Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread

[Hal14]

I was expecting Al or Luke to return, but if our best Center right now is Queta and our starting PF will be Niang or Hauser, it's going to be a disaster.

The Cs will get abused inside the paint so badly.

Good, then we'll get a better draft pick.

We're not trying to win this season.

This season is simply about savings $, getting under the 2nd apron to avoid the basketball penalties, developing our young guys, load managing our vets and start figuring out what the roster will look like when we're back in title contention in 26-27 with a healthy Tatum.

Why do people keep saying this? We may not be putting everything in the pot like we did for the jrue and kp window, but they aren’t trying to lose either. Too many good players here to lose enough for the lotto. Sure, it’s all opinion at this point, but we’re too good to be in the lotto.

Winning and winning it all are two different things in a way. Cavs are the example.

The Cavs were absolutely trying to win it all last season. They came up short. But they had one of the greatest regular seasons of all time. They added Hunter at the deadline. Every offseason for the past few years they have added guys (including Donovan Mitchell) with 1 goal in mind behind every move: building a championship team.

This is our offseason in a nuthsell:

Read on Twitter

The goal with these moves was to cut costs and dip under the 2nd apron. Brad even admitted in yesterday's presser that the 2nd apron is why he traded Jrue and KP.

Not to mention Tatum is out for the year.

I'm not saying that we're tanking. But I also wouldn't be surprised if we end up doing that - depending on how the team is doing early in the season. The Mavs last year, after Kyrie tore his ACL - they tanked and ended up getting the no. 1 pick in the draft - Cooper Flagg.

Embiid was hurt for Philly. Missed most of the season. What did they do? Tanked, got the 3rd pick in the draft. Wemby got hurt, season ending injury. What did the spurs do? Tanked and got the 2nd pick in the draft. Warriors when Klay and Steph were injured? They tanked and got the 2nd pick in the draft (bad pick with Wiseman) and then got 2 lottery picks (2 more bad picks with Kuminga and Moody).

Luka was injured late in the 22-23. season. Mavs sat him out a lot and. even got fined for tanking - it worked out though, as they ended up with the 12th pick, took Lively who ended up being a key big for them when they made the finals the next season. Now they have their C for the future.

Kawhi missed entire 21-22 season. But the clippers had already traded away their 1st round pick in the 2022 draft. So therefore it didn't make sense for them to tank since they didn't own their FRP. But they still ended up losing in the play in tournament, with their best player out for the year. Their pick went to OKC, who took Jalen Williams with the 12th pick. Jdub turned out to be a star and help lead OKC to the 2025 title. So obviously, if Clippers had their pick in that draft it would've made more sense to tank (with Kawhi out for the year)..they would've tanked and ended up with an even higher pick than 12th..

Not saying we're tanking. But if that ends up happening, it shouldn't shock anyone.

[Hal14]

Sam was perfect with a healthy KP and a productive Jrue Holiday.

But right now Sam is more of a luxury than a need.

Cs have more than enough shooters, PP, Niang, Simons, and Baylor.

Problem with Sam is he's soft.
He gets pushed around by stronger players and he's not a threat to drive to the basket.

If it's between Niang and Sam, Niang has more tricks.

Niang even gets under your skin and doesn't shy away from physicality.

The 1st rnd series against Orlando really exposed Sam Hauser.

Niang is 5 years older and expiring though. Keep the younger guy who is already locked in on a solid contract and keep developing him with more minutes.

Don't dump him as a "luxury" in a bridge season to keep a guy who is at best marginally better and could easily jump ship next summer. We don't need to balance the roster for next year, we need to keep and develop pieces that are going to be able to contribute thereafter. Hauser is the clear choice between the two.

Hauser is on a more expensive contract, though. Roughly $11 mil a year. Niang is like $8mil this year. And since he's 32, maybe we're able to extend him for a couple more years at only like $4mil a year. So that's significant cost savings, for arguably a better player. And those cost. savings are crucial, given our financial situation.

Sure, Sam is younger and locked in for more years on his deal. Which means we could get more value for him in a trade.

[hugepatsfan]

I don't understand where this Niang love comes from. Hauser is a better shooter and defender. Hauser has a better career offensive rebounding % and the exact same career defensive rebounding %.

There's this idea that Niang is some tough rugged defender because he takes a couple cheap shots per game after someone blows by his cement block feet atrocious defense. No one fears Niang. No one thinks he's tough guy. He's a cheap shot artists and dirty player but not an actually good one where that type of enforced mentality benefits you and makes your opponents think.

And all this talk about him having more on offense than just shooting... he takes 2 field goal attempts from inside the arc per game compared to 1 for Hauser. Not a big difference, and Hauser shoots a better %. Oh, maybe the field attempts don't show it because he gets to the line? That'd be a valid counter, except that Niang only averages 1 free throw attempt every 2 games. That's double Hauser's rate, but so insignificant.

I think it's fair to say Niang is better on offense outside of shooting than Hauser but it's such a laughably immaterial volume that it doesn't really mean anything compared to Hauser not being an absolute sieve on defense and being a way better shooter in terms of actually having gravity and drawing defensive attention for it.

I'd actually like to keep Niang if tax situation allows it, but not because of this nonsense about him actually being decent. It's because he's that blend of being bad enough to only get a likely minimum salary on his next deal but also being decent enough that him on a minimum is also a nice fill the roster move. So with his connections to the area, if we keep him, I figure we can get a decent vet min signing for next year to fill in some spot minutes at the 4 behind Tatum when he's back.

If they can move Hauser for a starting big I'd do that, independent of Niang. But any trade of a non-starting player like Hauser for a starting player is always unrealistic in my mind.

[Larry_Russell]

I don't understand where this Niang love comes from. Hauser is a better shooter and defender. Hauser has a better career offensive rebounding % and the exact same career defensive rebounding %.

There's this idea that Niang is some tough rugged defender because he takes a couple cheap shots per game after someone blows by his cement block feet atrocious defense. No one fears Niang. No one thinks he's tough guy. He's a cheap shot artists and dirty player but not an actually good one where that type of enforced mentality benefits you and makes your opponents think.

And all this talk about him having more on offense than just shooting... he takes 2 field goal attempts from inside the arc per game compared to 1 for Hauser. Not a big difference, and Hauser shoots a better %. Oh, maybe the field attempts don't show it because he gets to the line? That'd be a valid counter, except that Niang only averages 1 free throw attempt every 2 games. That's double Hauser's rate, but so insignificant.

I think it's fair to say Niang is better on offense outside of shooting than Hauser but it's such a laughably immaterial volume that it doesn't really mean anything compared to Hauser not being an absolute sieve on defense and being a way better shooter in terms of actually having gravity and drawing defensive attention for it.

I'd actually like to keep Niang if tax situation allows it, but not because of this nonsense about him actually being decent. It's because he's that blend of being bad enough to only get a likely minimum salary on his next deal but also being decent enough that him on a minimum is also a nice fill the roster move. So with his connections to the area, if we keep him, I figure we can get a decent vet min signing for next year to fill in some spot minutes at the 4 behind Tatum when he's back.

If they can move Hauser for a starting big I'd do that, independent of Niang. But any trade of a non-starting player like Hauser for a starting player is always unrealistic in my mind.

people are trying to love Niang for the same reason they are trying to love simons.

Brad traded for them and that means they are awesome.

[winsomme2]

Good, then we'll get a better draft pick.

We're not trying to win this season.

This season is simply about savings $, getting under the 2nd apron to avoid the basketball penalties, developing our young guys, load managing our vets and start figuring out what the roster will look like when we're back in title contention in 26-27 with a healthy Tatum.

Why do people keep saying this? We may not be putting everything in the pot like we did for the jrue and kp window, but they aren’t trying to lose either. Too many good players here to lose enough for the lotto. Sure, it’s all opinion at this point, but we’re too good to be in the lotto.

Winning and winning it all are two different things in a way. Cavs are the example.

The Cavs were absolutely trying to win it all last season. They came up short. But they had one of the greatest regular seasons of all time. They added Hunter at the deadline. Every offseason for the past few years they have added guys (including Donovan Mitchell) with 1 goal in mind behind every move: building a championship team.

This is our offseason in a nuthsell:

Read on Twitter

The goal with these moves was to cut costs and dip under the 2nd apron. Brad even admitted in yesterday's presser that the 2nd apron is why he traded Jrue and KP.

Not to mention Tatum is out for the year.

I'm not saying that we're tanking. But I also wouldn't be surprised if we end up doing that - depending on how the team is doing early in the season. The Mavs last year, after Kyrie tore his ACL - they tanked and ended up getting the no. 1 pick in the draft - Cooper Flagg.

Embiid was hurt for Philly. Missed most of the season. What did they do? Tanked, got the 3rd pick in the draft. Wemby got hurt, season ending injury. What did the spurs do? Tanked and got the 2nd pick in the draft. Warriors when Klay and Steph were injured? They tanked and got the 2nd pick in the draft (bad pick with Wiseman) and then got 2 lottery picks (2 more bad picks with Kuminga and Moody).

Luka was injured late in the 22-23. season. Mavs sat him out a lot and. even got fined for tanking - it worked out though, as they ended up with the 12th pick, took Lively who ended up being a key big for them when they made the finals the next season. Now they have their C for the future.

Not saying we're tanking. But if that ends up happening, it shouldn't shock anyone.

Tatum is not out for the year. Brad said yesterday that there is no timeline for his return and that he will play when he has recovered.

When exactly that is is not known by anyone at this point.

Also, there is a difference between “going below the second apron” and being a lottery team. Just because we are making moves to get below the second apron does not mean Brad’s plan is turn the team into a lottery team.

[celticgreenie]

The Boston Celtics are continuing to be active in trade talks as they are evaluating their options on moving Anfernee Simons to another team after acquiring him from the Portland Trail Blazers as part of the Jrue Holiday deal. Simons, who is represented by Bill Duffy, is on an expiring contract worth $27.7 million. “I have talked to other teams who have said they are actively trying to trade Anfernee Simons,” said Brian Windhorst on Wednesday’s Hoop Collective Podcast. “Whether they can or not is another [thing].” – via RealGM

I'll take Malik Monk who makes cheaper money.

[SuperDeluxe]

people are trying to love Niang for the same reason they are trying to love simons.

Brad traded for them and that means they are awesome.

Really? I was thinking these two warm bodies are the best trash that Brad could get in order to get out of the 2nd apron. I have no love for either, but I understand why the trades happened. Not only that: like most here, I knew the trades were coming so I'm not complaining like an unattended baby with a huge diaper load.

[Hal14]

Why do people keep saying this? We may not be putting everything in the pot like we did for the jrue and kp window, but they aren’t trying to lose either. Too many good players here to lose enough for the lotto. Sure, it’s all opinion at this point, but we’re too good to be in the lotto.

Winning and winning it all are two different things in a way. Cavs are the example.

The Cavs were absolutely trying to win it all last season. They came up short. But they had one of the greatest regular seasons of all time. They added Hunter at the deadline. Every offseason for the past few years they have added guys (including Donovan Mitchell) with 1 goal in mind behind every move: building a championship team.

This is our offseason in a nuthsell:

Read on Twitter

The goal with these moves was to cut costs and dip under the 2nd apron. Brad even admitted in yesterday's presser that the 2nd apron is why he traded Jrue and KP.

Not to mention Tatum is out for the year.

I'm not saying that we're tanking. But I also wouldn't be surprised if we end up doing that - depending on how the team is doing early in the season. The Mavs last year, after Kyrie tore his ACL - they tanked and ended up getting the no. 1 pick in the draft - Cooper Flagg.

Embiid was hurt for Philly. Missed most of the season. What did they do? Tanked, got the 3rd pick in the draft. Wemby got hurt, season ending injury. What did the spurs do? Tanked and got the 2nd pick in the draft. Warriors when Klay and Steph were injured? They tanked and got the 2nd pick in the draft (bad pick with Wiseman) and then got 2 lottery picks (2 more bad picks with Kuminga and Moody).

Luka was injured late in the 22-23. season. Mavs sat him out a lot and. even got fined for tanking - it worked out though, as they ended up with the 12th pick, took Lively who ended up being a key big for them when they made the finals the next season. Now they have their C for the future.

Not saying we're tanking. But if that ends up happening, it shouldn't shock anyone.

Tatum is not out for the year. Brad said yesterday that there is no timeline for his return and that he will play when he has recovered.

When exactly that is is not known by anyone at this point.

Also, there is a difference between “going below the second apron” and being a lottery team. Just because we are making moves to get below the second apron does not mean Brad’s plan is turn the team into a lottery team.

It's my opinion that he'll be out for the year. A very educated guess.

Average recovery time for torn achilles is 10-14 months. Even if it's 10 months, that would be mid March 2025. There's literally no precedent for a player coming back that late in the season from an injury that severe.

It's not worth bringing him back then..not worth taking the chance that he comes back too soon, re-injures it and then is out for even longer (like what happened to Kobe and many others).

This article from today, Windhorst says, ""The Celtics are approximately $20 million over the luxury tax and getting below it during a season where they will be without Jayson Tatum as he recovers from his Achilles injury would be beneficial long-term."

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/281321/Celtics-Continue-To-Explore-Trading-Anfernee-Simons#:~:text=The%20Boston%20Celtics%20are%20continuing,expiring%20contract%20worth%20%2427.7%20million.

Yesterday KD said, the most important advice for him to players recovering from a torn achilles is accepting the fact that they will "be out for a year" and coming to terms with it.

Read on Twitter

Also, I didn't say we'd be in the lottery. I didn't say we'd be tanking. I simply said to not be surprised if it happens - and pointed out several examples where star players had serious long term injuries and their teams tanked for a better draft pick - that's all..

[cloverleaf]

KD's story explains why they'd have Tatum in the pool so quickly: Not wanting the muscles in that calf to be shut down longer than necessary.

And that dynamic of peeling off old players while adding younger ones is pretty much always operative on every team. Yeah, the C's got younger and less experienced, but to compare reasonably you have to look at whole rosters, not just the goodbyes and hellos.

[Infinite Llamas]

I know people have gotten used to the C’s being toward the top of the food chain and it’s hard to accept that they won’t be good this year…but they won’t be good this year. And that’s ok. There’s a lot of talent in the next draft and it’s not a bad thing to have an off year with the big picture in sight. I expect Brown and White to miss a lot of games next year. Game 82 might be the norm for a bit. Again. I’m ok with it if it helps us in the long haul.

Making the playoffs 16 out of 17 years may have spoiled us a bit. I’m not saying I want to see a tank but I think it’s sadly, the best option.

[playa-hater]

Listen, I have been one of the biggest fans of Sam Hauser on here. But at this time you absolutely look to trade him. Keeping Sam, just keeps the logjam ahead of Rico and Hugo. what the hell was the purpose in drafting a Wing in RD1 when we desperately needed a talented Big like Fleming, but instead choose Hugo, only to have him sit behind Brown-White and Sam Hauser with probably Rico in waiting above him. Ditto for Walsh and the others we signed.

Hugo needs to play a ton this year. Tatum comes back next season Hugo's chances get even worse.

[Hal14]

I don't understand where this Niang love comes from. Hauser is a better shooter and defender. Hauser has a better career offensive rebounding % and the exact same career defensive rebounding %.

There's this idea that Niang is some tough rugged defender because he takes a couple cheap shots per game after someone blows by his cement block feet atrocious defense. No one fears Niang. No one thinks he's tough guy. He's a cheap shot artists and dirty player but not an actually good one where that type of enforced mentality benefits you and makes your opponents think.

And all this talk about him having more on offense than just shooting... he takes 2 field goal attempts from inside the arc per game compared to 1 for Hauser. Not a big difference, and Hauser shoots a better %. Oh, maybe the field attempts don't show it because he gets to the line? That'd be a valid counter, except that Niang only averages 1 free throw attempt every 2 games. That's double Hauser's rate, but so insignificant.

I think it's fair to say Niang is better on offense outside of shooting than Hauser but it's such a laughably immaterial volume that it doesn't really mean anything compared to Hauser not being an absolute sieve on defense and being a way better shooter in terms of actually having gravity and drawing defensive attention for it.

I'd actually like to keep Niang if tax situation allows it, but not because of this nonsense about him actually being decent. It's because he's that blend of being bad enough to only get a likely minimum salary on his next deal but also being decent enough that him on a minimum is also a nice fill the roster move. So with his connections to the area, if we keep him, I figure we can get a decent vet min signing for next year to fill in some spot minutes at the 4 behind Tatum when he's back.

If they can move Hauser for a starting big I'd do that, independent of Niang. But any trade of a non-starting player like Hauser for a starting player is always unrealistic in my mind.

You basically said all of that word for word the other day. We don't have to agree with it.

Again, you're grossly underselling Niang's defense imo. He doesn't play "atrocious defense" and he's not "an absolute sieve imo. Niang isn't an elite defender but neither is Hauser. Hauser has his issues on D as well. He isn't nearly as strong as Niang, so bigger/stronger players are able to push him around, and drive on him easily. And quicker/shiftier drivers are able to drive past him.

Are we really going to pretend we haven't seen Hauser get abused on D many times over the years?

They're comparable as shooters, defenders and rebounders imo. But again, as I just said the other day when I replied to your post where you basically said all of this same stuff word for word, Niang is significantly better in terms of passing, setting screens, handling the ball, driving, post moves, finishing through contact, being able to create his own shot, being able to bring the ball up the floor..just much more of a threat with the ball in his hands and much stronger physically.

Agree to disagree

[celticgreenie]

Listen, I have been one of the biggest fans of Sam Hauser on here. But at this time you absolutely look to trade him. Keeping Sam, just keeps the logjam ahead of Rico and Hugo. what the hell was the purpose in drafting a Wing in RD1 when we desperately needed a talented Big like Fleming, but instead choose Hugo, only to have him sit behind Brown-White and Sam Hauser with probably Rico in waiting above him. Ditto for Walsh and the others we signed.

Hugo needs to play a ton this year. Tatum comes back next season Hugo's chances get even worse.

Agree with this long term view but wonder if Brad really sees Sam as a luxury like it is.

[cloverleaf]

Listen, I have been one of the biggest fans of Sam Hauser on here. But at this time you absolutely look to trade him. Keeping Sam, just keeps the logjam ahead of Rico and Hugo. what the hell was the purpose in drafting a Wing in RD1 when we desperately needed a talented Big like Fleming, but instead choose Hugo, only to have him sit behind Brown-White and Sam Hauser with probably Rico in waiting above him. Ditto for Walsh and the others we signed.

Hugo needs to play a ton this year. Tatum comes back next season Hugo's chances get even worse.

I think he may well go still, but Rico and Hugo are more pegged for the 2 and 3 IMO, with Sammy at the 4.

(And I think it could take 18 months for Hugo to get the NBA 3 down, but his D and general playing smarts will make him a rotational player right off.

[Shak_Celts]

I don't understand where this Niang love comes from. Hauser is a better shooter and defender. Hauser has a better career offensive rebounding % and the exact same career defensive rebounding %.

There's this idea that Niang is some tough rugged defender because he takes a couple cheap shots per game after someone blows by his cement block feet atrocious defense. No one fears Niang. No one thinks he's tough guy. He's a cheap shot artists and dirty player but not an actually good one where that type of enforced mentality benefits you and makes your opponents think.

And all this talk about him having more on offense than just shooting... he takes 2 field goal attempts from inside the arc per game compared to 1 for Hauser. Not a big difference, and Hauser shoots a better %. Oh, maybe the field attempts don't show it because he gets to the line? That'd be a valid counter, except that Niang only averages 1 free throw attempt every 2 games. That's double Hauser's rate, but so insignificant.

I think it's fair to say Niang is better on offense outside of shooting than Hauser but it's such a laughably immaterial volume that it doesn't really mean anything compared to Hauser not being an absolute sieve on defense and being a way better shooter in terms of actually having gravity and drawing defensive attention for it.

I'd actually like to keep Niang if tax situation allows it, but not because of this nonsense about him actually being decent. It's because he's that blend of being bad enough to only get a likely minimum salary on his next deal but also being decent enough that him on a minimum is also a nice fill the roster move. So with his connections to the area, if we keep him, I figure we can get a decent vet min signing for next year to fill in some spot minutes at the 4 behind Tatum when he's back.

If they can move Hauser for a starting big I'd do that, independent of Niang. But any trade of a non-starting player like Hauser for a starting player is always unrealistic in my mind.

people are trying to love Niang for the same reason they are trying to love simons.

Brad traded for them and that means they are awesome.

Must be the same reason you’re trying to hate them?

[winsomme2]

The Cavs were absolutely trying to win it all last season. They came up short. But they had one of the greatest regular seasons of all time. They added Hunter at the deadline. Every offseason for the past few years they have added guys (including Donovan Mitchell) with 1 goal in mind behind every move: building a championship team.

This is our offseason in a nuthsell:

Read on Twitter

The goal with these moves was to cut costs and dip under the 2nd apron. Brad even admitted in yesterday's presser that the 2nd apron is why he traded Jrue and KP.

Not to mention Tatum is out for the year.

I'm not saying that we're tanking. But I also wouldn't be surprised if we end up doing that - depending on how the team is doing early in the season. The Mavs last year, after Kyrie tore his ACL - they tanked and ended up getting the no. 1 pick in the draft - Cooper Flagg.

Embiid was hurt for Philly. Missed most of the season. What did they do? Tanked, got the 3rd pick in the draft. Wemby got hurt, season ending injury. What did the spurs do? Tanked and got the 2nd pick in the draft. Warriors when Klay and Steph were injured? They tanked and got the 2nd pick in the draft (bad pick with Wiseman) and then got 2 lottery picks (2 more bad picks with Kuminga and Moody).

Luka was injured late in the 22-23. season. Mavs sat him out a lot and. even got fined for tanking - it worked out though, as they ended up with the 12th pick, took Lively who ended up being a key big for them when they made the finals the next season. Now they have their C for the future.

Not saying we're tanking. But if that ends up happening, it shouldn't shock anyone.

Tatum is not out for the year. Brad said yesterday that there is no timeline for his return and that he will play when he has recovered.

When exactly that is is not known by anyone at this point.

Also, there is a difference between “going below the second apron” and being a lottery team. Just because we are making moves to get below the second apron does not mean Brad’s plan is turn the team into a lottery team.

It's my opinion that he'll be out for the year. A very educated guess.

Average recovery time for torn achilles is 10-14 months. Even if it's 10 months, that would be mid March 2025. There's literally no precedent for a player coming back that late in the season from an injury that severe.

It's not worth bringing him back then..not worth taking the chance that he comes back too soon, re-injures it and then is out for even longer (like what happened to Kobe and many others).

This article from today, Windhorst says, ""The Celtics are approximately $20 million over the luxury tax and getting below it during a season where they will be without Jayson Tatum as he recovers from his Achilles injury would be beneficial long-term."

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/281321/Celtics-Continue-To-Explore-Trading-Anfernee-Simons#:~:text=The%20Boston%20Celtics%20are%20continuing,expiring%20contract%20worth%20%2427.7%20million.

Yesterday KD said, the most important advice for him to players recovering from a torn achilles is accepting the fact that they will "be out for a year" and coming to terms with it.

Read on Twitter

Also, I didn't say we'd be in the lottery. I didn't say we'd be tanking. I simply said to not be surprised if it happens - and pointed out several examples where star players had serious long term injuries and their teams tanked for a better draft pick - that's all..

Well I would argue that PHI, DAL, and SA were just bad teams once their stars got injured. They didn't really tank, they were just bad.

Are you suggesting that the current roster is bad enough to be a lottery team?

As for Tatum, like I mentioned yesterday, I'm not saying he should play next year, I'm not saying it is likely he plays next year, I'm simply saying that it is possible, especially if the team is solidly in the playoffs which I am expecting since the EC is so weak.

[playa-hater]

Listen, I have been one of the biggest fans of Sam Hauser on here. But at this time you absolutely look to trade him. Keeping Sam, just keeps the logjam ahead of Rico and Hugo. what the hell was the purpose in drafting a Wing in RD1 when we desperately needed a talented Big like Fleming, but instead choose Hugo, only to have him sit behind Brown-White and Sam Hauser with probably Rico in waiting above him. Ditto for Walsh and the others we signed.

Hugo needs to play a ton this year. Tatum comes back next season Hugo's chances get even worse.

I think he may well go still, but Rico and Hugo are more pegged for the 2 and 3 IMO, with Sammy at the 4.

(And I think it could take 18 months for Hugo to get the NBA 3 down, but his D and general playing smarts will make him a rotational player right off.

In a small ball lineup Sam at the 4 is doable. But a 6'7 4 man would get us killed on defense and rebounds.

[hugepatsfan]

Is Niang a better passer/handler than Hauser or does he just do it more to poor results? Not that assists are the be all and end all of passing, but they each average 1 assist/game. Niang is at 8.0 assist% compared to 6.5% for Hauser. But his turnover % is nearly double at 10.0% to 5.5% for Hauser.

I feel like people keep trying to sell Niang as more "diverse" than Hauser when in reality it means an extra couple of times per game he stupidly does something he isn't good at that on average yields poor results. Sure, if you handle more and pass more and drive more you'll have some highlights of you doing those things but he does all of them to terrible results.

[Fierce1]

Sam and Queta starting at the 4 and 5 spot is really a bad idea.

Any hope of Al returning is also looking bleak.

Apparently GSW is just waiting for the Kuminga sign and trade to be resolved.

Once Kuminga is gone, they will sign Al.

With that said, Brad needs to trade for a big.

Use Simons and Sam as trade bait.

[GrandTheftRondo]

This could genuinely be one of the Celtics’ weakest frontcourt rotations to open a season since before the Kevin Garnett trade. Given the current depth and injury concerns, even someone like Amir Johnson from the 2016 squad might start over this group.


It’s honestly that bad — and outside of Tatum, this might be one of the worst frontcourts in the league right now.

You're looking at something like: Center: Garza / Queta /Williams
PF: Tillman/Niang/Minot?

It’s a flat out joke and people want to act like Tatum would rush back to play on this piece of **** roster.