Tom Thibodeau fired pt 2

[Iron Mantis]

In the NBA, when a team exceeds the second apron, they face significant restrictions on trades, including not being able to aggregate salaries (combine multiple players' salaries to match a larger salary in a trade) and not being able to use past trade exceptions. Additionally, they cannot send cash out in trades, trade first-round picks seven years in the future, or use the mid-level exception.

this situation is almost death sentence for any team vying for contention; you simply cant be in this situation...that is why, player development and maximizing the usage of the of the 15-20 man roster is important; you cant fill the squad with expensive pieces and you cant rely on veteran minimum guys solely for fillings because other teams are going for them as well. You have to spot talent in all aspects, from rookies up to old and cheap players, and you cant afford to be choosy and wasteful with the guys that you play and Thibs is guilty of that offense.

Thibs didn't understand that player development is not a mere suggestion....it's an absolute necessity for an apron team trying to stay at the top and win championships.

[Jalen Bluntson]

In the NBA, when a team exceeds the second apron, they face significant restrictions on trades, including not being able to aggregate salaries (combine multiple players' salaries to match a larger salary in a trade) and not being able to use past trade exceptions. Additionally, they cannot send cash out in trades, trade first-round picks seven years in the future, or use the mid-level exception.

this situation is almost death sentence for any team vying for contention; you simply cant be in this situation...that is why, player development and maximizing the usage of the of the 15-20 man roster is important; you cant fill the squad with expensive pieces and you cant rely on veteran minimum guys solely for fillings because other teams are going for them as well. You have to spot talent in all aspects, from rookies up to old and cheap players, and you cant afford to be choosy and wasteful with the guys that you play and Thibs is guilty of that offense.

Thibs didn't understand that player development is not a mere suggestion....it's an absolute necessity for an apron team trying to stay at the top and win championships.

But but but...we had no bench!

The fact that they fired Thibs and kept a lot of his assistants tells you all you need to know. The players and coaches were tired of his nonsense. The FO was tired of watching him waste their time and money.

[Iron Mantis]

In the NBA, when a team exceeds the second apron, they face significant restrictions on trades, including not being able to aggregate salaries (combine multiple players' salaries to match a larger salary in a trade) and not being able to use past trade exceptions. Additionally, they cannot send cash out in trades, trade first-round picks seven years in the future, or use the mid-level exception.

this situation is almost death sentence for any team vying for contention; you simply cant be in this situation...that is why, player development and maximizing the usage of the of the 15-20 man roster is important; you cant fill the squad with expensive pieces and you cant rely on veteran minimum guys solely for fillings because other teams are going for them as well. You have to spot talent in all aspects, from rookies up to old and cheap players, and you cant afford to be choosy and wasteful with the guys that you play and Thibs is guilty of that offense.

Thibs didn't understand that player development is not a mere suggestion....it's an absolute necessity for an apron team trying to stay at the top and win championships.

But but but...we had no bench!

The fact that they fired Thibs and kept a lot of his assistants tells you all you need to know. The players and coaches were tired of his nonsense. The FO was tired of watching him waste their time and money.

It's goofy and ignorant when Thibs stans argue that the team would implode if Thibs gave minutes to a few additional guys off the bench.

Every time Thibs is forced to play bench guys or young players, they produce. What are we doing here? Everyone saw this .....players and Dolan called it out ....Thibs stuck his head in the sand and so he was rightfully fired.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Thibs didn't understand that player development is not a mere suggestion....it's an absolute necessity for an apron team trying to stay at the top and win championships.

But but but...we had no bench!

The fact that they fired Thibs and kept a lot of his assistants tells you all you need to know. The players and coaches were tired of his nonsense. The FO was tired of watching him waste their time and money.

It's goofy and ignorant when Thibs stans argue that the team would implode if Thibs gave minutes to a few additional guys off the bench.

Every time Thibs is forced to play bench guys or young players, they produce. What are we doing here? Everyone saw this .....players and Dolan called it out ....Thibs stuck his head in the sand and so he was rightfully fired.

Those wars are over for me. People think like Thibs apparently. Honestly, some of it wore off on me. I'm pushing for a vet backup PG instead of pushing for Kolek. Wtf? What happened to me?

[BKlutch]

But but but...we had no bench!

The fact that they fired Thibs and kept a lot of his assistants tells you all you need to know. The players and coaches were tired of his nonsense. The FO was tired of watching him waste their time and money.

It's goofy and ignorant when Thibs stans argue that the team would implode if Thibs gave minutes to a few additional guys off the bench.

Every time Thibs is forced to play bench guys or young players, they produce. What are we doing here? Everyone saw this .....players and Dolan called it out ....Thibs stuck his head in the sand and so he was rightfully fired.

Those wars are over for me. People think like Thibs apparently. Honestly, some of it wore off on me. I'm pushing for a vet backup PG instead of pushing for Kolek. Wtf? What happened to me?

You want to win!

[Jalen Bluntson]

It's goofy and ignorant when Thibs stans argue that the team would implode if Thibs gave minutes to a few additional guys off the bench.

Every time Thibs is forced to play bench guys or young players, they produce. What are we doing here? Everyone saw this .....players and Dolan called it out ....Thibs stuck his head in the sand and so he was rightfully fired.

Those wars are over for me. People think like Thibs apparently. Honestly, some of it wore off on me. I'm pushing for a vet backup PG instead of pushing for Kolek. Wtf? What happened to me?

You want to win!

I do but, I think it's Kolek himself that has me wanting more experience. I don't know that he's gonna be ready for championship aspirations this soon. I would prefer not risking it. He should have played last season more though so we could have a better idea. Hence the thread title.

[BKlutch]

Those wars are over for me. People think like Thibs apparently. Honestly, some of it wore off on me. I'm pushing for a vet backup PG instead of pushing for Kolek. Wtf? What happened to me?

You want to win!

I do but, I think it's Kolek himself that has me wanting more experience. I don't know that he's gonna be ready for championship aspirations this soon. I would prefer not risking it. He should have played last season more though so we could have a better idea. Hence the thread title.

We should assume that guys like Kolek will get enough playing time so we really know how much they can contribute. If that means we lose 1-2 more games because the kids played, that's not going to be nearly as bad as not knowing what our bench can do come playoff time.

[JayTWill]

You need to account for the fact that we’re a veteran team looking to win a title. We weren’t the Utah Jazz. You don’t apply the same player development strategies for title contenders and retooling teams. Jesus man, get a grip.

OKC disagrees with you

How many years did OKC tank for? You’re comparing apples and oranges.

OKC wasn't tanking this year and was still giving developmental time to their young inexperienced players while winning 68 games and a championship.

[Jalen Bluntson]

OKC disagrees with you

How many years did OKC tank for? You’re comparing apples and oranges.

OKC wasn't tanking this year and was still giving developmental time to their young inexperienced players while winning 68 games and a championship.

Every team in the league uses their bench a lot more than the Knicks. Every single one. It's a coincidence that the top teams all had depth help them get there except us? It's a coincidence we fell short? CLE/BOS/OKC/IND etc etc and so on and so forth. Why is this still a discussion? It literally cost the HC his job.

[GONYK]

Thibs didn't understand that player development is not a mere suggestion....it's an absolute necessity for an apron team trying to stay at the top and win championships.

But but but...we had no bench!

The fact that they fired Thibs and kept a lot of his assistants tells you all you need to know. The players and coaches were tired of his nonsense. The FO was tired of watching him waste their time and money.

It's goofy and ignorant when Thibs stans argue that the team would implode if Thibs gave minutes to a few additional guys off the bench.

Every time Thibs is forced to play bench guys or young players, they produce. What are we doing here? Everyone saw this .....players and Dolan called it out ....Thibs stuck his head in the sand and so he was rightfully fired.

You can make the same points in this post without this kind of stuff

[god shammgod]

bench was so good that they didn't keep any of them lol

[spree8]

bench was so good that they didn't keep any of them lol

Kolek, Deuce, Dadiet, Huk, Mitch all still here….

They upgraded Cam to Clarkson and Precious to Yabu.. looking to upgrade Shamet/Delon into Smart or Brogdon too… doesn’t mean the bench shouldn’t have played more to rest the starters..

[Iron Mantis]

But but but...we had no bench!

The fact that they fired Thibs and kept a lot of his assistants tells you all you need to know. The players and coaches were tired of his nonsense. The FO was tired of watching him waste their time and money.

It's goofy and ignorant when Thibs stans argue that the team would implode if Thibs gave minutes to a few additional guys off the bench.

Every time Thibs is forced to play bench guys or young players, they produce. What are we doing here? Everyone saw this .....players and Dolan called it out ....Thibs stuck his head in the sand and so he was rightfully fired.

You can make the same points in this post without this kind of stuff

Updated: politically correct version.

It's goofy and ignorant when people argue that the team would implode if Thibs gave minutes to a few additional guys off the bench.

Every time Thibs is forced to play bench guys or young players, they produce. What are we doing here? Everyone saw this .....players and Dolan called it out ....Thibs stuck his head in the sand and so he was rightfully fired.

[god shammgod]

bench was so good that they didn't keep any of them lol

Kolek, Deuce, Dadiet, Huk, Mitch all still here….

They upgraded Cam to Clarkson and Precious to Yabu.. looking to upgrade Shamet/Delon into Smart or Brogdon too… doesn’t mean the bench shouldn’t have played more to rest the starters..

duece and mitch always played and kolek, huk, dadiet still aint gonna

[spree8]

bench was so good that they didn't keep any of them lol

Kolek, Deuce, Dadiet, Huk, Mitch all still here….

They upgraded Cam to Clarkson and Precious to Yabu.. looking to upgrade Shamet/Delon into Smart or Brogdon too… doesn’t mean the bench shouldn’t have played more to rest the starters..

duece and mitch always played and kolek, huk deuce still aint gonna

Deuce always played but he still ain’t gunna???

[god shammgod]

Kolek, Deuce, Dadiet, Huk, Mitch all still here….

They upgraded Cam to Clarkson and Precious to Yabu.. looking to upgrade Shamet/Delon into Smart or Brogdon too… doesn’t mean the bench shouldn’t have played more to rest the starters..

duece and mitch always played and kolek, huk deuce still aint gonna

Deuce always played but he still ain’t gunna???

i wrote duece twice. my bad. dadiet.

[Iron Mantis]

bench was so good that they didn't keep any of them lol

Kolek, Deuce, Dadiet, Huk, Mitch all still here….

They upgraded Cam to Clarkson and Precious to Yabu.. looking to upgrade Shamet/Delon into Smart or Brogdon too… doesn’t mean the bench shouldn’t have played more to rest the starters..

Their logic: "bench guys aren't great players so they shouldn't play at all!! Starters need to play 48 mins!!"

Reality: the bench isn't unplayable...when they play, the team doesn't implode ... The starters rest...and have enough in the tank to close games

[god shammgod]

my logic is that bench wasn't very good which is why none of them are here anymore and were replaced by other players

have any of them even been picked up by another team ? nope. not even precious. because they're fringe nba players. you'll take them as a last resort only.

could he have stole a few minutes with them....sure. but they suck. let's not get it twisted.

[NoStatsGuy]

my logic is that bench wasn't very good which is why none of them are here anymore and were replaced by other players

have any of them even been picked up by another team ? nope. not even precious. because they're fringe nba players. you'll take them as a last resort only.

could he have stole a few minutes with them....sure. but they suck. let's not get it twisted.

let them stroke eachother egos about how much they know about basketball and just embrace mikey

[spree8]

duece and mitch always played and kolek, huk deuce still aint gonna

Deuce always played but he still ain’t gunna???

i wrote duece twice. my bad. dadiet.

I think they will… the FO wants these dudes developed. It’s a long season.. Brown is the type to throw out 10-11+ guys out there. You know your boy Mitch ain’t playing all 82 lol… Huk gunna get his. Dolan loves him.

Let me ask you this… do you think Thibs is perfect? Because it seems like everyone in the basketball world knows not using his bench is one of his fatal flaws… except his few diehard supporters.

Coaches around the league play deep into their bench because they know it rests the starters, allows you to experiment with rotations, you get to see if hungry guys can surprise you with limited opportunity, development, etc.

It’s not just “oh they suck, they shouldn’t play”.. good coaches don’t think like that. Because Shamet looked a lot better in the playoffs than all the haters said… never taking into account he had a massive shoulder injury… the same one that Randle never came back from.