Free Agency & Trades Thread 2 **NOW OPEN**

[Tor_Raps]

I think letting go of Ochai for RJ would be a pretty bad mistake.

Cheap 3&D guys are hard to come by but if the FO gets the sense that some team will be willing to pay Ochai in the off-season, I’d get it.

People who want to flip Ochai to get under the tax are crazy. He has skills of a starting calibre player on a good team, you dont get rid of those type of players unless another team makes it worth your while.

I'm hoping we are getting all these RJ rumours because the front office sees it the same way as well. No one else on the team is ready to start for a good team, which we are hoping to be next year.

I think Ochai could fetch us a nice first round pick with out taking on long term contracts. Which I think is a worth while gamble. Ochai won't be as enticing once he signs his new deal. I'm not even sure how much he would get.

Raptors are trying to win as soon as next year so keeping your best 3 and D player sounds like the obvious choice. Hes only entering RFA next offseason... we dont gotta worry about losing him.

[djsunyc]

outside of luck with wemby and maybe harper, the spurs haven't really done anything good.

scored fox for peanuts

i'm not a fan

[WuTang_CMB]

outside of luck with wemby and maybe harper, the spurs haven't really done anything good.

scored fox for peanuts

i'm not a fan

dont need to be , that was quick work

[Zeno]

outside of luck with wemby and maybe harper, the spurs haven't really done anything good.

scored fox for peanuts

i'm not a fan

And even if you were, they basically got him for peanuts based on having Wemby and no state tax probably. Masai would have been fired twice over before even having the chance to draft Wemby if he ran the Spurs.

[Gold Dragon]

malaki branham was the pick from the thad young trade down
wesley was same draft a few picks after

Interesting to see the ultimate outcome of these trades

TOR: Thad, Eubanks, Koloko (now all waived)
SAS: Dragic, and part of Olynyk

Wesley was part of the Derrick White trade
BOS: White
SAS: Devonte Graham and 4 2nds (via Josh Richardson), Romeo Langford, part of Olynyk and a pick swap in 2028

Meanwhile we picked up Olynyk with Ochai for
TOR: Olynyk (part of BI trade), Ochai
UTA: Otto Porter Jr, Kira Lewis and Isaiah Collier

[RaptorPride]

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At this point, I would just trade RJ for Demar. Production wise they are pretty similar but we get to duck the tax. Bring Demar home.

This is exactly what I was thinking for a while now. I didn't want to post anything about it since there would be so much hate for even bringing that up. So many people here hate RJ and want him gone but and the people who hated DeMar here would want to kill themselves if that happened.

With Masai gone I really think DeMar would be open to coming back and people here won't have to worry about extending the incoming player to a crazy contract like RJ. Max I think we get a first and DeMar. Unless Bucks come in and get him for Kuzma.

If you guys really want RJ gone this year I think DeMars probaly the best thing we could get that we won't have to worry about extending long term. Any other player we get for RJ will either demand a big contract as well or just a bunch of random players on **** contracts.

Me personally I would keep RJ as I think he can still get better and if the contract is to big you let him walk or maybe he would have earned it by then. I Would be fine with a DeMar deal if thats what it came to.

[RaptorPride]

People who want to flip Ochai to get under the tax are crazy. He has skills of a starting calibre player on a good team, you dont get rid of those type of players unless another team makes it worth your while.

I'm hoping we are getting all these RJ rumours because the front office sees it the same way as well. No one else on the team is ready to start for a good team, which we are hoping to be next year.

I think Ochai could fetch us a nice first round pick with out taking on long term contracts. Which I think is a worth while gamble. Ochai won't be as enticing once he signs his new deal. I'm not even sure how much he would get.

Raptors are trying to win as soon as next year so keeping your best 3 and D player sounds like the obvious choice. Hes only entering RFA next offseason... we dont gotta worry about losing him.

And that's why I think he's value is at an all time high right now. Trust me he won't be getting this same amount of love when he signs his new deal. I like Ochai and want to keep him long term but what will he demand? I feel like a team or two will overpay to get him in RFA which we might be better off selling right now when he has the most value if we get good offers.

[CazOnReal]

How much will Ochai get paid?

Not sure. My guess is around or less than MLE money so somewhere in that 12-14M AAV range for 3-4 years but it really depends on how much you believe his most recent season reflects his production expected in Years 5-8 of his NBA contract.

One other minor thing about Ochai: The Raptors having the issue of needing to combine 2 starters is the result of them not having that MLE-sized contract to make the money work for certain deals so keeping Ochai and/or splitting up RJ into smaller contracts makes that a lot easier/straightforward.

[RaptorPride]

How much will Ochai get paid?

Not sure. My guess is around or less than MLE money so somewhere in that 12-14M AAV range for 3-4 years but it really depends on how much you believe his most recent season reflects his production expected in Years 5-8 of his NBA contract.

One other minor thing about Ochai: The Raptors having the issue of needing to combine 2 starters is the result of them not having that MLE-sized contract to make the money work for certain deals so keeping Ochai and/or splitting up RJ into smaller contracts makes that a lot easier/straightforward.

I can see a team offer 20-25 mil a year. Royce O'Neale makes 10 mil a year and I easily see Ochai get double that in two years if he's the player we are hyping him up to be.

[NotMyKawhi]

How much will Ochai get paid?

Not sure. My guess is around or less than MLE money so somewhere in that 12-14M AAV range for 3-4 years but it really depends on how much you believe his most recent season reflects his production expected in Years 5-8 of his NBA contract.

One other minor thing about Ochai: The Raptors having the issue of needing to combine 2 starters is the result of them not having that MLE-sized contract to make the money work for certain deals so keeping Ochai and/or splitting up RJ into smaller contracts makes that a lot easier/straightforward.

I can see a team offer 20-25 mil a year. Royce O'Neale makes 10 mil a year and I easily see Ochai get double that in two years if he's the player we are hyping him up to be.

Nobody will give him that. Still not a top 15 free agent and theres no money. We should play hardball

[Tor_Raps]

Not sure. My guess is around or less than MLE money so somewhere in that 12-14M AAV range for 3-4 years but it really depends on how much you believe his most recent season reflects his production expected in Years 5-8 of his NBA contract.

One other minor thing about Ochai: The Raptors having the issue of needing to combine 2 starters is the result of them not having that MLE-sized contract to make the money work for certain deals so keeping Ochai and/or splitting up RJ into smaller contracts makes that a lot easier/straightforward.

I can see a team offer 20-25 mil a year. Royce O'Neale makes 10 mil a year and I easily see Ochai get double that in two years if he's the player we are hyping him up to be.

Nobody will give him that. Still not a top 15 free agent and theres no money. We should play hardball

We are in a new cap world where the 2nd apron is pretty much a hard cap. Ochai will not get 25M unless he has a crazy season and if he does that means its great for the Raptors. We can figure out how to handle the cap situation for next year, next year.

[LoveMyRaps]

RJ for Monk + Keegan makes sense for both sides.

I'd honestly rather keep RJ unless picks are involved. Monk ain't good and Keegan is a bust.

[WuTang_CMB]

How much will Ochai get paid?

Not sure. My guess is around or less than MLE money so somewhere in that 12-14M AAV range for 3-4 years but it really depends on how much you believe his most recent season reflects his production expected in Years 5-8 of his NBA contract.

One other minor thing about Ochai: The Raptors having the issue of needing to combine 2 starters is the result of them not having that MLE-sized contract to make the money work for certain deals so keeping Ochai and/or splitting up RJ into smaller contracts makes that a lot easier/straightforward.

I can see a team offer 20-25 mil a year. Royce O'Neale makes 10 mil a year and I easily see Ochai get double that in two years if he's the player we are hyping him up to be.

in the 2nd apron era? He would need to have another jump this season for him to sniff that.

[RaptorPride]

Not sure. My guess is around or less than MLE money so somewhere in that 12-14M AAV range for 3-4 years but it really depends on how much you believe his most recent season reflects his production expected in Years 5-8 of his NBA contract.

One other minor thing about Ochai: The Raptors having the issue of needing to combine 2 starters is the result of them not having that MLE-sized contract to make the money work for certain deals so keeping Ochai and/or splitting up RJ into smaller contracts makes that a lot easier/straightforward.

I can see a team offer 20-25 mil a year. Royce O'Neale makes 10 mil a year and I easily see Ochai get double that in two years if he's the player we are hyping him up to be.

Nobody will give him that. Still not a top 15 free agent and theres no money. We should play hardball

Like people said 3 & D guys are loved around the league and are the main types of players who end up getting over paid, especially by a contender. Like OG like I don't think he is worth his contract but since he's a 3 & D player he's getting paid like a super star.

[RaptorPride]

Not sure. My guess is around or less than MLE money so somewhere in that 12-14M AAV range for 3-4 years but it really depends on how much you believe his most recent season reflects his production expected in Years 5-8 of his NBA contract.

One other minor thing about Ochai: The Raptors having the issue of needing to combine 2 starters is the result of them not having that MLE-sized contract to make the money work for certain deals so keeping Ochai and/or splitting up RJ into smaller contracts makes that a lot easier/straightforward.

I can see a team offer 20-25 mil a year. Royce O'Neale makes 10 mil a year and I easily see Ochai get double that in two years if he's the player we are hyping him up to be.

in the 2nd apron era? He would need to have another jump this season for him to sniff that.

For sure, if we want to start him he will definitely see a jump in numbers and eyes on him around the league. I know people are scared about paying RJ but I can see Oachi having a great season and price us out easily. While it seems teams around the league don't value RJ as much so whos gonna pay him?

[RaptorPride]

I can see a team offer 20-25 mil a year. Royce O'Neale makes 10 mil a year and I easily see Ochai get double that in two years if he's the player we are hyping him up to be.

Nobody will give him that. Still not a top 15 free agent and theres no money. We should play hardball

We are in a new cap world where the 2nd apron is pretty much a hard cap. Ochai will not get 25M unless he has a crazy season and if he does that means its great for the Raptors. We can figure out how to handle the cap situation for next year, next year.

Of all the player types to get overpaid its 3 & D players. RJ would be someone who might struggle to get paid if he doesn't continue to improve his shooting with the new 2nd apron.

[Los_29]

outside of luck with wemby and maybe harper, the spurs haven't really done anything good.

scored fox for peanuts

i'm not a fan

Yeah, Fox wasn’t that highly sought after and heavily criticized in Sacramento. A good player but for some reason, his stock elevated the moment he left and arrived in San Antonio.

[CazOnReal]

Nobody will give him that. Still not a top 15 free agent and theres no money. We should play hardball

We are in a new cap world where the 2nd apron is pretty much a hard cap. Ochai will not get 25M unless he has a crazy season and if he does that means its great for the Raptors. We can figure out how to handle the cap situation for next year, next year.

Of all the player types to get overpaid its 3 & D players. RJ would be someone who might struggle to get paid if he doesn't continue to improve his shooting with the new 2nd apron.

We just saw NAW go for around the MLE.

Unless you're All-Defense or around that level, being a 3 & D wing isn't enough to earn you a major payday under the new CBA.

[Los_29]

scored fox for peanuts

i'm not a fan

And even if you were, they basically got him for peanuts based on having Wemby and no state tax probably. Masai would have been fired twice over before even having the chance to draft Wemby if he ran the Spurs.

Didn’t the Spurs give us Kawhi then proceeded to be a treadmill team for 4 years afterwards? Spurs have been poorly managed and their drafts have been a mixed bag. Sochan, Primo, Vassell, Johnson.

This isn’t 1998 anymore. Spurs can’t live off the Parker and Manu picks anymore. lol.

[RaptorPride]

We are in a new cap world where the 2nd apron is pretty much a hard cap. Ochai will not get 25M unless he has a crazy season and if he does that means its great for the Raptors. We can figure out how to handle the cap situation for next year, next year.

Of all the player types to get overpaid its 3 & D players. RJ would be someone who might struggle to get paid if he doesn't continue to improve his shooting with the new 2nd apron.

We just saw NAW go for around the MLE.

Unless you're All-Defense or around that level, being a 3 & D wing isn't enough to earn you a major payday under the new CBA.

He's getting paid 15 mill right now what's an extra 5 mill in two years? Look at KCP, these types of players get paid and if we start him he is definitely gonna put up way better stats.