Report: Quentin Grimes asking for 25million AAV

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Re: Report: Quentin Grimes asking for 25million AAV 

Post#101 » by magee » Sun Jul 6, 2025 8:17 pm

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Astaluego wrote:A double ST for the Grizzlies for Aldama would have been great for both teams. The Grizzlies got a replacement for Bane, the 76ers were a better fit.

Ja/Grimes/Wells/JJJ/Edey

Maxey/Edgecombe/PG/Aldama/Embiid

Very interesting


Memphis is pretty shot in the front court to start the season. Eddy's out for a while and JJJ might miss some time to start the season. I don't see how they'd be able to deal Aldama. I also think he's due for a more expanded role in Iisalo's offense this year.
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Re: Report: Quentin Grimes asking for 25million AAV 

Post#102 » by BigGargamel » Sun Jul 6, 2025 8:32 pm

magee wrote:
JimmyPlopper wrote:
Astaluego wrote:A double ST for the Grizzlies for Aldama would have been great for both teams. The Grizzlies got a replacement for Bane, the 76ers were a better fit.

Ja/Grimes/Wells/JJJ/Edey

Maxey/Edgecombe/PG/Aldama/Embiid

Very interesting


Memphis is pretty shot in the front court to start the season. Eddy's out for a while and JJJ might miss some time to start the season. I don't see how they'd be able to deal Aldama. I also think he's due for a more expanded role in Iisalo's offense this year.


Plus the Grizzlies drafted Coward, who will probably be better than Grimes relatively quickly. And they signed Ty Jerome. Aldama is a much bigger need.
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Re: Report: Quentin Grimes asking for 25million AAV 

Post#103 » by ProcessDoctor » Sun Jul 6, 2025 9:18 pm

NAW's 4-year, $62 mil feels like the best comp here.
2025-2026 Philadelphia 76ers:

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Re: Report: Quentin Grimes asking for 25million AAV 

Post#104 » by cgf » Tue Jul 8, 2025 4:06 pm

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MrGoat wrote:For what he brings that's not even an unreasonable ask. He's a legit two way player, a lot of defensive players get called two way players even though they're really not because they stink on offense but Grimes killed it on offense for the Sixers after getting traded there


But did he play defense during this time? I did not watch the games, but there are very few players in this league at the wing who do both at the same time. It's a stammina thing.



No he didn't.

Fact of the matter is I don't really care about his numbers during that tanking stretch. A good 25 million dollar player is a great shooter off the catch that can defend very positively multiple positions and attack closeouts and make the right play as a passer or finisher... Even if that's 14-16ppg.

However, he didn't necessarily prove that he could be that in the few games he did play with the Sixers stars. So he's not getting 25 million... He should take the QO of he's not satisfied and prove he can help a team not get stats


FWIW that's basically the player he was for the Knicks...great at chasing players around screens away from the ball, good on ball defender, excellent C&S guy, with surprising wiggle when he was chased off the 3pt-line, who made the right play offensively too a fault...our only problem with him was that last part, when he wouldn't up his volume even when we needed him to after the OG trade sapped our bench scoring.

If he was playing that way for Philly and finally realized that him taking an open shot is often going to be an offense's best look on a possession, then he's totally worth that much or more.
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Re: Report: Quentin Grimes asking for 25million AAV 

Post#105 » by cgf » Tue Jul 8, 2025 4:09 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:NAW's 4-year, $62 mil feels like the best comp here.


I don't think NAW has the same kind of offensive talent that Grimes does, despite the improvement as shooter that we've seen from Alexander-Walker.
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Re: Report: Quentin Grimes asking for 25million AAV 

Post#106 » by Onlytimewilltel » Tue Jul 8, 2025 5:10 pm

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ProcessDoctor wrote:NAW's 4-year, $62 mil feels like the best comp here.


I don't think NAW has the same kind of offensive talent that Grimes does, despite the improvement as shooter that we've seen from Alexander-Walker.


But NAW is much better on defense
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Re: Report: Quentin Grimes asking for 25million AAV 

Post#107 » by SeattleJazzFan » Tue Jul 8, 2025 7:53 pm

22 ppg on solid efficiency with philly at age 25.

$25MM is not what it used to be in the NBA. it's about how much they should be asking for.
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Re: Report: Quentin Grimes asking for 25million AAV 

Post#108 » by cgf » Tue Jul 8, 2025 7:57 pm

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cgf wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:NAW's 4-year, $62 mil feels like the best comp here.


I don't think NAW has the same kind of offensive talent that Grimes does, despite the improvement as shooter that we've seen from Alexander-Walker.


But NAW is much better on defense


I dunno how well grimes was defending last year, but he was a fantastic defender in NY :dontknow:
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Re: Report: Quentin Grimes asking for 25million AAV 

Post#109 » by tamaraw08 » Tue Jul 8, 2025 8:23 pm

cgf wrote:
ProcessDoctor wrote:NAW's 4-year, $62 mil feels like the best comp here.


I don't think NAW has the same kind of offensive talent that Grimes does, despite the improvement as shooter that we've seen from Alexander-Walker.


Pardon my ignorant question, but how much better is Grimes over other free agent guys like Malik Beasley, Lonnie Walker, Bones Hyland, THJ?
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Re: Report: Quentin Grimes asking for 25million AAV 

Post#110 » by thomas1897 » Tue Jul 8, 2025 8:44 pm

Is Quentin Grimes worth it?
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Re: Report: Quentin Grimes asking for 25million AAV *Update pg6 likely resigns* 

Post#111 » by Sixers in 4 » Tue Jul 8, 2025 8:47 pm

To be clear, the Sixers as of Monday night, are almost certain they are going to retain him, and splashed cold water on potential sign-and-trade scenarios, league sources told The Athletic. The issue for Grimes is that the restricted free agency market is virtually non-existent. There is almost no cap space on the market, and that puts the Sixers in a position where they are bidding against themselves.

League sources are confident that the Sixers and Grimes will find a way to come to terms, even if Sixers fans have grown a bit antsy waiting for a resolution, and even if the market has ground to a halt. At this point however, Grimes and his team are looking for a significant payout, and the Sixers are content to sit back and allow the market to play itself out. Other restricted free agents such as Golden State’s Jonathan Kuminga and Chicago guard Josh Giddey are also waiting.

The choices can be simple. Grimes and the Sixers find an acceptable number and come to an agreement. Failing that by the end of the offseason, Grimes could accept Philadelphia’s $8.7 million qualifying offer, which would pave the way for him to hit unrestricted free agency next summer. Or, Grimes and the Sixers could work out a sign and trade. The latter would require Philadelphia to cooperate, which, as of Monday night, makes that avenue unlikely.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6479497/2025/07/08/quentin-grimes-vj-edgecombe-76ers/
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Re: Report: Quentin Grimes asking for 25million AAV 

Post#112 » by magee » Tue Jul 8, 2025 11:07 pm

Anyone know what would push the Sixers over each apron if he re-signed with them for a certain amount? $20 milli would take them over the first apron? $30 milli over the second?

Those numbers are definitely not accurate. Just asking because that's something they are trying to figure out, as well. What value they want to pay him, where that would put them and their flexibility to make any additional moves, and for how long. My guess is they'll front load any deal to save them a little more in the future. Even 3/75 with an extra few front loaded might be the best way for the Sixers to go about it.
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Re: Report: Quentin Grimes asking for 25million AAV 

Post#113 » by JimmyPlopper » Tue Jul 8, 2025 11:11 pm

magee wrote:Anyone know what would push the Sixers over each apron if he re-signed with them for a certain amount? $20 milli would take them over the first apron? $30 milli over the second?

Those numbers are definitely not accurate. Just asking because that's something they are trying to figure out, as well. What value they want to pay him, where that would put them and their flexibility to make any additional moves, and for how long. My guess is they'll front load any deal to save them a little more in the future. Even 3/75 with an extra few front loaded might be the best way for the Sixers to go about it.


I dont know the answer, but this seems like the most important question
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Re: Report: Quentin Grimes asking for 25million AAV 

Post#114 » by HartfordWhalers » Tue Jul 8, 2025 11:18 pm

magee wrote:Anyone know what would push the Sixers over each apron if he re-signed with them for a certain amount? $20 milli would take them over the first apron? $30 milli over the second?

Those numbers are definitely not accurate. Just asking because that's something they are trying to figure out, as well. What value they want to pay him, where that would put them and their flexibility to make any additional moves, and for how long. My guess is they'll front load any deal to save them a little more in the future. Even 3/75 with an extra few front loaded might be the best way for the Sixers to go about it.


The first apron in 2025-26 is roughly $195.9 million, so the Sixers are roughly $10.1 million below that. The second apron is around $207.8 million, so the Sixers are $22.0 million below that.


https://www.libertyballers.com/24100956/sixers-roster-salaries-cap-space-draft-picks
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Re: Report: Quentin Grimes asking for 25million AAV 

Post#115 » by Sixers in 4 » Tue Jul 8, 2025 11:27 pm

magee wrote:Anyone know what would push the Sixers over each apron if he re-signed with them for a certain amount? $20 milli would take them over the first apron? $30 milli over the second?

Those numbers are definitely not accurate. Just asking because that's something they are trying to figure out, as well. What value they want to pay him, where that would put them and their flexibility to make any additional moves, and for how long. My guess is they'll front load any deal to save them a little more in the future. Even 3/75 with an extra few front loaded might be the best way for the Sixers to go about it.


Phly sports and dbodner (old realgm account from back in the day) actually went through and gave the figures but can't remember what they were.

I don't think we will go 3/75 because we frankly don't need to. Now there is no threat of someone offering him more than the exception it's sort of hard to see him getting more than 17M if that.

He is going to be force to sign for 8.1 otherwise so lets say he declines 3/51M. Even if he were to get paid 3/75 after next year his actual contract would be 4/83.1M or 21AAV. He won't be getting that either in the role he is going to have let alone 25M. Lets say he gets another 17M offer over 3 well that is actually 14M AAV. The math doesn't really work for Grimes and if he is forced to accept the exception which will be 14M that is actually around 12.5M AAV over 3. Last year was the perfect storm for him we have VJ Maxey ahead of him and he is going to be fighting for time with Oubre.

He really should just take the 15-17 million offer if it's there. Coming on the QO is going to be very hard to makeup in free agency.
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Re: Report: Quentin Grimes asking for 25million AAV 

Post#116 » by magee » Tue Jul 8, 2025 11:36 pm

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magee wrote:Anyone know what would push the Sixers over each apron if he re-signed with them for a certain amount? $20 milli would take them over the first apron? $30 milli over the second?

Those numbers are definitely not accurate. Just asking because that's something they are trying to figure out, as well. What value they want to pay him, where that would put them and their flexibility to make any additional moves, and for how long. My guess is they'll front load any deal to save them a little more in the future. Even 3/75 with an extra few front loaded might be the best way for the Sixers to go about it.


The first apron in 2025-26 is roughly $195.9 million, so the Sixers are roughly $10.1 million below that. The second apron is around $207.8 million, so the Sixers are $22.0 million below that.


https://www.libertyballers.com/24100956/sixers-roster-salaries-cap-space-draft-picks


Thanks! So it seems like they'd be willing to go up to 17-19* in order to give them a little wiggle room before hitting the second apron? Anything more than that might make their books too tight.

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Re: Report: Quentin Grimes asking for 25million AAV 

Post#117 » by magee » Tue Jul 8, 2025 11:37 pm

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magee wrote:Anyone know what would push the Sixers over each apron if he re-signed with them for a certain amount? $20 milli would take them over the first apron? $30 milli over the second?

Those numbers are definitely not accurate. Just asking because that's something they are trying to figure out, as well. What value they want to pay him, where that would put them and their flexibility to make any additional moves, and for how long. My guess is they'll front load any deal to save them a little more in the future. Even 3/75 with an extra few front loaded might be the best way for the Sixers to go about it.


Phly sports and dbodner (old realgm account from back in the day) actually went through and gave the figures but can't remember what they were.

I don't think we will go 3/75 because we frankly don't need to. Now there is no threat of someone offering him more than the exception it's sort of hard to see him getting more than 17M if that.

He is going to be force to sign for 8.1 otherwise so lets say he declines 3/51M. Even if he were to get paid 3/75 after next year his actual contract would be 4/83.1M or 21AAV. He won't be getting that either in the role he is going to have let alone 25M. Lets say he gets another 17M offer over 3 well that is actually 14M AAV. The math doesn't really work for Grimes and if he is forced to accept the exception which will be 14M that is actually around 12.5M AAV over 3. Last year was the perfect storm for him we have VJ Maxey ahead of him and he is going to be fighting for time with Oubre.

He really should just take the 15-17 million offer if it's there. Coming on the QO is going to be very hard to makeup in free agency.


Got ya. I was just throwing out the 3/75 based on what was reported. I don't blame him for asking for that considering what he did in the role he had in the second half of the season. My guess is the Sixers want to try and meet in the middle but also not get too close to the second apron, so like 17-19 range?
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Re: Report: Quentin Grimes asking for 25million AAV 

Post#118 » by Tripod » Tue Jul 8, 2025 11:55 pm

You can see why Philly would be hesitant.

3.5 years over 3 teams, he was a sub 12 pt scorer. They could view that 21pt scorer as a 76er as just a "well someone has to score" while everyone was sitting.

Maybe they agree to a shorter deal as a "let's see how things go when everyone plays and he becomes a UFA in say 2 years"

So 2 years at approx 15 mill per
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Re: Report: Quentin Grimes asking for 25million AAV 

Post#119 » by HartfordWhalers » Wed Jul 9, 2025 10:29 pm

magee wrote:
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magee wrote:Anyone know what would push the Sixers over each apron if he re-signed with them for a certain amount? $20 milli would take them over the first apron? $30 milli over the second?

Those numbers are definitely not accurate. Just asking because that's something they are trying to figure out, as well. What value they want to pay him, where that would put them and their flexibility to make any additional moves, and for how long. My guess is they'll front load any deal to save them a little more in the future. Even 3/75 with an extra few front loaded might be the best way for the Sixers to go about it.


The first apron in 2025-26 is roughly $195.9 million, so the Sixers are roughly $10.1 million below that. The second apron is around $207.8 million, so the Sixers are $22.0 million below that.


https://www.libertyballers.com/24100956/sixers-roster-salaries-cap-space-draft-picks


Thanks! So it seems like they'd be willing to go up to 17-19* in order to give them a little wiggle room before hitting the second apron? Anything more than that might make their books too tight.

*Edit.


I think that is a reasonable interpretation. Another is that if he walks, they likely duck the tax entirely while/if Embiid is too injured to win a chip.

2 2nds and an ~9m TPE (BYC) while another team signs him to a 4/80ish deal actually is very sellable as we retained flexibility and a method to boost the team later (not really but you sell it).

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