Darryn Peterson

[TYO23]

If you're a top recruit *never* go to Kansas or UNC

Joel Embiid went there lol…

6-7 months on campus isn’t gonna break Darryn or any other prospect of his caliber.

[clyde21]

If you're a top recruit *never* go to Kansas or UNC

Joel Embiid went there lol…

6-7 months on campus isn’t gonna break Darryn or any other prospect of his caliber.

Maybe, maybe not, but it's not the place I would've chosen given their track record. Embiid is the exception at this point, and guys like Andrew Wiggins, Josh Selby, Josh Jackson, Cliff Alexander, Xavier Henry etc. etc. the rule.

and we can talk about it only being 10 months or so but 10 months in this age bracket at this point in these players' development is crucial. for many guys it's a make or break year as they transition out of HS.

that said, if Peterson is him it shouldn't matter, but for some prospects it could.

[Bucks4005]

If you're a top recruit *never* go to Kansas or UNC

Joel Embiid went there lol…

6-7 months on campus isn’t gonna break Darryn or any other prospect of his caliber.

Maybe, maybe not, but it's not the place I would've chosen given their track record. Embiid is the exception at this point, and guys like Andrew Wiggins, Josh Selby, Josh Jackson, Cliff Alexander, Xavier Henry etc. etc. the rule.

and we can talk about it only being 10 months or so but 10 months in this age bracket at this point in these players' development is crucial. for many guys it's a make or break year as they transition out of HS.

that said, if Peterson is him it shouldn't matter, but for some prospects it could.

I mean, i mean Selby, Alexander, and Henry just weren’t good NBA prospects. Like, Alexander made less than 10 games played as a pro. I don’t think Self could,have done anything about that to make or break him. Henry was a lottery pick, which could be argued as a success, and even then didn’t show this top tier NBA skill, but was still slowly developing a career till he tore his Achilles which basically was a career-ender for him. And Shelby was hurt his freshman year and suspended, don’t know what Self is supposed to,do about that. I think instead of looking at Self, it’s more these guys were rated high in high school, but had specially lacking traits for the NBA.

Weird you mention Wiggins and Jackson even. I feel were in no way ruined at Kansas, they both made 2nd team All-American and went top 5. Like, if that’s part of the rule, then those two are successes, aren’t they? So Self, including Embid, is 3/6. Which yea, that’s not a bad hit rate?

[clyde21]

Every name i mentioned was a 99+ recruiting grade out of HS.

[Bucks4005]

Every name i mentioned was a 99+ recruiting grade out of HS.

And? I just feel it’s weird to blame Self for some failing and some succeeding. Like, Skal Labissere was a #1 overall prospect in his class, do you blame Callipari for his failure? Or Aaron Bradshaw recently for Callipari, who was #2 coming out? Henry Giles was #2 the next year, do we blame Coach K for him?

I mean, it just seems weird to use an imperfect process like high school rating, which relies on scouting, and an imperfect process in itself, to say someone like Self failed to develop these guys. Like, I just kinda feel those guys always had limitations that would hinder them, that’s why they failed. At some point it’s on the prospect themselves. Like, Cliff Alexander was a 6-8, 6-9ish C with no perimeter ability whatsoever. Like, this guy had an exceptionally hard road to succeed in the NBA from day 1 being undersized. Even Xavier Henry who you mentioned went 12th. According to rivals, he was the 8th best prospect in his class. I mean………… what were you expecting Self to do there? Seem weird to blame him for not what, elevating Henry to a top 5 pick?

[HadAnEffectHere]

Every name i mentioned was a 99+ recruiting grade out of HS.

Josh Jackson was mentally not there and Cliff's game never had any hope of translating to the NBA. Wiggins has also definitively shown over and over again that his main problem is that he doesn't like basketball. He was a top player on a title team one year and has sucked most other years because he doesn't try.

[TYO23]

Practices are obviously different than games but I have heard from people close to the KU program that Darryn has been every bit as good as expected.

[peZt]

Some prospects miss an entire year to injury and come back like nothing changed.
A 19 year who is not injured and plays the entire year will not suddenly become a **** player just because of the coach. They are not gonna unlearn how to play Basketball because of the coach. High School scouting is terrible, players get misjudged constantly. A Josh Selby being a 99 guy out of High School doesnt show he was actually a 99 caliber player that got destroyed by his Kansas coach. It shows that scouts dont know **** sometimes, especially with kids in High School.
Wiggins was starting to raise question marks about his game in his final year of High School already. And by his first game at Kansas it was clear he was not the LeBron level talent that people thought he was. That's not Self's fault. It just shows that Wiggins was not the type of talent everybody thought he was. If he was, he'd have either played better in Kansas already, like Embiid, or have become a better player in the NBA

So what Im tryna say is, if Darryn Peterson is the real deal, he will not suddenly fail as a prospect cause he plays one year under Self. He might not get the best stats or be as effective as he would be under another coach and system, but its not gonna make his talent worse.

[clyde21]

Is the idea here that these guys just actually sucked all along and development or lack there of had nothing to do with it?

[NO-KG-AI]

Is the idea here that these guys just actually sucked all along and development or lack there of had nothing to do with it?

I think most guys just suck. I think something like only 25% of the top 100 make it past like a 2 year deal. And obviously a much smaller percentage than that are very good to great. It’s very very hard to break through. Development isn’t insignificant, but most of these guys aren’t going to make it no matter where they end up.

[HadAnEffectHere]

Is the idea here that these guys just actually sucked all along and development or lack there of had nothing to do with it?

Was Josh Jackson a huge dumbass and did Andrew Wiggins not like basketball because they went to Kansas for one year?

[Duke4life831]

I do think a big chunk of UNC and KU not being all that great with OADs (especially UNC) is a combination of a few things.

1. Not all top tier talents have the same kind of NBA potential. Cliff Alexander for example. Top 5 recruit, but it was clear that was just a really bad recruiting whiff. Ended up not being as tall as many expected, not nearly as athletic as many expected. Ended up with a 6’7 average athletic 5. Not screaming NBA potential.

2. Coaches like Self, Roy Williams, and now Hubert. They prefer the “fit the player into my system” approach. Over the “let me find a way to build my system around this player” approach. And that can be a pretty big shock for star players and not fitting in well can end up hurting their confidence. And ya a year of bad confidence and then a massive drop in draft stock can really hurt a player long term. Confidence can play a huge part in certain players.

KU isn’t really the place I would have at the top of my list if I was a high level OAD guy. Self and KU is more of a place where raw athletes who played at smaller high schools and ended up under ranked. Those guys tend to shine at KU. Because Self plays his system and when you’re in year 3 or 4 in that system and your skill level has finally started to catch up to your athletic ability, you can really shine there.

UNC, I know I have a bias here. But that has turned into a place where dreams of NBA stardom goes to die. UNC is the place for low ranked 5 stars or higher ranked 4 stars, who have clear barriers from ever being a high NBA draft pick go. The Joel Berry’s, RJ Davis, Armando Bacot’s should go.

With that said, I think a special enough talent can go anywhere for his 1 year of college and it won’t have much impact for his long term NBA career.

Like I think Scheyer built a great roster around Flagg and unlike K with his OADs, Scheyer actually built an offensive system that fit Flagg perfectly. But with that said, I think Flagg could’ve gone to Loyola Marymount and still be the runaway pick for the #1 pick.

[Upperclass]

If Flagg went to Kansas.. his very obvious game flaws would be greatly magnified.. because he went to Duke, which has a track record of NBA stars.. his flaws minimized.. Its just that simple.

[TYO23]

KU literally just sent Gradey Dick and Furphy to the league as one and dones. It’s silly to blame them like they have their pick of every recruit like Duke does.

[peZt]

If Flagg went to Kansas.. his very obvious game flaws would be greatly magnified.. because he went to Duke, which has a track record of NBA stars.. his flaws minimized.. Its just that simple.

The only effect that would have is that Flagg maybe would be drafted 2nd. But it doesnt change anything about his game, it just makes it more visible. But he would end up the same player in the NBA he would have if he went to Duke.
And thats what I was saying about guys like Shelby, Cliff Alexander and so on. They sucked already, their suckiness just got exposed at Kansas. Maybe they would have been able to be better College players at another school, but the end result would have been the same in the NBA, they would have sucked either way.
The only thing you could blame Self on is bad recruiting, that he keeps recruiting the guys that are good HS players but dont have NBA potential.
But his one year of coaching these players did not destroy their NBA careers

We have guys that are injured for a whole year and come back the same. You think Self is worse for a prospect than a severe ACL injury?

[Bucks4005]

I still dont see why people are mentioning Wiggins and Josh Jackson in this thread. Both went top 5 and were 2nd team All-American. Like, what are you expecting a coach to do better there? Making All-Americans mean that Self featured them in a signature role that made them one of the best players in America and their draft stock wasn’t really affected. Hell, Wiggins went 1, ideally he had the exact college career you’d expect from a top prospect, right? The person ahead of him on the All-American team, McDormett, was player of the year, so I guess if you want to nitpick, but, that seems somewhat ridiculous.

[TYO23]

I still,do t see why people are mentioning Wiggins and Josh Jackson in this thread. Both went top 5 and were 2nd team All-American. Like, what are you expecting a coach to do better there? Making All-Americans mean that Self featured them in a signature role that made them one of the best players in America and their draft stock wasn’t really affected. Hell, Wiggins went 1, ideally he had the exact college career you’d expect from a top prospect, right? The person ahead of him on the All-American team, McDormett, was player of the year, so I guess if you want to nitpick, but, that seems somewhat ridiculous.

Great post.