters. Overpaid to get Robinson. LeVert wasn't a guy I had as a target to replace Beasley.

Warriors - Have done nothing. Kuminga situation sucks, and they are going to end up resigning a guy they don't want (sunk cost).

How is this any worst than Hornets?

In same sesaon, on team where starting PG is Lamelo, starting SG/SF is MIller, they:
-drafted Kon who probably can't play nothing but SG
- traded for Sexton who is PG/SG
- signed Dinwiddie who is PG/SG
- traded for Josh Green last year (SG)
- kept Josh Okogie (SG)
- still have Nick Smith who can't play nothing but PG
- traded for Tre Mann last year (PG)

In same time, SF,PF and C position is undersized, crappy, raw or over a hill. Might as well return Taj Gipson.

They are without playoffs for 9 years, they had 1 solid season, back in 2022, they are entering 4th year of tanking and sucking without any purpose. They don't even have much assets. Just team that allows Lamelo Ball to play streetball for 30 games a year, after that he gets hurt, and Miller takes over his clownshow.

Should i remind you that team that starts 40 years old Taj Gipson and now will start ashes of Plumlee few years ago drafted Jalen Duren- 13# pick but traded pick for 4 second round picks and Nuggets 2023 pick that turned into Nick Smith - 27# pick

It's a such a clownshow. Every team that drafted Lamelo Ball, Brandon MIller and takes Kon after that should be banned from drafting. Collection of 3 perimeter players who can't guard chair on same team, drafted within top 5 picks. Might as well hire AI to run a team.

I still can't see single logical reason why team with 5000 combo guards didn't trade down to get Khaman Maluach or Noa Essengue, or Queen or Sober... or literally any other player/position that isn't shooting guard or point guard.
OR why they didn't do any make up trade. No. They are entering season with 5 point guards and 4 shooting guards, about 0 SFs, 2 undersized PFs and 0 -nba level- 2025/26- centers.

Just ...epic.

you mentioned that solid 2022 season where russell westbrook almost singlehandedly brought the wizards from the worst to playoff in same season.
i watched every game, it was incredible after russ got back from injury.

also i have seen okogie and green both play sf and pf.
and at 6'9"miller is a sf.

but dont get me wrong, yes the wizards are ridiculous...
deni avdija went crazy end of last yr even though they got 2- 1st rnd picks and brogdon.

[Sixers in 4]

I don't like Brooklyn offseason at all really. They only got one first round pick while taking back and extra 40M and getting a worse player. They seemed to draft every PG who can't shoot in the draft. They don't seem to know what to do with Cam or Speedy.

The worst offseason is a tie between the Celtics and Indy. Not either of their faults and both are extremely well run organizations but when you look at what they have lost compared to last year due to injuries FA and trades it's not close to me.

[phanman]

I think its New Orleans by far. The looks like it is still attached the Zion train and post like these along with his general availability make it a questionable decision:

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To make matters worse they made that god awful trade on draft day with no protection and then swapped out CJ for Poole as if the team wasn't already dealing with maturity problems compounded by bringing in two lottery selected rookies. Although I do like the Looney pickup for front court depth, his fit next to Zion couldn't be any worse.

[MalonesElbows]

Golden State is already an aging team, and the situation with Kuminga still hasn’t been resolved.

Adding another old veteran like Horford doesn’t seem like an exciting move.

They could have had Lauri and still be contending, but thought Kuminga was some upcoming superstar apparently. That ship has sailed for them.

[Special_Puppy]

Celtics getting basically nothing for Holiday+KP+Kornet+Horford is pretty terrible.

[JRoy]

Portland traded for a 35-year old making $100M in three years. They also cut their best player.

Utah traded Collins for Kyle Anderson and a 2nd. They also traded Sexton for Nurkic. Added Caughington. Awful.

LOL.

Avdija was the best Blazer and it wasn’t close. Ayton is garbage, Simons too.

[BigGargamel]

Portland traded for a 35-year old making $100M in three years. They also cut their best player.

Utah traded Collins for Kyle Anderson and a 2nd. They also traded Sexton for Nurkic. Added Caughington. Awful.

LOL.

Avdija was the best Blazer and it wasn’t close. Ayton is garbage, Simons too.

I don't even watch Portland like that, and even I can tell you that Avdija, Camara and probably even Sharpe are better players than Ayton.

There was a reason that a 26 year old center was bought out, something usually reserved for players in their mid 30's. Dude stinks.