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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread 

Post#1601 » by fallguy » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:24 am

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Fierce1 wrote:One of Niang and Hauser has to go.

I prefer keeping Niang because he's the better overall player and he has some dawg in him.

Use Sam in a trade that will get the Cs a big man.


Why does one have to go? Moving one but not the other doesn't do anything to get us below the tax. We're technically over the 2nd apron right now by about $300K but easy to shed that with a smaller move.

The "dog" that Niang has in him is taking cheap shots at people to make up for the fact that he's a downright terrible defender. He couldn't guard you or me. Hauser, on the other hand, is decent on defense. And both are shooters only except Hauser shoots it better on higher difficulty shot profile. No idea how Niang is a better overall player.

That's because Niang is better inside the 3pt line.

We can agree to disagree about who's better, but one has to go.

And the tax seems to be a secondary issue as seen by not trading Simons before the trade became official.


You haven't explained why one has to go. This is a made up choice.
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread 

Post#1602 » by Parliament10 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:35 am

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Why does one have to go? Moving one but not the other doesn't do anything to get us below the tax. We're technically over the 2nd apron right now by about $300K but easy to shed that with a smaller move.

The "dog" that Niang has in him is taking cheap shots at people to make up for the fact that he's a downright terrible defender. He couldn't guard you or me. Hauser, on the other hand, is decent on defense. And both are shooters only except Hauser shoots it better on higher difficulty shot profile. No idea how Niang is a better overall player.

That's because Niang is better inside the 3pt line.

We can agree to disagree about who's better, but one has to go.

And the tax seems to be a secondary issue as seen by not trading Simons before the trade became official.


You haven't explained why one has to go. This is a made up choice.

For the duration of the Offseason, we can keep a 21-Man Roster.
I think that we'll see a lot of faces, all the way up to the cutoff date?

I say that, because we actually can keep both, for the next few months anyway.
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread 

Post#1603 » by Fierce1 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:40 am

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Why does one have to go? Moving one but not the other doesn't do anything to get us below the tax. We're technically over the 2nd apron right now by about $300K but easy to shed that with a smaller move.

The "dog" that Niang has in him is taking cheap shots at people to make up for the fact that he's a downright terrible defender. He couldn't guard you or me. Hauser, on the other hand, is decent on defense. And both are shooters only except Hauser shoots it better on higher difficulty shot profile. No idea how Niang is a better overall player.

That's because Niang is better inside the 3pt line.

We can agree to disagree about who's better, but one has to go.

And the tax seems to be a secondary issue as seen by not trading Simons before the trade became official.


You haven't explained why one has to go. This is a made up choice.

One has to go because both are shooters and the Cs are lacking a big man.

One shooter and one big man is more balanced than 2 shooters and no big man.
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Post#1604 » by fallguy » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:43 am

Fierce1 wrote:
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Fierce1 wrote:That's because Niang is better inside the 3pt line.

We can agree to disagree about who's better, but one has to go.

And the tax seems to be a secondary issue as seen by not trading Simons before the trade became official.


You haven't explained why one has to go. This is a made up choice.

One has to go because both are shooters and the Cs are lacking a big man.

One shooter and one big man is more balanced than 2 shooters and no big man.


Good lord - this is a terrible, barely-considered argument.

We have like four centers. We don't need to ditch either of these guys, who can both play.
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Post#1605 » by Fierce1 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:50 am

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You haven't explained why one has to go. This is a made up choice.

One has to go because both are shooters and the Cs are lacking a big man.

One shooter and one big man is more balanced than 2 shooters and no big man.


Good lord - this is a terrible, barely-considered argument.

We have like four centers. We don't need to ditch either of these guys, who can both play.

4 Centers and none of them are legit NBA starting Center.

Tillman will be gone because he's just not fitting in.

So that's 3 Centers and Amari is a rookie who will need to go through the learning curve.

Celtics really weak at the PF and C position right now.

Sacrifice one of the shooters to improve the PF or C spot.
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Post#1606 » by Fierce1 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:55 am

I was expecting Al or Luke to return, but if our best Center right now is Queta and our starting PF will be Niang or Hauser, it's going to be a disaster.

The Cs will get abused inside the paint so badly.
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Post#1607 » by fallguy » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:56 am

Fierce1 wrote:
fallguy wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:One has to go because both are shooters and the Cs are lacking a big man.

One shooter and one big man is more balanced than 2 shooters and no big man.


Good lord - this is a terrible, barely-considered argument.

We have like four centers. We don't need to ditch either of these guys, who can both play.

4 Centers and none of them are legit NBA starting Center.

Tillman will be gone because he's just not fitting in.

So that's 3 Centers and Amari is a rookie who will need to go through the learning curve.

Celtics really weak at the PF and C position right now.

Sacrifice one of the shooters to improve the PF or C spot.


So trade one of the guards.

It's just a silly 'you must do this' thing you made up. It's not logical or persuasive.
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Post#1608 » by Riverwalk2021 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:57 am

Starting Hauser or Tillman would be terrorism. Brown and White should demand a trade if that happens. They will make a trade to add front court scoring. No way they go into the season with that WNBA front court.
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Post#1609 » by Fierce1 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 2:07 am

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Fierce1 wrote:
fallguy wrote:
Good lord - this is a terrible, barely-considered argument.

We have like four centers. We don't need to ditch either of these guys, who can both play.

4 Centers and none of them are legit NBA starting Center.

Tillman will be gone because he's just not fitting in.

So that's 3 Centers and Amari is a rookie who will need to go through the learning curve.

Celtics really weak at the PF and C position right now.

Sacrifice one of the shooters to improve the PF or C spot.


So trade one of the guards.

It's just a silly 'you must do this' thing you made up. It's not logical or persuasive.

Have you checked Sam's game log?

He was a non-factor in the playoffs, especially against Orlando.

I don't disagree with trading one of the guards, but Brad didn't do it.

I was told Simons won't become a Celtic and will be gone by July 6.

So what happened?

I don't understand why you need 2 shooters when you're lacking a big man.
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Post#1610 » by Parliament10 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 2:10 am

Fierce1 wrote:
fallguy wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:4 Centers and none of them are legit NBA starting Center.

Tillman will be gone because he's just not fitting in.

So that's 3 Centers and Amari is a rookie who will need to go through the learning curve.

Celtics really weak at the PF and C position right now.

Sacrifice one of the shooters to improve the PF or C spot.


So trade one of the guards.

It's just a silly 'you must do this' thing you made up. It's not logical or persuasive.

Have you checked Sam's game log?

He was a non-factor in the playoffs, especially against Orlando.

I don't disagree with trading one of the guards, but Brad didn't do it.

I was told Simons won't become a Celtic and will be gone by July 6.

So what happened?

I don't understand why you need 2 shooters when you're lacking a big man.

I think that there are too many variables going on.
We have to wait and see, for some of the Roster Movement.
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Post#1611 » by Fierce1 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 2:11 am

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Fierce1 wrote:
fallguy wrote:
Good lord - this is a terrible, barely-considered argument.

We have like four centers. We don't need to ditch either of these guys, who can both play.

4 Centers and none of them are legit NBA starting Center.

Tillman will be gone because he's just not fitting in.

So that's 3 Centers and Amari is a rookie who will need to go through the learning curve.

Celtics really weak at the PF and C position right now.

Sacrifice one of the shooters to improve the PF or C spot.


So trade one of the guards.

It's just a silly 'you must do this' thing you made up. It's not logical or persuasive.

If you think that's silly then what about the non-stop trade Jaylen Brown proposals?

You really think there's enough minutes for both Niang and Sam when they are very limited in other aspects of the game?

Sam and Niang alternating at the PF spot will be a disaster.
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Post#1612 » by fallguy » Wed Jul 9, 2025 2:12 am

Fierce1 wrote:
fallguy wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:4 Centers and none of them are legit NBA starting Center.

Tillman will be gone because he's just not fitting in.

So that's 3 Centers and Amari is a rookie who will need to go through the learning curve.

Celtics really weak at the PF and C position right now.

Sacrifice one of the shooters to improve the PF or C spot.


So trade one of the guards.

It's just a silly 'you must do this' thing you made up. It's not logical or persuasive.

Have you checked Sam's game log?

He was a non-factor in the playoffs, especially against Orlando.

I don't disagree with trading one of the guards, but Brad didn't do it.

I was told Simons won't become a Celtic and will be gone by July 6.

So what happened?

I don't understand why you need 2 shooters when you're lacking a big man.


We need shooters at all five positions.

But you're being deliberately dense about Simons. There's no guarantee he makes it to training camp and even less chance he makes it to the all-star break.
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Post#1613 » by Fierce1 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 2:16 am

Parliament10 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:
fallguy wrote:
So trade one of the guards.

It's just a silly 'you must do this' thing you made up. It's not logical or persuasive.

Have you checked Sam's game log?

He was a non-factor in the playoffs, especially against Orlando.

I don't disagree with trading one of the guards, but Brad didn't do it.

I was told Simons won't become a Celtic and will be gone by July 6.

So what happened?

I don't understand why you need 2 shooters when you're lacking a big man.

I think that there are too many variables going on.
We have to wait and see, for some of the Roster Movement.

I agree.

The roster is not set and it might not be set until training camp.

All I'm saying is if Brad won't trade one of the guards for a big then the next best thing is trade one of the shooters.

Losing both Al and Luke really weakened the Cs inside the paint.

And Niang and Sam alternating at the PF spot is really a bad idea.
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Post#1614 » by fallguy » Wed Jul 9, 2025 2:18 am

I don't care whatsoever about how well set up we are for 25-26. It's the ideal year to develop bigs and wings, try out unusual lineup combinations, take our lumps and see if we can find real contributors on low money. Wins and losses matter not a whit.

The entire ballgame is 26-27.
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Post#1615 » by Parliament10 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 2:18 am

fallguy wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:
fallguy wrote:
So trade one of the guards.

It's just a silly 'you must do this' thing you made up. It's not logical or persuasive.

Have you checked Sam's game log?

He was a non-factor in the playoffs, especially against Orlando.

I don't disagree with trading one of the guards, but Brad didn't do it.

I was told Simons won't become a Celtic and will be gone by July 6.

So what happened?

I don't understand why you need 2 shooters when you're lacking a big man.


We need shooters at all five positions.

But you're being deliberately dense about Simons. There's no guarantee he makes it to training camp and even less chance he makes it to the all-star break.

You're starting to go too far in your personal references.
Scale it back.

Try focusing on the Subject Matter, and Not the Poster.


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Post#1616 » by Fierce1 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 2:19 am

fallguy wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:
fallguy wrote:
So trade one of the guards.

It's just a silly 'you must do this' thing you made up. It's not logical or persuasive.

Have you checked Sam's game log?

He was a non-factor in the playoffs, especially against Orlando.

I don't disagree with trading one of the guards, but Brad didn't do it.

I was told Simons won't become a Celtic and will be gone by July 6.

So what happened?

I don't understand why you need 2 shooters when you're lacking a big man.


We need shooters at all five positions.

But you're being deliberately dense about Simons. There's no guarantee he makes it to training camp and even less chance he makes it to the all-star break.

A compromise would be to trade Simons for a big.

But if Brad keeps Simons then the next option is to trade one of the shooters.

Need 5 shooters at all times is not doable now that Queta is the Center.

Or you want Niang at Center and Sam at PF?
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Post#1617 » by fallguy » Wed Jul 9, 2025 2:21 am

Parliament10 wrote:
fallguy wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Have you checked Sam's game log?

He was a non-factor in the playoffs, especially against Orlando.

I don't disagree with trading one of the guards, but Brad didn't do it.

I was told Simons won't become a Celtic and will be gone by July 6.

So what happened?

I don't understand why you need 2 shooters when you're lacking a big man.


We need shooters at all five positions.

But you're being deliberately dense about Simons. There's no guarantee he makes it to training camp and even less chance he makes it to the all-star break.

You're starting to go too far in your personal references.
Scale it back.

Try focusing on the Subject Matter, and Not the Poster.


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Uh, no. He is being deliberately dense and trying to act cutesy about it.
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Post#1618 » by Parliament10 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 2:21 am

fallguy wrote:I don't care whatsoever about how well set up we are for 25-26. It's the ideal year to develop bigs and wings, try out unusual lineup combinations, take our lumps and see if we can find real contributors on low money. Wins and losses matter not a whit.

The entire ballgame is 26-27.

Agree, for the most part.
We do need to Develop. But, if we get into a position advance in the Playoffs, then I think that some bets are off.
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Post#1619 » by fallguy » Wed Jul 9, 2025 2:22 am

Fierce1 wrote:
fallguy wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Have you checked Sam's game log?

He was a non-factor in the playoffs, especially against Orlando.

I don't disagree with trading one of the guards, but Brad didn't do it.

I was told Simons won't become a Celtic and will be gone by July 6.

So what happened?

I don't understand why you need 2 shooters when you're lacking a big man.


We need shooters at all five positions.

But you're being deliberately dense about Simons. There's no guarantee he makes it to training camp and even less chance he makes it to the all-star break.

A compromise would be to trade Simons for a big.

But if Brad keeps Simons then the next option is to trade one of the shooters.

Need 5 shooters at all times is not doable now that Queta is the Center.

Or you want Niang at Center and Sam at PF?


I don't care if we have a logical lineup. I care about development.
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Post#1620 » by fallguy » Wed Jul 9, 2025 2:24 am

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fallguy wrote:I don't care whatsoever about how well set up we are for 25-26. It's the ideal year to develop bigs and wings, try out unusual lineup combinations, take our lumps and see if we can find real contributors on low money. Wins and losses matter not a whit.

The entire ballgame is 26-27.

Agree, for the most part.
We do need to Develop. But, if we get into a position advance in the Playoffs, then I think that some bets are off.


You make that call in Jan-Feb. Not now. But it's the longest of long shots we can do anything in the playoffs next year. If Tatum does come back (unlikely I think) he's not going full intensity in the playoffs. That would be malpractice.
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