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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread 

Post#1681 » by Larry_Russell » Wed Jul 9, 2025 3:28 pm

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Larry_Russell wrote:people are trying to love Niang for the same reason they are trying to love simons.

Brad traded for them and that means they are awesome.

Really? I was thinking these two warm bodies are the best trash that Brad could get in order to get out of the 2nd apron. I have no love for either, but I understand why the trades happened. Not only that: like most here, I knew the trades were coming so I'm not complaining like an unattended baby with a huge diaper load.



If you are referring to me I also knew the trades were coming, I just knew that trading those 2 guys could easily have netter a superior return than when we are stuck with. Even if it meant losing a few 2nd round picks, or losing Hauser to get below the apron.
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Post#1682 » by GrandTheftRondo » Wed Jul 9, 2025 3:28 pm

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Hal14 wrote:My prediction?

This is pretty much what the roster will look like on opening night.

Except we're gonna get under 2nd apron. We're just barely over, so all we gotta do is trade/waive either Tillman/Walsh/JD. If it's Tillman, then we'd have to get another big. So then we'd still have to end up dumping either Walsh/JD to get back under 2nd apron and get back down to 14 players on the standard roster.

So do we keep Tillman or no? I'd say it's a 50/50. We might keep him. But at the same time, he's not some young kid with upside we're developing. And he was pretty much useless last season on the court. So it's almost like a wasted roster spot..so I could see them dumping him and picking up another big who has upside and/or is more likely to provide some on court value.

As for who gets dumped between JD and Walsh, it could go either way I think. Walsh has shown more and played more during non-garbage time mins. However, JD plays a position/role we have a greater need for. Like we if lose JD, we might need to acquire another PG/ball handler to make up for that loss. But if Walsh is dumped? We lose nothing. We have plenty of other wings.

We probably won't know for sure which of these 3 is staying/going till after summer league. If Walsh does really well at SL, he's probably staying (or he has raised his trade value enough that we could get some value in return for him) but if he struggles, I figure he could get dumped via trade or get waived right after SL ends.

Hal, it's still just the beginning of the off-season. Things can take many different turns. if the Celtics sign Lillard then it will probably be for the $5+ million tax payer MLE which means they would have to move a player. If the Celtics sign Lillard then maybe Big Al Horford comes back. Many vets like Smart, Vucevic, Love etc. could be bought out. I'm not saying any of those moves will happen. Just saying there is still a lot to be played out this off-season.

I know. But as my post said, I was simply making a prediction on what I think will happen.

I don't think we'll be signing Lillard.

I asked ChatGPT where he is likely to sign:

"Miami Heat currently stand out as the leading candidate—a preferred destination for Lillard, with mutual interest, and an intuitive fit in their championship window. The Golden State Warriors are also strong due to proximity, culture, and timing. The Celtics and Lakers are on the fringe due to salary constraints but remain in the mix."

Ah yes ChatGPT, the worlds most reliable source on NBA news and rumours

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Post#1683 » by Fierce1 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 3:29 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:Is Niang a better passer/handler than Hauser or does he just do it more to poor results? Not that assists are the be all and end all of passing, but they each average 1 assist/game. Niang is at 8.0 assist% compared to 6.5% for Hauser. But his turnover % is nearly double at 10.0% to 5.5% for Hauser.

I feel like people keep trying to sell Niang as more "diverse" than Hauser when in reality it means an extra couple of times per game he stupidly does something he isn't good at that on average yields poor results. Sure, if you handle more and pass more and drive more you'll have some highlights of you doing those things but he does all of them to terrible results.

The Orlando series should have given you enough data to conclude that Sam is just a regular season player.

Don't use the stats, the eye test will tell you Sam is soft.

What happened when Sam was switched on to Banchero or Franz Wagner?

Sam also cannot drive to the basket and is a liability on fast breaks.

He is simply just a shooter, like Kyle Korver.
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Post#1684 » by jfs1000d » Wed Jul 9, 2025 3:31 pm

Celtics were 61-21.

Mostly done without KP. Here is my thing. I think good. -20 games in the east is crazy. I look at them as 45 win team.

They are going to be a 6 seed.


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Post#1685 » by Celts17Pride » Wed Jul 9, 2025 3:32 pm

Larry_Russell wrote: I just knew that trading those 2 guys could easily have netter a superior return than when we are stuck with.

So Brad Stevens said to Mike Zarren, "I know these deals are great for Holiday and Porzingis but let's pass and go with the sucky ones?"
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Post#1686 » by Larry_Russell » Wed Jul 9, 2025 3:32 pm

winsomme2 wrote:
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winsomme2 wrote:
Tatum is not out for the year. Brad said yesterday that there is no timeline for his return and that he will play when he has recovered.

When exactly that is is not known by anyone at this point.

Also, there is a difference between “going below the second apron” and being a lottery team. Just because we are making moves to get below the second apron does not mean Brad’s plan is turn the team into a lottery team.

It's my opinion that he'll be out for the year. A very educated guess.

Average recovery time for torn achilles is 10-14 months. Even if it's 10 months, that would be mid March 2025. There's literally no precedent for a player coming back that late in the season from an injury that severe.

It's not worth bringing him back then..not worth taking the chance that he comes back too soon, re-injures it and then is out for even longer (like what happened to Kobe and many others).

This article from today, Windhorst says, ""The Celtics are approximately $20 million over the luxury tax and getting below it during a season where they will be without Jayson Tatum as he recovers from his Achilles injury would be beneficial long-term."

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/281321/Celtics-Continue-To-Explore-Trading-Anfernee-Simons#:~:text=The%20Boston%20Celtics%20are%20continuing,expiring%20contract%20worth%20%2427.7%20million.

Yesterday KD said, the most important advice for him to players recovering from a torn achilles is accepting the fact that they will "be out for a year" and coming to terms with it.
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Also, I didn't say we'd be in the lottery. I didn't say we'd be tanking. I simply said to not be surprised if it happens - and pointed out several examples where star players had serious long term injuries and their teams tanked for a better draft pick - that's all..



Well I would argue that PHI, DAL, and SA were just bad teams once their stars got injured. They didn't really tank, they were just bad.

Are you suggesting that the current roster is bad enough to be a lottery team?

As for Tatum, like I mentioned yesterday, I'm not saying he should play next year, I'm not saying it is likely he plays next year, I'm simply saying that it is possible, especially if the team is solidly in the playoffs which I am expecting since the EC is so weak.



They are a 5th or 6th seed if the stars align in a very weak eastern conference.

THey are playoff fodder at best.

With Tatum they are a second round exit.

The problem is, this team has ZERO chance at a championship this season, and instead of embracing it for a year the team has made moves that signal attempting to try anyways....which gives you a **** pick...in a season where you have no chance...coming into a LOADED draft.

It doesnt make sense.

This seasons should be about losing as much as possible, trying to find another pritchard on the roster and securing a great pick and capspace.

Now maybe the team is going to secretely rest brown and white 80% on the games...doesnt sound like it though. J


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Post#1687 » by Fierce1 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 3:34 pm

jfs1000d wrote:Celtics were 61-21.

Mostly done without KP. Here is my thing. I think good. -20 games in the east is crazy. I look at them as 45 win team.

They are going to be a 6 seed.


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Fair assessment.

If by trade deadline they are the 6th seed, Tatum will most likely return in March.

Cs might end up the 3rd or 4th seed if Tatum returns and plays 20 games.
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Post#1688 » by Larry_Russell » Wed Jul 9, 2025 3:34 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote: I just knew that trading those 2 guys could easily have netter a superior return than when we are stuck with.

So Brad Stevens said to Mike Zarren, "I know these deals are great for Holiday and Porzingis but let's pass and go with the sucky ones?"



Maybe, or brad didnt make calls, or brad thought he knew best, or brad thought he could flip Simons immediately for more return.

Point is, brad screwed up.

Accept it an move on instead of continually trying to defend it.
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Post#1689 » by jfs1000d » Wed Jul 9, 2025 3:34 pm

Fierce1 wrote:
fallguy wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:One has to go because both are shooters and the Cs are lacking a big man.

One shooter and one big man is more balanced than 2 shooters and no big man.


Good lord - this is a terrible, barely-considered argument.

We have like four centers. We don't need to ditch either of these guys, who can both play.

4 Centers and none of them are legit NBA starting Center.

Tillman will be gone because he's just not fitting in.

So that's 3 Centers and Amari is a rookie who will need to go through the learning curve.

Celtics really weak at the PF and C position right now.

Sacrifice one of the shooters to improve the PF or C spot.

Tillman is gonna get every opportunity to play. Quetta, Garza, Tillman are the centers. Whoever plays well gets the job.

Tillman can also play as a 4 in a big lineup. He didn't play this year, doesn't mean he won't play next year.


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Post#1690 » by winsomme2 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 3:35 pm

Fierce1 wrote:Sam and Queta starting at the 4 and 5 spot is really a bad idea.

Any hope of Al returning is also looking bleak.

Apparently GSW is just waiting for the Kuminga sign and trade to be resolved.

Once Kuminga is gone, they will sign Al.

With that said, Brad needs to trade for a big.

Use Simons and Sam as trade bait.


I'm actually kinda surprised that Brad hasn't been able to trade Niang and Simons. I don't mind either of them as players and would have gladly taken them on last year's team. They could be valuable pieces on a team that has their main pieces in place.

On this team, however, like you are saying, it is WAY more important to get a reliable big man.

If Al was coming back, I'd be more open to keeping Simons and seeing how he looked in our offense, but without ALL of our big men, we need someone reliable to fill that spot.

We absolutely need a starting C and then let Garza, Queta, and Williams battle it out for the back up roles.

Why can't Brad trade these guys? Every insider is saying that he is STILL trying to trade them.
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Post#1691 » by Celts17Pride » Wed Jul 9, 2025 3:35 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote: I just knew that trading those 2 guys could easily have netter a superior return than when we are stuck with.

So Brad Stevens said to Mike Zarren, "I know these deals are great for Holiday and Porzingis but let's pass and go with the sucky ones?"



Maybe, or brad didnt make calls, or brad thought he knew best, or brad thought he could flip Simons immediately for more return.

Point is, brad screwed up.

Accept it an move on instead of continually trying to defend it.

Talk about "Accepting it" :lol:
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Post#1692 » by jfs1000d » Wed Jul 9, 2025 3:36 pm

Fierce1 wrote:I was expecting Al or Luke to return, but if our best Center right now is Queta and our starting PF will be Niang or Hauser, it's going to be a disaster.

The Cs will get abused inside the paint so badly.

Meh. Niang is tough. We aren't gonna be good inside defensively, but we will score.


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Post#1693 » by Fierce1 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 3:37 pm

winsomme2 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:Sam and Queta starting at the 4 and 5 spot is really a bad idea.

Any hope of Al returning is also looking bleak.

Apparently GSW is just waiting for the Kuminga sign and trade to be resolved.

Once Kuminga is gone, they will sign Al.

With that said, Brad needs to trade for a big.

Use Simons and Sam as trade bait.


I'm actually kinda surprised that Brad hasn't been able to trade Niang and Simons. I don't mind either of them as players and would have gladly taken them on last year's team. They could be valuable pieces on a team that has their main pieces in place.

On this team, however, like you are saying, it is WAY more important to get a reliable big man.

If Al was coming back, I'd be more open to keeping Simons and seeing how he looked in our offense, but without ALL of our big men, we need someone reliable to fill that spot.

We absolutely need a starting C and then let Garza, Queta, and Williams battle it out for the back up roles.

Why can't Brad trade these guys? Every insider is saying that he is STILL trying to trade them.

I agree.

If Al returned to the Cs, I would prioritize keeping Simons over getting a big man.

But right now, Queta as the best Center on the team is really a bad idea.
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Post#1694 » by GrandTheftRondo » Wed Jul 9, 2025 3:40 pm

Shak_Celts wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:I was expecting Al or Luke to return, but if our best Center right now is Queta and our starting PF will be Niang or Hauser, it's going to be a disaster.

The Cs will get abused inside the paint so badly.

Good, then we'll get a better draft pick.

We're not trying to win this season.

This season is simply about savings $, getting under the 2nd apron to avoid the basketball penalties, developing our young guys, load managing our vets and start figuring out what the roster will look like when we're back in title contention in 26-27 with a healthy Tatum.


Why do people keep saying this? We may not be putting everything in the pot like we did for the jrue and kp window, but they aren’t trying to lose either. Too many good players here to lose enough for the lotto. Sure, it’s all opinion at this point, but we’re too good to be in the lotto.

Winning and winning it all are two different things in a way. Cavs are the example. We can still win and likely not be good enough to win it all. It upsets some, but Celtics aren’t going to tank. It’s too easy to get into the playoffs, 10 teams have a shot now. I don’t see us being worst than eighth and I believe we’ll be better.

If people are expecting lottery, it’s going to be a tough season for them. I know a few posters think I’m in for a wake-up call, but unless there are injuries, this Celtics team will be in the playoffs!

I’d rather believe all the way and be disappointed than be miserable all season, I have enough reality to handle that. Y'all can do what y'all want.

They currently have three actual good players. One of whom is a microwave scorer

They will be terrible to watch.

The Brown number one guy experiment will be putrid
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Post#1695 » by Fierce1 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 3:41 pm

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Fierce1 wrote:
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Good lord - this is a terrible, barely-considered argument.

We have like four centers. We don't need to ditch either of these guys, who can both play.

4 Centers and none of them are legit NBA starting Center.

Tillman will be gone because he's just not fitting in.

So that's 3 Centers and Amari is a rookie who will need to go through the learning curve.

Celtics really weak at the PF and C position right now.

Sacrifice one of the shooters to improve the PF or C spot.

Tillman is gonna get every opportunity to play. Quetta, Garza, Tillman are the centers. Whoever plays well gets the job.

Tillman can also play as a 4 in a big lineup. He didn't play this year, doesn't mean he won't play next year.


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That's trash.

We need Brad to do better than those 4 you mentioned.
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Post#1696 » by Parasite » Wed Jul 9, 2025 3:45 pm

jfs1000d wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:
fallguy wrote:
Good lord - this is a terrible, barely-considered argument.

We have like four centers. We don't need to ditch either of these guys, who can both play.

4 Centers and none of them are legit NBA starting Center.

Tillman will be gone because he's just not fitting in.

So that's 3 Centers and Amari is a rookie who will need to go through the learning curve.

Celtics really weak at the PF and C position right now.

Sacrifice one of the shooters to improve the PF or C spot.

Tillman is gonna get every opportunity to play. Quetta, Garza, Tillman are the centers. Whoever plays well gets the job.

Tillman can also play as a 4 in a big lineup. He didn't play this year, doesn't mean he won't play next year.


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Tillman looked like he belonged in an over 40 YMCA league last season. He’s the last guy I’m counting on to give us good minutes. Hey, prove me wrong Xavier!
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Post#1697 » by GrandTheftRondo » Wed Jul 9, 2025 3:45 pm

winsomme2 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
Shak_Celts wrote:
Why do people keep saying this? We may not be putting everything in the pot like we did for the jrue and kp window, but they aren’t trying to lose either. Too many good players here to lose enough for the lotto. Sure, it’s all opinion at this point, but we’re too good to be in the lotto.

Winning and winning it all are two different things in a way. Cavs are the example.

The Cavs were absolutely trying to win it all last season. They came up short. But they had one of the greatest regular seasons of all time. They added Hunter at the deadline. Every offseason for the past few years they have added guys (including Donovan Mitchell) with 1 goal in mind behind every move: building a championship team.

This is our offseason in a nuthsell:
Read on Twitter


The goal with these moves was to cut costs and dip under the 2nd apron. Brad even admitted in yesterday's presser that the 2nd apron is why he traded Jrue and KP.

Not to mention Tatum is out for the year.

I'm not saying that we're tanking. But I also wouldn't be surprised if we end up doing that - depending on how the team is doing early in the season. The Mavs last year, after Kyrie tore his ACL - they tanked and ended up getting the no. 1 pick in the draft - Cooper Flagg.

Embiid was hurt for Philly. Missed most of the season. What did they do? Tanked, got the 3rd pick in the draft. Wemby got hurt, season ending injury. What did the spurs do? Tanked and got the 2nd pick in the draft. Warriors when Klay and Steph were injured? They tanked and got the 2nd pick in the draft (bad pick with Wiseman) and then got 2 lottery picks (2 more bad picks with Kuminga and Moody).

Luka was injured late in the 22-23. season. Mavs sat him out a lot and. even got fined for tanking - it worked out though, as they ended up with the 12th pick, took Lively who ended up being a key big for them when they made the finals the next season. Now they have their C for the future.

Not saying we're tanking. But if that ends up happening, it shouldn't shock anyone.


Tatum is not out for the year. Brad said yesterday that there is no timeline for his return and that he will play when he has recovered.

When exactly that is is not known by anyone at this point.

Also, there is a difference between “going below the second apron” and being a lottery team. Just because we are making moves to get below the second apron does not mean Brad’s plan is turn the team into a lottery team.

The organisation is committing malpractice if they bring Tatum back next season with this pile of **** of a roster
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Post#1698 » by Fierce1 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 3:46 pm

If Brad can flip Simons, Sam, and Tillman for Coby White and Vuc, Celtics will be a legit playoff team, with or without JT.

DWhite and Coby White at the guard spots will be one hell of a duo.
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Post#1699 » by Fierce1 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 3:47 pm

GrandTheftRondo wrote:
winsomme2 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:The Cavs were absolutely trying to win it all last season. They came up short. But they had one of the greatest regular seasons of all time. They added Hunter at the deadline. Every offseason for the past few years they have added guys (including Donovan Mitchell) with 1 goal in mind behind every move: building a championship team.

This is our offseason in a nuthsell:
Read on Twitter


The goal with these moves was to cut costs and dip under the 2nd apron. Brad even admitted in yesterday's presser that the 2nd apron is why he traded Jrue and KP.

Not to mention Tatum is out for the year.

I'm not saying that we're tanking. But I also wouldn't be surprised if we end up doing that - depending on how the team is doing early in the season. The Mavs last year, after Kyrie tore his ACL - they tanked and ended up getting the no. 1 pick in the draft - Cooper Flagg.

Embiid was hurt for Philly. Missed most of the season. What did they do? Tanked, got the 3rd pick in the draft. Wemby got hurt, season ending injury. What did the spurs do? Tanked and got the 2nd pick in the draft. Warriors when Klay and Steph were injured? They tanked and got the 2nd pick in the draft (bad pick with Wiseman) and then got 2 lottery picks (2 more bad picks with Kuminga and Moody).

Luka was injured late in the 22-23. season. Mavs sat him out a lot and. even got fined for tanking - it worked out though, as they ended up with the 12th pick, took Lively who ended up being a key big for them when they made the finals the next season. Now they have their C for the future.

Not saying we're tanking. But if that ends up happening, it shouldn't shock anyone.


Tatum is not out for the year. Brad said yesterday that there is no timeline for his return and that he will play when he has recovered.

When exactly that is is not known by anyone at this point.

Also, there is a difference between “going below the second apron” and being a lottery team. Just because we are making moves to get below the second apron does not mean Brad’s plan is turn the team into a lottery team.

The organisation is committing malpractice if they bring Tatum back next season with this pile of **** of a roster

Brad not finished constructing the roster.
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Post#1700 » by winsomme2 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 3:47 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:
winsomme2 wrote:
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Hal14 wrote:It's my opinion that he'll be out for the year. A very educated guess.

Average recovery time for torn achilles is 10-14 months. Even if it's 10 months, that would be mid March 2025. There's literally no precedent for a player coming back that late in the season from an injury that severe.

It's not worth bringing him back then..not worth taking the chance that he comes back too soon, re-injures it and then is out for even longer (like what happened to Kobe and many others).

This article from today, Windhorst says, ""The Celtics are approximately $20 million over the luxury tax and getting below it during a season where they will be without Jayson Tatum as he recovers from his Achilles injury would be beneficial long-term."

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/281321/Celtics-Continue-To-Explore-Trading-Anfernee-Simons#:~:text=The%20Boston%20Celtics%20are%20continuing,expiring%20contract%20worth%20%2427.7%20million.

Yesterday KD said, the most important advice for him to players recovering from a torn achilles is accepting the fact that they will "be out for a year" and coming to terms with it.
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Also, I didn't say we'd be in the lottery. I didn't say we'd be tanking. I simply said to not be surprised if it happens - and pointed out several examples where star players had serious long term injuries and their teams tanked for a better draft pick - that's all..



Well I would argue that PHI, DAL, and SA were just bad teams once their stars got injured. They didn't really tank, they were just bad.

Are you suggesting that the current roster is bad enough to be a lottery team?

As for Tatum, like I mentioned yesterday, I'm not saying he should play next year, I'm not saying it is likely he plays next year, I'm simply saying that it is possible, especially if the team is solidly in the playoffs which I am expecting since the EC is so weak.



They are a 5th or 6th seed if the stars align in a very weak eastern conference.

THey are playoff fodder at best.

With Tatum they are a second round exit.

The problem is, this team has ZERO chance at a championship this season, and instead of embracing it for a year the team has made moves that signal attempting to try anyways....which gives you a **** pick...in a season where you have no chance...coming into a LOADED draft.

It doesnt make sense.

This seasons should be about losing as much as possible, trying to find another pritchard on the roster and securing a great pick and capspace.

Now maybe the team is going to secretely rest brown and white 80% on the games...doesnt sound like it though. J


Just more miles on bodies for no reason.


The only way this could happen is if Brad traded Jaylen.

I think that's just not in Brad's DNA. He went on and on about how "rebuilding" isn't even in his lexicon.

I also don't think sitting JB when he's healthy is something Brad would ever do because it's too grimy. Even if it would set us up better long term, I just don't think he would remotely entertain it.

So the next best plan IMO is to play to win with JB and then see what happens with Tatum.

The one part of this plan that I am definitely unsettled by is the big man situation. How did Brad get us in a spot where we have no obvious starting C?

That surprises me.

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