Free Agency & Trades Thread 2 **NOW OPEN**

[RoteSchroder]

I think letting go of Ochai for RJ would be a pretty bad mistake.

Cheap 3&D guys are hard to come by but if the FO gets the sense that some team will be willing to pay Ochai in the off-season, I’d get it.

People who want to flip Ochai to get under the tax are crazy. He has skills of a starting calibre player on a good team, you dont get rid of those type of players unless another team makes it worth your while.

I'm hoping we are getting all these RJ rumours because the front office sees it the same way as well. No one else on the team is ready to start for a good team, which we are hoping to be next year.

That's if your starting 5 features LBJ, Giannis, Shai, etc. On a team that has to win through 5 above average starters, Ochai needs to be a little more elite at one end of the court

With the lack of perimeter defense and shooting, RJ is naturally the odd man out. We should point to Siakam if dealing with SAC and show them the consequences of trying to low ball us.

[CazOnReal]

malaki branham was the pick from the thad young trade down
wesley was same draft a few picks after

It would have been Nembhard if we kept it, per all the rumors.

like all the rumors we were going to select Maluach

Nick Nurse was on the record in praising Nemby (Both for Team Canada contributions as well as a then-recent workout they had with him as part of the draft process) and by all accounts there were a lot of Andrew fans within the organization. Unlike the Walker Keesler hypothetical, there's substance behind believing Toronto would pick him over Koloko if given the opportunity.

What's done is done, bad move is bad, it happens.

[Zeno]

Has the Val/Saric trade been finalized yet? I am still holding out hope for a three way trade that sends us Monk, Saric and Spurs 2027 1st for RJ. Then we buyout Saric and sign Martin to full contract. Saves 3.3 million.

Not official yet, anything official gets posted at

https://www.nba.com/players/transactions

Nice. I think that they are holding back this deal to either get Kuminga(basically young Julius Randle) or RJ. Perry is trying to recreate the pre-Brunson Knicks.

[sidsid]

Has the Val/Saric trade been finalized yet? I am still holding out hope for a three way trade that sends us Monk, Saric and Spurs 2027 1st for RJ. Then we buyout Saric and sign Martin to full contract. Saves 3.3 million.

Not official yet, anything official gets posted at

https://www.nba.com/players/transactions

Nice. I think that they are holding back this deal to either get Kuminga(basically young Julius Randle) or RJ. Perry is trying to recreate the pre-Brunson Knicks.

If we can swindle a pick out of them for that or DeMar or whatever. Just take advantage of a badly managed team.

[ArthurVandelay]

Kelly traded again lol

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What are the Wiz doing? Whatever it is they aren’t finished this off season…

They have:
15 guards and wings
1 PF/C in Sarr
1 C in Holmes

[WuTang_CMB]

Kelly traded again lol

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What are the Wiz doing? Whatever it is they aren’t finished this off season…

They have:
15 guards and wings
1 PF/C in Sarr
1 C in Holmes

collecting talent and tanking

[Godaddycurse]

Kelly traded again lol

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What are the Wiz doing? Whatever it is they aren’t finished this off season…

They have:
15 guards and wings
1 PF/C in Sarr
1 C in Holmes

collecting talent and tanking

they saw what kelly O did to our tank last year

[MoneyBall]

Malaki Branham was the guy the Spurs picked 20th with the Thad Young trade. At least we didn't hand them a young stud.

[ArthurVandelay]

Kelly traded again lol

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What are the Wiz doing? Whatever it is they aren’t finished this off season…

They have:
15 guards and wings
1 PF/C in Sarr
1 C in Holmes

collecting talent and tanking

Fair, and I get that. Im curious to see what they do next though. Can’t have 2 total PF and C on their roster.

[CazOnReal]

Kelly traded again lol

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What are the Wiz doing? Whatever it is they aren’t finished this off season…

They have:
15 guards and wings
1 PF/C in Sarr
1 C in Holmes

Anyone who thought the Wizards were going to be contending for anything but the lottery was fooling themselves. They still have a lot of talent/asset acquisition to work on and this move accomplishes that. More bites at the apple, more fliers on young guys.

You're not wrong for noticing their lack of big depth, granted. It's basically just Sarr at this stage.

[deeps6x]

Yes, $875k over the tax (assuming the obvious cuts of Lawson and Castleton).

Because they are too close to the apron, they can't use the MLE to sign Martin to a multi-year deal right now, so either it's a two year deal at the rookie minimum, or he gets a 2nd round exception deal (which is more expensive), or as seems the likeliest choice, he takes a 2-way deal. Weird that we haven't heard yet which one it is.

Raps would be this far over the tax for each scenario:
2-way: 875k
Rookie min: 2.2M
2nd rd exc: 2.9M

Dumping Temple late in the season would allow them to use the MLE to get Martin on a 3 year deal. But not sure they'll be able to do it for cash. Expect a 2nd rounder heading out.

Still weird we don't have details. Makes me wonder if there is indeed another move coming.

Would have been so much easier to just pay Temple to be a coach. I hope one day we find out who the favour was owed to and why.

[ArthurVandelay]

Kelly traded again lol

Read on Twitter

?s=46&t=0YpMScWXY2zRUqR8fH-usg

What are the Wiz doing? Whatever it is they aren’t finished this off season…

They have:
15 guards and wings
1 PF/C in Sarr
1 C in Holmes

Anyone who thought the Wizards were going to be contending for anything but the lottery was fooling themselves. They still have a lot of talent/asset acquisition to work on and this move accomplishes that. More bites at the apple, more fliers on young guys.

You're not wrong for noticing their lack of big depth, granted. It's basically just Sarr at this stage.

To be clear, I think it’s an open secret they are still tanking. My intrigue is the lack of roster balance.

[ArthurVandelay]

Yes, $875k over the tax (assuming the obvious cuts of Lawson and Castleton).

Because they are too close to the apron, they can't use the MLE to sign Martin to a multi-year deal right now, so either it's a two year deal at the rookie minimum, or he gets a 2nd round exception deal (which is more expensive), or as seems the likeliest choice, he takes a 2-way deal. Weird that we haven't heard yet which one it is.

Raps would be this far over the tax for each scenario:
2-way: 875k
Rookie min: 2.2M
2nd rd exc: 2.9M

Dumping Temple late in the season would allow them to use the MLE to get Martin on a 3 year deal. But not sure they'll be able to do it for cash. Expect a 2nd rounder heading out.

Still weird we don't have details. Makes me wonder if there is indeed another move coming.

Would have been so much easier to just pay Temple to be a coach. I hope one day we find out who the favour was owed to and why.

Coaches can’t tell guys what it takes to last 16 years in the league. An old man leading by example and showing how a professional basketball player prepares has value on a young team.

[Raptorfan2012]

Yes, $875k over the tax (assuming the obvious cuts of Lawson and Castleton).

Because they are too close to the apron, they can't use the MLE to sign Martin to a multi-year deal right now, so either it's a two year deal at the rookie minimum, or he gets a 2nd round exception deal (which is more expensive), or as seems the likeliest choice, he takes a 2-way deal. Weird that we haven't heard yet which one it is.

Raps would be this far over the tax for each scenario:
2-way: 875k
Rookie min: 2.2M
2nd rd exc: 2.9M

Dumping Temple late in the season would allow them to use the MLE to get Martin on a 3 year deal. But not sure they'll be able to do it for cash. Expect a 2nd rounder heading out.

Still weird we don't have details. Makes me wonder if there is indeed another move coming.

Would have been so much easier to just pay Temple to be a coach. I hope one day we find out who the favour was owed to and why.

Same - I honestly thought we weren't going to sign Temple because we wanted to compete next season - Temple is more for development; the guy will get 0 mins if we are trying to put together a competitive rotation. Could have signed another vet who can actually play.

Still think the easiest trade to do is with the Kings by swapping RJ for Demar. Will save us around $3M; put us around $2M under the tax; just enough space to sign Martin to a rookie min. No need for us to scramble mid season to duck under the tax, and we pretty much get the same player (just older).

[WuTang_CMB]

What are the Wiz doing? Whatever it is they aren’t finished this off season…

They have:
15 guards and wings
1 PF/C in Sarr
1 C in Holmes

Anyone who thought the Wizards were going to be contending for anything but the lottery was fooling themselves. They still have a lot of talent/asset acquisition to work on and this move accomplishes that. More bites at the apple, more fliers on young guys.

You're not wrong for noticing their lack of big depth, granted. It's basically just Sarr at this stage.

To be clear, I think it’s an open secret they are still tanking. My intrigue is the lack of roster balance.

they hope to god they land top 3 next season

[djsunyc]

outside of luck with wemby and maybe harper, the spurs haven't really done anything good.

[RaptorPride]

Has the Val/Saric trade been finalized yet? I am still holding out hope for a three way trade that sends us Monk, Saric and Spurs 2027 1st for RJ. Then we buyout Saric and sign Martin to full contract. Saves 3.3 million.

Not official yet, anything official gets posted at

https://www.nba.com/players/transactions

Nice. I think that they are holding back this deal to either get Kuminga(basically young Julius Randle) or RJ. Perry is trying to recreate the pre-Brunson Knicks.

Seems very Kings to get RJ and Kuminga while keeping Lavine and Demar.

[WuTang_CMB]

outside of luck with wemby and maybe harper, the spurs haven't really done anything good.

scored fox for peanuts

[RaptorPride]

I think letting go of Ochai for RJ would be a pretty bad mistake.

Cheap 3&D guys are hard to come by but if the FO gets the sense that some team will be willing to pay Ochai in the off-season, I’d get it.

If Ochai was moved over RJ, my assumption would be...

1. The Raptors think they can more easily replace him/refresh their cap sheet via a 1st rounder to replace him i.e. the deals around RJ aren't great and...

2. Ochai's lesser salary makes him easier to trade. Beyond the tax implications, any sort of deal around Agbaji is much easier to match with his...$6 million-ish contract? The exact amount eludes me but with the MLE functioning as a trade exception and other teams having a much easier time taking in his money should they see him as a playoff piece/long-term fit, ergo you'll likely have more suitors and I can easily see a contender or a team that thinks they're a contender (Hawks, Celtics if they somehow are a playoff team, Rockets, Cavaliers, Mavericks...though I think they lack a future 1st until the 2030s) trading a future pick for him (Bucks 2027 1st? I doubt that Pelicans 2026 1st is on the table, certainly not without protections).

3. They think they can get RJ to take a paycut/a sweetheart deal under the new CBA. We'll ignore that no one asked Boucher for a similar Canadian cut or that 2027 is projected to have more cap space to throw around.

4. RJ being bigger/broader makes him a lot easier to play as a 3 or even a smaller 4. Ochai is a good defender but he's not otherworldly and his size is a major limitation - even if he is a much better defender than Barrett is or likely will ever be.

5. We have no idea what Ochai's extension is looking like in terms of the talks or the $$$. Big wild card in all this, of course. But one that's really too early in the offseason to make a call with how little we know about said number.

I personally think RJ is the more likely of the two to go but if the best offers you're getting are Kuzma + stuff or Monk straight up, I can see why Bobby "Cap Master" Webster would view Ochai as the more immediate "get out of the tax free" option.

How much will Ochai get paid?

[RaptorPride]

I think letting go of Ochai for RJ would be a pretty bad mistake.

Cheap 3&D guys are hard to come by but if the FO gets the sense that some team will be willing to pay Ochai in the off-season, I’d get it.

People who want to flip Ochai to get under the tax are crazy. He has skills of a starting calibre player on a good team, you dont get rid of those type of players unless another team makes it worth your while.

I'm hoping we are getting all these RJ rumours because the front office sees it the same way as well. No one else on the team is ready to start for a good team, which we are hoping to be next year.

I think Ochai could fetch us a nice first round pick with out taking on long term contracts. Which I think is a worth while gamble. Ochai won't be as enticing once he signs his new deal. I'm not even sure how much he would get.