Rumors, Random Thoughts, and Non-threadworthy Posts The 19th Hole

[SkyHook]

Thoughts on the Pistons signing Malik Beasley to a 3yr deal with only the first year guaranteed, strictly for salary matching purposes in a trade? He meets all of the criteria for a sign and trade. Only has early Bird rights, up to $7.2MM.

Might never get another contract at this point and he could use the money.

[Myth]

How many and which draft picks would Portland need to trade to swap Scoot Henderson with Tyrese Maxey? Maxey is definitely an upgrade now, and likely stays an upgrade, which Portland needs to start consolidating pieces to upgrade guard positions for the future, particularly bringing in a scoring punch after losing Simons. Maxey is kind of an expensive upgrade of Simons, but being not as bad at defense as Simons was is hugely important IMO. 76ers are kind of in a weird spot to me. They simultaneously have aging and injury concern expensive stars in Paul George and Embiid, but also likely just drafted a star SG. I think Scoot could be a good fit next to Edgecome as an unselfish player, and additional picks can help build around this backcourt of the future. Expiring contracts of Thybulle and Rob Williams could easily be used to match salaries, and Blazers can take in a bit more salary than they send out, so 76ers also save immediate money and longer term money as additional benefits. So what additional picks would be needed to get 76ers to bite?

[babyjax13]

Part of me want Utah to waive their ung. contracts and operate under the cap so they can sign Grimes. That might make us a bit too good to guarantee we are bottom 5-6 in the lottery odds, but he might be a long term piece. Then there are also the stalled Giddey negotiations. I am not enamored with him, but I could see us thinking at 25 million he would be good value.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

How many and which draft picks would Portland need to trade to swap Scoot Henderson with Tyrese Maxey? Maxey is definitely an upgrade now, and likely stays an upgrade, which Portland needs to start consolidating pieces to upgrade guard positions for the future, particularly bringing in a scoring punch after losing Simons. Maxey is kind of an expensive upgrade of Simons, but being not as bad at defense as Simons was is hugely important IMO. 76ers are kind of in a weird spot to me. They simultaneously have aging and injury concern expensive stars in Paul George and Embiid, but also likely just drafted a star SG. I think Scoot could be a good fit next to Edgecome as an unselfish player, and additional picks can help build around this backcourt of the future. Expiring contracts of Thybulle and Rob Williams could easily be used to match salaries, and Blazers can take in a bit more salary than they send out, so 76ers also save immediate money and longer term money as additional benefits. So what additional picks would be needed to get 76ers to bite?

Sixers just trade their old stars and keep maxey imo.

Scoot high end filler at this point. Would imagine sixers want a Desmond bane like package to go from maxey to scoot.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Is a kuzma for Immanuel quickley swap crazy for the bucks? Quickley overpaid but he a good fit for the bucks.

[Myth]

How many and which draft picks would Portland need to trade to swap Scoot Henderson with Tyrese Maxey? Maxey is definitely an upgrade now, and likely stays an upgrade, which Portland needs to start consolidating pieces to upgrade guard positions for the future, particularly bringing in a scoring punch after losing Simons. Maxey is kind of an expensive upgrade of Simons, but being not as bad at defense as Simons was is hugely important IMO. 76ers are kind of in a weird spot to me. They simultaneously have aging and injury concern expensive stars in Paul George and Embiid, but also likely just drafted a star SG. I think Scoot could be a good fit next to Edgecome as an unselfish player, and additional picks can help build around this backcourt of the future. Expiring contracts of Thybulle and Rob Williams could easily be used to match salaries, and Blazers can take in a bit more salary than they send out, so 76ers also save immediate money and longer term money as additional benefits. So what additional picks would be needed to get 76ers to bite?

Sixers just trade their old stars and keep maxey imo.

Scoot high end filler at this point. Would imagine sixers want a Desmond bane like package to go from maxey to scoot.

I would think the difference between Scoot and KCP would be worth 2 picks. Grizzlies got KCP, Cole Anthony’s expiring, 4 1sts + a swap. So would that be Scoot, 2 1sts + a swap, and the expirings?

[giberish]

Is a kuzma for Immanuel quickley swap crazy for the bucks? Quickley overpaid but he a good fit for the bucks.

It's crazy for Toronto. IQ is much better than Kuzma and fills a clear position for the Raptors. Mil doesn't have the assets to make such a swap.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

Is a kuzma for Immanuel quickley swap crazy for the bucks? Quickley overpaid but he a good fit for the bucks.

It's crazy for Toronto. IQ is much better than Kuzma and fills a clear position for the Raptors. Mil doesn't have the assets to make such a swap.

Benefits for raptors is not paying IQ 130 /4 . Could reset by paying kuzma 42/2. Not sure either player positive assets on their contracts

Raptors have to pay Ochai Agbaand Grady in the next two off seasons. Goal is raptors avoid tax.

Same concept could work for Barrett but trading him doesn't really help dodge taxes long term. Could dodge it next season with a Kuzma Barret swap. Gets a little muddy after that once Grady need a deal

[kobe_vs_jordan]

How many and which draft picks would Portland need to trade to swap Scoot Henderson with Tyrese Maxey? Maxey is definitely an upgrade now, and likely stays an upgrade, which Portland needs to start consolidating pieces to upgrade guard positions for the future, particularly bringing in a scoring punch after losing Simons. Maxey is kind of an expensive upgrade of Simons, but being not as bad at defense as Simons was is hugely important IMO. 76ers are kind of in a weird spot to me. They simultaneously have aging and injury concern expensive stars in Paul George and Embiid, but also likely just drafted a star SG. I think Scoot could be a good fit next to Edgecome as an unselfish player, and additional picks can help build around this backcourt of the future. Expiring contracts of Thybulle and Rob Williams could easily be used to match salaries, and Blazers can take in a bit more salary than they send out, so 76ers also save immediate money and longer term money as additional benefits. So what additional picks would be needed to get 76ers to bite?

Sixers just trade their old stars and keep maxey imo.

Scoot high end filler at this point. Would imagine sixers want a Desmond bane like package to go from maxey to scoot.

I would think the difference between Scoot and KCP would be worth 2 picks. Grizzlies got KCP, Cole Anthony’s expiring, 4 1sts + a swap. So would that be Scoot, 2 1sts + a swap, and the expirings?

Not sure magic would had paid two firsts to go from KCP to scoot but think 2 firsts, a swap , scoot and expiring a solid starting ground

I think Portland make their trade next off season. Scoot young enough to still break out.

[Myth]

Sixers just trade their old stars and keep maxey imo.

Scoot high end filler at this point. Would imagine sixers want a Desmond bane like package to go from maxey to scoot.

I would think the difference between Scoot and KCP would be worth 2 picks. Grizzlies got KCP, Cole Anthony’s expiring, 4 1sts + a swap. So would that be Scoot, 2 1sts + a swap, and the expirings?

Not sure magic would had paid two firsts to go from KCP to scoot but think 2 firsts, a swap , scoot and expiring a solid starting ground

I think Portland make their trade next off season. Scoot young enough to still break out.

I think so too now that most teams have probably made their big moves for the summer, but I think their big trade window closes after next summer once they start having to pay their younger core, so they should be looking for opportunities now and next summer being viewed as kind of a soft deadline.

[SkyHook]

Part of me want Utah to waive their ung. contracts and operate under the cap so they can sign Grimes. That might make us a bit too good to guarantee we are bottom 5-6 in the lottery odds, but he might be a long term piece. Then there are also the stalled Giddey negotiations. I am not enamored with him, but I could see us thinking at 25 million he would be good value.

Grimes? I'm genuinely surprised that you want him. I think he's iron pyrite; his leap forward was nothing more than a huge jump in minutes and usage on a team trying desperately to lose. He's significantly worse than Sexton on offense and nearly as bad on defense despite the physical tools to be far better. I would rather have extended Collin at a reasonable number than to overpay for Grimes now.

Giddey? Maybe I could be talked into that despite being opposed to taking him on in the past. A team friendly sign-and-trade that fits in under the Collins TPE?

[giberish]

Is a kuzma for Immanuel quickley swap crazy for the bucks? Quickley overpaid but he a good fit for the bucks.

It's crazy for Toronto. IQ is much better than Kuzma and fills a clear position for the Raptors. Mil doesn't have the assets to make such a swap.

Benefits for raptors is not paying IQ 130 /4 . Could reset by paying kuzma 42/2. Not sure either player positive assets on their contracts

Raptors have to pay Ochai Agbaand Grady in the next two off seasons. Goal is raptors avoid tax.

Same concept could work for Barrett but trading him doesn't really help dodge taxes long term. Could dodge it next season with a Kuzma Barret swap. Gets a little muddy after that once Grady need a deal

IQ's $5-10M/yr overpaid but trading him leaves Toronto with a gaping hole at starting PG. Unless they decide that their rebuild has totally failed and they need to re-tank I don't see it.

[SkyHook]

How plugged in is Jovan Buha?

"I mean, I want to be careful with what I say about Bron’s relationship with the front office or the organization, but I don’t think it’s in the best place right now, to be completely honest. As you know, there’s been no official statement about LeBron opting in. There typically is—especially for a player of that magnitude. And then he’s had his stuff on social media or whatever he’s posted, and there was obviously the statement when he opted in. So, I don’t think things are in the best place they’ve ever been. I’ll just say that. Make of that what you want.”

The Warriors still have the full NTMLE. I wonder if he would accept a buyout at this point where he gives back $14MM to be able to play elsewhere.

[zimpy27]

How plugged in is Jovan Buha?

"I mean, I want to be careful with what I say about Bron’s relationship with the front office or the organization, but I don’t think it’s in the best place right now, to be completely honest. As you know, there’s been no official statement about LeBron opting in. There typically is—especially for a player of that magnitude. And then he’s had his stuff on social media or whatever he’s posted, and there was obviously the statement when he opted in. So, I don’t think things are in the best place they’ve ever been. I’ll just say that. Make of that what you want.”

The Warriors still have the full NTMLE. I wonder if he would accept a buyout at this point where he gives back $14MM to be able to play elsewhere.

He covers the Lakers. He doesn't have inside Intel, he's just reading the information we all get.

But by covering the Lakers he knows how things have been and yes it's clear the Lakers are moving away from LeBron. Don't think it means he leaves though.

[DNP-Old]

How plugged in is Jovan Buha?

"I mean, I want to be careful with what I say about Bron’s relationship with the front office or the organization, but I don’t think it’s in the best place right now, to be completely honest. As you know, there’s been no official statement about LeBron opting in. There typically is—especially for a player of that magnitude. And then he’s had his stuff on social media or whatever he’s posted, and there was obviously the statement when he opted in. So, I don’t think things are in the best place they’ve ever been. I’ll just say that. Make of that what you want.”

The Warriors still have the full NTMLE. I wonder if he would accept a buyout at this point where he gives back $14MM to be able to play elsewhere.

A buyout, to me, makes no sense for LAL. If he offered to give back 30ish mil they would have to think about it but, if I'm LAL I would rather pay him 50m to stay at home than pay him 35m to play for someone else.

[Scoot McGroot]

Any reason to cred this guy?

Read on Twitter

Sorry for the days late bump (wrapping up a vacation), but Brett had not been credible in breaking news before this offseason, and I had not seen anything from him that was not already broken by others previously. He’s not been overly outlandish in his reports or clickbait, but he also hasn’t proven yet that he’s not just reading Stein, Shams, et al and re wording stuff as “what he’s hearing.”

Completely IMO, though.

[SkyHook]

How plugged in is Jovan Buha?

"I mean, I want to be careful with what I say about Bron’s relationship with the front office or the organization, but I don’t think it’s in the best place right now, to be completely honest. As you know, there’s been no official statement about LeBron opting in. There typically is—especially for a player of that magnitude. And then he’s had his stuff on social media or whatever he’s posted, and there was obviously the statement when he opted in. So, I don’t think things are in the best place they’ve ever been. I’ll just say that. Make of that what you want.”

The Warriors still have the full NTMLE. I wonder if he would accept a buyout at this point where he gives back $14MM to be able to play elsewhere.

A buyout, to me, makes no sense for LAL. If he offered to give back 30ish mil they would have to think about it but, if I'm LAL I would rather pay him 50m to stay at home than pay him 35m to play for someone else.

I was actually kicking around the idea of them trading him to Utah, to whom he has no value other than as an expiring and where I'm confident that he wouldn't want to play, on the condition of a prearranged buyout. LeBron + draft assets for Markannen. Sets the Lakers up better for the future with a locked up Robin to Luka's Batman.

[Godaddycurse]

It's crazy for Toronto. IQ is much better than Kuzma and fills a clear position for the Raptors. Mil doesn't have the assets to make such a swap.

Benefits for raptors is not paying IQ 130 /4 . Could reset by paying kuzma 42/2. Not sure either player positive assets on their contracts

Raptors have to pay Ochai Agbaand Grady in the next two off seasons. Goal is raptors avoid tax.

Same concept could work for Barrett but trading him doesn't really help dodge taxes long term. Could dodge it next season with a Kuzma Barret swap. Gets a little muddy after that once Grady need a deal

IQ's $5-10M/yr overpaid but trading him leaves Toronto with a gaping hole at starting PG. Unless they decide that their rebuild has totally failed and they need to re-tank I don't see it.

IQ's contract is flat, he wont be overpaid in another year or 2.
We can dodge the tax this and next year if we dump Agbaji (or RJ).
RJ's contract (and possibly ingram's) will be off the books when gradey needs a new contract (if he earns one).

[jayjaysee]

If Miami wanted Beal.. It wouldn’t hurt that much to trim 10 mil off Terry..

And if that did hurt too much, it wouldn’t hurt too much to trim 2-4 mil off Terry and then dump Simone.

Don’t think they are out on Beal at all..

But I would like to see Beal in Milwaukee. I know they don’t have full MLE, so Beal makes less money this season but he gets to be second option to Giannis… And then they can give him the full MLE next summer, even if it’s a 1+1po again next summer to establish early bird rights..

Expect Beal in LAC though.

[Godaddycurse]

If Miami wanted Beal.. It wouldn’t hurt that much to trim 10 mil off Terry..

And if that did hurt too much, it wouldn’t hurt too much to trim 2-4 mil off Terry and then dump Simone.

Don’t think they are out on Beal at all..

But I would like to see Beal in Milwaukee. I know they don’t have full MLE, so Beal makes less money this season but he gets to be second option to Giannis… And then they can give him the full MLE next summer, even if it’s a 1+1po again next summer to establish early bird rights..

Expect Beal in LAC though.

i think miami is out unless norm is ok with coming off the bench in a walk year (doubtful)