Chet does not get full supermax (5/250) or a player option.

[tmorgan]

I’m confused by the title. What didn’t Chet get here besides the player option?

Banchero and Chet both have the same deal (5/240) after next year. Is this implying that Chet doesn’t get the bump to the full 30% of the cap if he makes All-NBA or is DPotY?

In any case, he couldn’t get 250 on the base deal, so the title of this thread is misleading.

[Dadouv47]

I’m confused by the title. What didn’t Chet get here besides the player option?

Banchero and Chet both have the same deal (5/240) after next year. Is this implying that Chet doesn’t get the bump to the full 30% of the cap if he makes All-NBA or is DPotY?

In any case, he couldn’t get 250 on the base deal, so the title of this thread is misleading.

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[HadAnEffectHere]

I’m confused by the title. What didn’t Chet get here besides the player option?

Banchero and Chet both have the same deal (5/240) after next year. Is this implying that Chet doesn’t get the bump to the full 30% of the cap if he makes All-NBA or is DPotY?

In any case, he couldn’t get 250 on the base deal, so the title of this thread is misleading.

Yes, Chet only gets $11m extra if he makes all-NBA instead of $50m extra.

[tmorgan]

I’m confused by the title. What didn’t Chet get here besides the player option?

Banchero and Chet both have the same deal (5/240) after next year. Is this implying that Chet doesn’t get the bump to the full 30% of the cap if he makes All-NBA or is DPotY?

In any case, he couldn’t get 250 on the base deal, so the title of this thread is misleading.

Yes, Chet only gets $11m extra if he makes all-NBA instead of $50m extra.

Huh. Interesting. Presti wants as much control over his future salary as possible. That’s smart.

Similarly, one of the things Langdon has done since taking over in Detroit — there are ZERO player options on the entire roster. Cade didn’t get one earlier, and none of Lagndon’s signees have gotten one. Team options or no options, that’s it. Pretty smart.

[BK_2020]

I’m confused by the title. What didn’t Chet get here besides the player option?

Banchero and Chet both have the same deal (5/240) after next year. Is this implying that Chet doesn’t get the bump to the full 30% of the cap if he makes All-NBA or is DPotY?

In any case, he couldn’t get 250 on the base deal, so the title of this thread is misleading.

Yes, Chet only gets $11m extra if he makes all-NBA instead of $50m extra.

Huh. Interesting. Presti wants as much control over his future salary as possible. That’s smart.

Similarly, one of the things Langdon has done since taking over in Detroit — there are ZERO player options on the entire roster. Cade didn’t get one earlier, and none of Lagndon’s signees have gotten one. Team options or no options, that’s it. Pretty smart.

Player option is a way to increase the value of a contract without raising the dollar amount. Yes, the team is at a disadvantage if the player outperforms and opts out but it's not like they didn't already reap the benefit of the player option.

[Dadouv47]

we knew Chet was gonna get the max anyway so him not being able to win the extra 5% is huge to us. Dream is to have the same for JDub but it's up to him because Presti has no leverage.

[tmorgan]

Yes, Chet only gets $11m extra if he makes all-NBA instead of $50m extra.

Huh. Interesting. Presti wants as much control over his future salary as possible. That’s smart.

Similarly, one of the things Langdon has done since taking over in Detroit — there are ZERO player options on the entire roster. Cade didn’t get one earlier, and none of Lagndon’s signees have gotten one. Team options or no options, that’s it. Pretty smart.

Player option is a way to increase the value of a contract without raising the dollar amount. Yes, the team is at a disadvantage if the player outperforms and opts out but it's not like they didn't already reap the benefit of the player option.

A player option is a way for a team to not know their future salary obligations. In particular, guys opt in if they think they can’t recoup the value in the open market, and opt out if they can. In other words, it favors the player and creates uncertainty. Not giving them out, if you can get away with it, is a good thing.

[Dadouv47]

Yes, Chet only gets $11m extra if he makes all-NBA instead of $50m extra.

Huh. Interesting. Presti wants as much control over his future salary as possible. That’s smart.

Similarly, one of the things Langdon has done since taking over in Detroit — there are ZERO player options on the entire roster. Cade didn’t get one earlier, and none of Lagndon’s signees have gotten one. Team options or no options, that’s it. Pretty smart.

Player option is a way to increase the value of a contract without raising the dollar amount. Yes, the team is at a disadvantage if the player outperforms and opts out but it's not like they didn't already reap the benefit of the player option.

decrease, no? If you are betting on your player you would rather have him on a fully guaranteed contract. You also have one more season if you know he doesn't want to sign an extension with you so it raises his trade value.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Yes, Chet only gets $11m extra if he makes all-NBA instead of $50m extra.

Huh. Interesting. Presti wants as much control over his future salary as possible. That’s smart.

Similarly, one of the things Langdon has done since taking over in Detroit — there are ZERO player options on the entire roster. Cade didn’t get one earlier, and none of Lagndon’s signees have gotten one. Team options or no options, that’s it. Pretty smart.

Player option is a way to increase the value of a contract without raising the dollar amount. Yes, the team is at a disadvantage if the player outperforms and opts out but it's not like they didn't already reap the benefit of the player option.

There is no benefit of a player option for the team. Yes it’s a plus to the player if the team gives that away in a negotiation. But it’s not ever a good thing for a team.

[vxmike]

Think OkC realize the CBA forces a short window. They might as well maximize their title odds next two seasons.

They’re not gonna pay the tax this year, but ‘26-‘27 they’re screwed having to pay Chet $50m and Williams. They’ve maybe got a three season window before the repeater tax will bite too hard. They’ll have to trade off expensive assets at that point.

[Dadouv47]

Huh. Interesting. Presti wants as much control over his future salary as possible. That’s smart.

Similarly, one of the things Langdon has done since taking over in Detroit — there are ZERO player options on the entire roster. Cade didn’t get one earlier, and none of Lagndon’s signees have gotten one. Team options or no options, that’s it. Pretty smart.

Player option is a way to increase the value of a contract without raising the dollar amount. Yes, the team is at a disadvantage if the player outperforms and opts out but it's not like they didn't already reap the benefit of the player option.

There is no benefit of a player option for the team. Yes it’s a plus to the player if the team gives that away in a negotiation. But it’s not ever a good thing for a team.

yeah pretty much what I said. I was so happy when Shai didn't get his player option. There's a world where Shai would be almost an expiring contract for the 2025-2026 season with OKC struggling and tons of rumors/teams calling for him.

[Dadouv47]

Think OkC realize the CBA forces a short window. They might as well maximize their title odds next two seasons.

They’re not gonna pay the tax this year, but ‘26-‘27 they’re screwed having to pay Chet $50m and Williams. They’ve maybe got a three season window before the repeater tax will bite too hard. They’ll have to trade off expensive assets at that point.

don't really know the details but Presti said in the postseason interview that OKC won't feel the 2nd apron issues before the next CBA starts.

That being said I obviously think we are gonna have to make a choice and likely get rid of one of Cason/Caruso/Hartenstein/Dort in the next offseason (and likely another one in a near future depending on extension talks for Cason/Dort).

[MoneyTalks41890]

Think OkC realize the CBA forces a short window. They might as well maximize their title odds next two seasons.

They’re not gonna pay the tax this year, but ‘26-‘27 they’re screwed having to pay Chet $50m and Williams. They’ve maybe got a three season window before the repeater tax will bite too hard. They’ll have to trade off expensive assets at that point.

In 26-27 SGA, Dub, and Chet will each be roughly 41m per.

Presti has said OKC won’t go into the repeater under this CBA.

27-28 is when Shai’s supermax kicks in and the Thunder will need rookie scale guys.

[BK_2020]

Huh. Interesting. Presti wants as much control over his future salary as possible. That’s smart.

Similarly, one of the things Langdon has done since taking over in Detroit — there are ZERO player options on the entire roster. Cade didn’t get one earlier, and none of Lagndon’s signees have gotten one. Team options or no options, that’s it. Pretty smart.

Player option is a way to increase the value of a contract without raising the dollar amount. Yes, the team is at a disadvantage if the player outperforms and opts out but it's not like they didn't already reap the benefit of the player option.

decrease, no? If you are betting on your player you would rather have him on a fully guaranteed contract. You also have one more season if you know he doesn't want to sign an extension with you so it raises his trade value.

I wasn't clear in my original post. A player option adds value for the player without adding dollar value to the contract, which may then be a greater benefit to the team than giving a larger dollar amount without the player option. It's not a zero sum game.

[BK_2020]

Huh. Interesting. Presti wants as much control over his future salary as possible. That’s smart.

Similarly, one of the things Langdon has done since taking over in Detroit — there are ZERO player options on the entire roster. Cade didn’t get one earlier, and none of Lagndon’s signees have gotten one. Team options or no options, that’s it. Pretty smart.

Player option is a way to increase the value of a contract without raising the dollar amount. Yes, the team is at a disadvantage if the player outperforms and opts out but it's not like they didn't already reap the benefit of the player option.

There is no benefit of a player option for the team. Yes it’s a plus to the player if the team gives that away in a negotiation. But it’s not ever a good thing for a team.

Do you understand that options are value adds and if you take away options, the base dollar amount must increase to meet the same threshold where the other side will agree to sign the contract? A player option is a benefit to the player, but it's a benefit the team offers in lieu of something else--usually dollars.

[Dadouv47]

Think OkC realize the CBA forces a short window. They might as well maximize their title odds next two seasons.

They’re not gonna pay the tax this year, but ‘26-‘27 they’re screwed having to pay Chet $50m and Williams. They’ve maybe got a three season window before the repeater tax will bite too hard. They’ll have to trade off expensive assets at that point.

In 26-27 SGA, Dub, and Chet will each be roughly 41m per.

Presti has said OKC won’t go into the repeater under this CBA.

27-28 is when Shai’s supermax kicks in and the Thunder will need rookie scale guys.

it's a bit tricky because we don't know how much money Dort/Cason can earn but there's a world OKC starts the 2027-2028 season with the same core with only Hartenstein, Kenrich and Isaiah Joe gone.

currently projected a 195 millions team without Cason/Dort extensions and with Isaiah Joe still there.

[MoneyTalks41890]

Player option is a way to increase the value of a contract without raising the dollar amount. Yes, the team is at a disadvantage if the player outperforms and opts out but it's not like they didn't already reap the benefit of the player option.

There is no benefit of a player option for the team. Yes it’s a plus to the player if the team gives that away in a negotiation. But it’s not ever a good thing for a team.

Do you understand that options are value adds and if you take away options, the base dollar amount must increase to meet the same threshold where the other side will agree to sign the contract? A player option is a benefit to the player, but it's a benefit the team offers in lieu of something else--usually dollars.

I don’t think we’re disagreeing but in the context of max extensions it’s usually just a result of superior negotiating leverage from the player or a result of losing the negotiation.

Here OKC limited the incentives and kept the PO off the deal.

In a lot of cases where you aren’t butting up against a max, I’d almost always rather the team offer a little more. POs really screw up any planning for a team.

If it’s a choice of a three year deal or a four year deal same AAV but the four year deal has a PO I’d want the team to go for the three year deal every time.

[ReggiesKnicks]

Think OkC realize the CBA forces a short window. They might as well maximize their title odds next two seasons.

They’re not gonna pay the tax this year, but ‘26-‘27 they’re screwed having to pay Chet $50m and Williams. They’ve maybe got a three season window before the repeater tax will bite too hard. They’ll have to trade off expensive assets at that point.

You're off a bit here.

Jalen and Chet will be making ~41-42 million in 2026-2027. Let's assume it is the higher number, 42 million.

SGA + Chet + JDub: 126 million
Caruso: 19.5 million
Wiggins: 9.2 million
Joe: 11.3 million
Jaylin: 7.7 million
Cason: 7.4 million
Topic: 5.4 million
Sorber: 4.9 million
Ayay: 2.9 million

That's 11 players under contract, 194.3 million

Hartenstein: 28.5 million
Dort: 18.2 million
Kenrich: 7.4

That's 3 players with team options for 54.1 million

The estimated tax line in 2026-2027 is 200 million, 1st apron 209 million.

I think they can duck the tax again in 2026-2027 if they both want to and expect to be well into the 2nd apron in 2027-2028 with SGA's super max.

Realistically, they can trade one of JDub/Chet for an absolute haul following 2026-2027 after having two additional bites at the apple in 2026 and 2027.

[In-N-Out 247]

I’m confused by the title. What didn’t Chet get here besides the player option?

Banchero and Chet both have the same deal (5/240) after next year. Is this implying that Chet doesn’t get the bump to the full 30% of the cap if he makes All-NBA or is DPotY?

In any case, he couldn’t get 250 on the base deal, so the title of this thread is misleading.

Yes, Chet only gets $11m extra if he makes all-NBA instead of $50m extra.

I was playing with the numbers and looks like he gets a 1% kicker instead of 5% - a max extension based on 26% of the cap with 8% raises = $249,531,776.

[Dadouv47]

Think OkC realize the CBA forces a short window. They might as well maximize their title odds next two seasons.

They’re not gonna pay the tax this year, but ‘26-‘27 they’re screwed having to pay Chet $50m and Williams. They’ve maybe got a three season window before the repeater tax will bite too hard. They’ll have to trade off expensive assets at that point.

You're off a bit here.

Jalen and Chet will be making ~41-42 million in 2026-2027. Let's assume it is the higher number, 42 million.

SGA + Chet + JDub: 126 million
Caruso: 19.5 million
Wiggins: 9.2 million
Joe: 11.3 million
Jaylin: 7.7 million
Cason: 7.4 million
Topic: 5.4 million
Sorber: 4.9 million
Ayay: 2.9 million

That's 11 players under contract, 194.3 million

Hartenstein: 28.5 million
Dort: 18.2 million
Kenrich: 7.4

That's 3 players with team options for 54.1 million

The estimated tax line in 2026-2027 is 200 million, 1st apron 209 million.

I think they can duck the tax again in 2026-2027 if they both want to and expect to be well into the 2nd apron in 2027-2028 with SGA's super max.

Realistically, they can trade one of JDub/Chet for an absolute haul following 2026-2027 after having two additional bites at the apple in 2026 and 2027.

still better to keep the "big 3", let Kenrich walk, trade isaiah Joe and hope you can replace Hartenstein with drafted guys (Sorber or another one next year) and pray that you keep drafting decent role players. Probably gonna lose Caruso by then too if u want to keep Dort.

Trading Chet or JDub would only make sense If Presti fail to surround our big 3 and we look terrible outside of them. Eventually gonna happen but 2027 looks way too early if we aren't having some catastrophic injury issues.