Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread

[Fierce1]

I expect the Celtics to be a 45-50 win team this season unless Brown or White goes down with an injury.
Anfernee Simons for Marcus Smart? Sign me up.

Simons for Marcus is not a smart move.

[cloverleaf]

Starting Hauser or Tillman would be terrorism. Brown and White should demand a trade if that happens. They will make a trade to add front court scoring. No way they go into the season with that WNBA front court.

Sam averaged 29 minutes in his 19 starts last season and he was great, shooting .447 from 3 with a .677 TS%.

Yeah, his DRTG ticked up to 120, but his ORTG was 138

[tfmiii]

I still can’t believe Danny Ainge helped Pat Riley land Norman Powell. Heat didn’t give up anything at all.

Hence his nickname "the snake" - cold-blooded

[bucknersrevenge]

That's because Niang is better inside the 3pt line.

We can agree to disagree about who's better, but one has to go.

And the tax seems to be a secondary issue as seen by not trading Simons before the trade became official.

You haven't explained why one has to go. This is a made up choice.

One has to go because both are shooters and the Cs are lacking a big man.

One shooter and one big man is more balanced than 2 shooters and no big man.

I don't know that it has to be immediately but I get where you're coming from I think. We have a lot of wings on this team to develop: Baylor, Hugo, Minott (who I'd like to see gain a little weight to guard up to 4's). And we still have Jaylen and Hauser. Those guys will need minutes over the next few years because we have to hit on some cheap talent if we're gonna balance out this expensive roster. Hauser is an easy to move inexpensive piece that might get you something, especially if you choose to aggregate him with another salary like Niang or Simons who won't fetch much by himself due to his expiring deal.

This is why I'd rather Jaylen not play much this year because he's not needed. But since I rarely get what I want and JB is likely to play 34-ish mpg this year, that doesn't leave many minutes behind him. So whether it be before, during or after the season, I think at least one of Niang or Hauser or Simons if not 2 of the 3 will have to get moved. And if so, preferably for an upgrade at the big position.

[Fierce1]

Starting Hauser or Tillman would be terrorism. Brown and White should demand a trade if that happens. They will make a trade to add front court scoring. No way they go into the season with that WNBA front court.

Sam averaged 29 minutes in his 19 starts last season and he was great, shooting .447 from 3 with a .677 TS%.

Yeah, his DRTG ticked up to 120, but his ORTG was 138

Sam is a great regular season player.

But look at what Orlando did to Sam in the 1st rnd of the playoffs.

When the game becomes more physical and the intensity is up, Sam struggles because he's just a shooter and nothing more.

Sam is basically a specialist.

[cl2117]

I want to keep Sam just to see if he can break out of his box this season with less pressure on the team and more opportunities out there to be a scorer.

I was also a little disappointed with Sam last year. He seemed to stagnate a bit after having made some pretty impressive strides in recent years. He didn't take a step back, he was pretty much exactly the same player he had been last season, which is still a solid NBA role-player and worthy of the contract he's on now but this may just be his ceiling.

Pritchard in comparison took such a huge leap forward that I think it made Sam's plateauing even more apparent. I had given Hauser the benefit of the doubt because he was dealing with back issues but I think looking at the season as a whole and his role/counting stats it just seems like this is likely exactly who he is going to be going forward. Really high floor but this is the ceiling as well.

I'd like to give him a chance to prove that wrong this year though. Part of what's great about Sam is that he knows his role, but this would be the season to try to expand that if he has it in him. Too many games he was an afterthought unless he was getting a wide open look or a play was drawn up for him. This would be a great opportunity for him to try his hand out at being a true flamethrower akin to a younger Klay Thompson (albeit obviously not on the same level). Try to generate scoring no matter what, fire away at all times, add in some attempts at actually putting the ball on the floor, but leave no game where you haven't at least taken 10 shots. This year it doesn't matter if you go 0-10 or 10-10, it'd be about developing that mentality that he has the green light to be a microwave scorer not just a spot up shooter (assuming he has that in him).

That play style seems more like something that will come naturally to guys like Simos and Baylor, but I would like to see Sam try to take the bull by the horns and shoehorn himself in there before he's relegated to getting back in his 3&D box.

Even if he doesn't break out that box I'd still be happy to keep him long-term because his skillset is so valuable, but I'd be far more open to trading him because at least we would have turned him upside down and given him a good hard shake to see if he has anything else in the tank before shipping him off.

[Fierce1]

Sam was perfect with a healthy KP and a productive Jrue Holiday.

But right now Sam is more of a luxury than a need.

Cs have more than enough shooters, PP, Niang, Simons, and Baylor.

Problem with Sam is he's soft.
He gets pushed around by stronger players and he's not a threat to drive to the basket.

If it's between Niang and Sam, Niang has more tricks.

Niang even gets under your skin and doesn't shy away from physicality.

The 1st rnd series against Orlando really exposed Sam Hauser.

[cloverleaf]

I expect the Celtics to be a 45-50 win team this season unless Brown or White goes down with an injury.
Anfernee Simons for Marcus Smart? Sign me up.

Ugh. The team doesn't need to get distorted and captured by Smart's ego once again.

Meanwhile, this guy bummed me out about Amari:

Watch on YouTube

[phincsfan]

I want to keep Sam just to see if he can break out of his box this season with less pressure on the team and more opportunities out there to be a scorer.

I was also a little disappointed with Sam last year. He seemed to stagnate a bit after having made some pretty impressive strides in recent years. He didn't take a step back, he was pretty much exactly the same player he had been last season, which is still a solid NBA role-player and worthy of the contract he's on now but this may just be his ceiling.

Pritchard in comparison took such a huge leap forward that I think it made Sam's plateauing even more apparent. I had given Hauser the benefit of the doubt because he was dealing with back issues but I think looking at the season as a whole and his role/counting stats it just seems like this is likely exactly who he is going to be going forward. Really high floor but this is the ceiling as well.

I'd like to give him a chance to prove that wrong this year though. Part of what's great about Sam is that he knows his role, but this would be the season to try to expand that if he has it in him. Too many games he was an afterthought unless he was getting a wide open look or a play was drawn up for him. This would be a great opportunity for him to try his hand out at being a true flamethrower akin to a younger Klay Thompson (albeit obviously not on the same level). Try to generate scoring no matter what, fire away at all times, add in some attempts at actually putting the ball on the floor, but leave no game where you haven't at least taken 10 shots. This year it doesn't matter if you go 0-10 or 10-10, it'd be about developing that mentality that he has the green light to be a microwave scorer not just a spot up shooter (assuming he has that in him).

That play style seems more like something that will come naturally to guys like Simos and Baylor, but I would like to see Sam try to take the bull by the horns and shoehorn himself in there before he's relegated to getting back in his 3&D box.

Even if he doesn't break out that box I'd still be happy to keep him long-term because his skillset is so valuable, but I'd be far more open to trading him because at least we would have turned him upside down and given him a good hard shake to see if he has anything else in the tank before shipping him off.

I’m a big Sam fan also. I think the finals and the little preseason he had he showed some strides on both sides of the ball.

In defense of Sam, he was injured. Back injuries suck because you never really know when you’re truly good to go. There’s no surgery to really fix it while it’s happening like other injuries. You wake up, stretch, feel good, give it a go and then bam, the spasms start. Rinse repeat. It’s pretty hard to play through it. Theres a bunch of videos of Larry talking about his back issues. He had legit vertebrae issues and degenerative issues.

I’m sure Sam’s done everything this offseason to get back to 100%. Rest, core strengthening.

This could be Sam’s breakout season.

[gocelts]

Bottom line, when Sam isn’t hitting shots, he’s a liability. He’s fine when he’s on.

[cl2117]

Sam was perfect with a healthy KP and a productive Jrue Holiday.

But right now Sam is more of a luxury than a need.

Cs have more than enough shooters, PP, Niang, Simons, and Baylor.

Problem with Sam is he's soft.
He gets pushed around by stronger players and he's not a threat to drive to the basket.

If it's between Niang and Sam, Niang has more tricks.

Niang even gets under your skin and doesn't shy away from physicality.

The 1st rnd series against Orlando really exposed Sam Hauser.

Niang is 5 years older and expiring though. Keep the younger guy who is already locked in on a solid contract and keep developing him with more minutes.

Don't dump him as a "luxury" in a bridge season to keep a guy who is at best marginally better and could easily jump ship next summer. We don't need to balance the roster for next year, we need to keep and develop pieces that are going to be able to contribute thereafter. Hauser is the clear choice between the two.

[Fierce1]

Sam was perfect with a healthy KP and a productive Jrue Holiday.

But right now Sam is more of a luxury than a need.

Cs have more than enough shooters, PP, Niang, Simons, and Baylor.

Problem with Sam is he's soft.
He gets pushed around by stronger players and he's not a threat to drive to the basket.

If it's between Niang and Sam, Niang has more tricks.

Niang even gets under your skin and doesn't shy away from physicality.

The 1st rnd series against Orlando really exposed Sam Hauser.

Niang is 5 years older and expiring though. Keep the younger guy who is already locked in on a solid contract and keep developing him with more minutes.

Don't dump him as a "luxury" in a bridge season to keep a guy who is at best marginally better and could easily jump ship next summer. We don't need to balance the roster for next year, we need to keep and develop pieces that are going to be able to contribute thereafter. Hauser is the clear choice between the two.

The verdict will come out at the Feb. trade deadline.

I will be surprised if both Sam and Niang are still with the Cs after deadline.

[Fierce1]

Bottom line, when Sam isn’t hitting shots, he’s a liability. He’s fine when he’s on.

Accurate explanation of Sam.

[tfribs45]

Starting Hauser or Tillman would be terrorism. Brown and White should demand a trade if that happens. They will make a trade to add front court scoring. No way they go into the season with that WNBA front court.

Sam averaged 29 minutes in his 19 starts last season and he was great, shooting .447 from 3 with a .677 TS%.

Yeah, his DRTG ticked up to 120, but his ORTG was 138

Sam is a great regular season player.

But look at what Orlando did to Sam in the 1st rnd of the playoffs.

When the game becomes more physical and the intensity is up, Sam struggles because he's just a shooter and nothing more.

Sam is basically a specialist.

agreed , going to be a long season if Hauser's in our starting lineup. Sam was average at best last year and if the shots not falling, have a seat on the bench! PP should be our sixth man still as well.... Plenty of talent on this roster to compete, still need to address the 5 spot, especially with Al possibly leaving or retiring.

[Fencer reregistered]

I still can’t believe Danny Ainge helped Pat Riley land Norman Powell. Heat didn’t give up anything at all.

Hence his nickname "the snake" - cold-blooded

https://brobible.com/sports/article/pat-riley-danny-ainge-feud/

[phincsfan]

I still can’t believe Danny Ainge helped Pat Riley land Norman Powell. Heat didn’t give up anything at all.

Hence his nickname "the snake" - cold-blooded

https://brobible.com/sports/article/pat-riley-danny-ainge-feud/

Is helping the Heat a bad thing for this particular season.

IMO, it's a good year to be in the lottery.

Anything to get closer to AJ Dybantsa is a good thing.

[Fierce1]

Simons and Hauser for Vuc and Coby White.

Cs get the big man and the dynamic scoring guard and the Cs get below the 2nd apron.

[chrisab123]

I expect the Celtics to be a 45-50 win team this season unless Brown or White goes down with an injury.
Anfernee Simons for Marcus Smart? Sign me up.

Simons for Marcus is not a smart move.

Please no. Please just let Marcus go. This team will never win with Marcus on it. At least Simons might be half way decent from 3. Marcus will go back to thinking he’s the 1st option during crunch time when Tatum returns and pull his Steph Curry impressions again.

[tfribs45]

If Wizards cut ties and pay the tab, BRING BACK MAHCUS SMAHHHHHHHHHT!

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