Free Agency & Trades Thread 2 **NOW OPEN**

[PushDaRock]

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Who exactly were they bidding against? J Willni get giving the rookie max but Chet? Don’t know about that boss.

lol the entire league? Any team would give him this contract. I'd much rather have Chet on a rookie max than Scottie.

[HumbleRen]

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[OakleyDokely]

HOU, MIA, ORL, TOR will be easy unders in terms of tax by the seasons end, probably PHI, LAL as well.

[douggood]

before some people blow a gasket

Over the Tax:
TOR: $5.2M

Seven NBA teams are currently over the first apron:
TOR: $3.5M

we are 5.2 over the tax when you count the 16 contracts including casleton and lawson
without those 2 around 800k over

we are 3.5 mil over the 1st arpon
when you count castleton and lawson ($4.4) and $6.4 mil of unlikely bonuses player contracts have.

[dhackett1565]

before some people blow a gasket

Over the Tax:
TOR: $5.2M

Seven NBA teams are currently over the first apron:
TOR: $3.5M

we are 5.2 over the tax when you count the 16 contracts including casleton and lawson
without those 2 around 800k over

we are 3.5 mil over the 1st arpon
when you count castleton and lawson and around $6.4 mil of unlikely bonuses player contracts have.

To be fair, you always count unlikely bonuses for apron stuff. So that's valid. But Castleton and Lawson will be cut, so we're right to exclude both from both calcs.

If both are cut, we're a little under the apron, but not far enough to sign a 15th guy, not even a rookie minimum. So we can't use the MLE to sign Martin, for example.

[Zeno]

Surprised people are down on Chet in here. He’d easily be our most impactful player.

He’s coming off a tough hip injury was still able to be a top 5 defender in the playoffs. He’s worth a rookie max, not a supermax though.

The problem is a combination of his injury history and that his extension has supermax language in it. The league is just so stupid right now. Chet is worth the max but the supermax for three players is untenable especially if one of the players is unreliable physically. I think they should have fought harder to avoid any supermax language in Chet's or JWill's extensions. But obviously we should only be so lucky as to have such problems. lol

[douggood]

before some people blow a gasket

Over the Tax:
TOR: $5.2M

Seven NBA teams are currently over the first apron:
TOR: $3.5M

we are 5.2 over the tax when you count the 16 contracts including casleton and lawson
without those 2 around 800k over

we are 3.5 mil over the 1st arpon
when you count castleton and lawson and around $6.4 mil of unlikely bonuses player contracts have.

To be fair, you always count unlikely bonuses for apron stuff. So that's valid. But Castleton and Lawson will be cut, so we're right to exclude both from both calcs.

If both are cut, we're a little under the apron, but not far enough to sign a 15th guy, not even a rookie minimum. So we can't use the MLE to sign Martin, for example.

yes we can sign a 15th guy, we havent hard capped our self. we could resign boucher to 20 mil contract if we wanted.

also we can use mle to sign martin, as long as we dont spend more than the tax MLE.

[HumbleRen]

Surprised people are down on Chet in here. He’d easily be our most impactful player.

He’s coming off a tough hip injury was still able to be a top 5 defender in the playoffs. He’s worth a rookie max, not a supermax though.

The problem is a combination of his injury history and that his extension has supermax language in it. The league is just so stupid right now. Chet is worth the max but the supermax for three players is untenable especially if one of the players is unreliable physically. I think they should have fought harder to avoid any supermax language in Chet's or JWill's extensions. But obviously we should only be so lucky as to have such problems. lol

It’s the poison teams have to swallow with rookies as good as these rookies are.

Would I want to pay Scottie, Paolo, Chet, J Dub, Jaylen Brown, etc of the world’s a supermax? No but this is the CBA both owners and players agreed to.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Surprised people are down on Chet in here. He’d easily be our most impactful player.

He’s coming off a tough hip injury was still able to be a top 5 defender in the playoffs. He’s worth a rookie max, not a supermax though.

The problem is a combination of his injury history and that his extension has supermax language in it. The league is just so stupid right now. Chet is worth the max but the supermax for three players is untenable especially if one of the players is unreliable physically. I think they should have fought harder to avoid any supermax language in Chet's or JWill's extensions. But obviously we should only be so lucky as to have such problems. lol

I think you can fight hard with losers, not champions. Every team will give him what OKC would hold off on, if for no other reason than to weaken OKC.

[Zeno]

before some people blow a gasket

Over the Tax:
TOR: $5.2M

Seven NBA teams are currently over the first apron:
TOR: $3.5M

we are 5.2 over the tax when you count the 16 contracts including casleton and lawson
without those 2 around 800k over

we are 3.5 mil over the 1st arpon
when you count castleton and lawson and around $6.4 mil of unlikely bonuses player contracts have.

To be fair, you always count unlikely bonuses for apron stuff. So that's valid. But Castleton and Lawson will be cut, so we're right to exclude both from both calcs.

If both are cut, we're a little under the apron, but not far enough to sign a 15th guy, not even a rookie minimum. So we can't use the MLE to sign Martin, for example.

We don't need to use the MLE to sign Martin. We can use the new 2nd round exemption and I don't believe that triggers the hardcap at the first apron.

[bballsparkin]

RJ for Monk + Keegan makes sense for both sides.

I'd honestly rather keep RJ unless picks are involved. Monk ain't good and Keegan is a bust.

Re-route Monk for pieces/assets that fit and I'd be game. I'd take a flyer on Keegan maybe a change of scenery would do him some good. Or just keep RJ I don't really care. Taxes aren't my problem. I would buy low on Keegan is all I'm saying.

What pieces?

The Kings are apparently struggling to trade Malik Monk as is so clearly he isn't as valuable as you think he is.

I was thinking anything neutral that fits better. As I wouldn't want Monk taking the minutes from the young guys. I don't think he's valuable. More so interested in Keegan as a reclamation project. But as someone mentioned before me it's not long till Keegan is due for a potential pay raise so maybe it's not worth it especially if there's no takers on Monk. He's possibly signed till 2027/28 with a player option so perhaps that's why he could be hard to move.

If the Raptors lose the play in and finish 13th in the draft is it that bad? Add some more talent. It's supposed to be a good draft. Look at what ATL did with their pick at #13. Traded pick back, still got Newell, and that lovely unprotected FRP that's the best of the Bucks and Pelicans. Now granted that offer is unlikely to be offered again but still I wouldn't mind pick #13 in a strong draft. You don't trade Ochai to duck the cap obviously but if the value is there and players like Battle, Gradey and JKW show promise I'd deal Ochai for the right price even if it meant some losses. Still asset accumulation mode.

But maybe Bobby and Co are playing for their next contracts and you may be right.

Depends on the reason for them losing and where in the play-in they end up. If they're the 7 seed and they lose to some desperation shot or injury derails them a la the Cavs in 2022 then it's whatever. Injuries happen and the play-in is one game (2 if you're 7/8) so anything can happen with a hot hand or quiet night from your best. And of course injuries f*ck everything up like that Cavs 2022 season.

If they're bad from beginning to end and only in the play-in after like 35 wins when Ingram is healthy? Yeah that is bad.

Yeah of course, context always matters. If they **** the bed this season while healthy it will be bad. And if not healthy with IQ nand BI that's not great either. It's not a season that wins are the only focus is what I'm getting at. Plus a pick in the teens next year could be valuable for the team.

[Zeno]

Surprised people are down on Chet in here. He’d easily be our most impactful player.

He’s coming off a tough hip injury was still able to be a top 5 defender in the playoffs. He’s worth a rookie max, not a supermax though.

The problem is a combination of his injury history and that his extension has supermax language in it. The league is just so stupid right now. Chet is worth the max but the supermax for three players is untenable especially if one of the players is unreliable physically. I think they should have fought harder to avoid any supermax language in Chet's or JWill's extensions. But obviously we should only be so lucky as to have such problems. lol

I think you can fight hard with losers, not champions. Every team will give him what OKC would hold off on, if for no other reason than to weaken OKC.

True enough but no other team can offer them a supermax if taken to restricted free agency anyway so the only thing that another team could do to weaken them is to give them an offer sheet of a 2+1 at a much lesser number. This is not about other teams in my opinion, this is about not ruining the vibes currently and it is hard to blame them. just sucks this is how the league is now. No stability

[bballsparkin]

Surprised people are down on Chet in here. He’d easily be our most impactful player.

He’s coming off a tough hip injury was still able to be a top 5 defender in the playoffs. He’s worth a rookie max, not a supermax though.

I'm super high on Chet. I was thinking if they are going to give out these supermaxes they should have it not count against the cap. The supermax portion. I believe you wrote before teams are being punished for drafting well and or developing players in that regard. I agree and it makes no sense.

[ATLTimekeeper]

The problem is a combination of his injury history and that his extension has supermax language in it. The league is just so stupid right now. Chet is worth the max but the supermax for three players is untenable especially if one of the players is unreliable physically. I think they should have fought harder to avoid any supermax language in Chet's or JWill's extensions. But obviously we should only be so lucky as to have such problems. lol

I think you can fight hard with losers, not champions. Every team will give him what OKC would hold off on, if for no other reason than to weaken OKC.

True enough but no other team can offer them a supermax if taken to restricted free agency anyway so the only thing that another team could do to weaken them is to give them an offer sheet of a 2+1 at a much lesser number. This is not about other teams in my opinion, this is about not ruining the vibes currently and it is hard to blame them. just sucks this is how the league is now. No stability

Isn't this contract literally stability?

[Zeno]

I think you can fight hard with losers, not champions. Every team will give him what OKC would hold off on, if for no other reason than to weaken OKC.

True enough but no other team can offer them a supermax if taken to restricted free agency anyway so the only thing that another team could do to weaken them is to give them an offer sheet of a 2+1 at a much lesser number. This is not about other teams in my opinion, this is about not ruining the vibes currently and it is hard to blame them. just sucks this is how the league is now. No stability

Isn't this contract literally stability?

Yes but for how long? If all three qualify for the supermax, they may go two more years beyond next season but after that one of the three is absolutely getting moved because the repeater tax is crazy in this cba. With good management, which they have the might be able to shuffle the deck and stay competitive but these three are very likely going to be broken up in the next couple years.

[HumbleRen]

True enough but no other team can offer them a supermax if taken to restricted free agency anyway so the only thing that another team could do to weaken them is to give them an offer sheet of a 2+1 at a much lesser number. This is not about other teams in my opinion, this is about not ruining the vibes currently and it is hard to blame them. just sucks this is how the league is now. No stability

Isn't this contract literally stability?

Yes but for how long? If all three qualify for the supermax, they may go two more years beyond next season but after that one of the three is absolutely getting moved because the repeater tax is crazy in this cba. With good management, which they have the might be able to shuffle the deck and stay competitive but these three are very likely going to be broken up in the next couple years.

Think the end goal is to clearly remove the supermax counting towards your salary cap if you drafted them.

Makes no sense to penalize homegrown teams.

Or at the very least, make the requirements harder to get a supermax.

3rd all nba team or 2nd team is not that hard to get if you get fortunate with injury luck to other players.

Siakam and Randle both made all nba teams twice in their career. That’s too easy to get.

[dhackett1565]

before some people blow a gasket

we are 5.2 over the tax when you count the 16 contracts including casleton and lawson
without those 2 around 800k over

we are 3.5 mil over the 1st arpon
when you count castleton and lawson and around $6.4 mil of unlikely bonuses player contracts have.

To be fair, you always count unlikely bonuses for apron stuff. So that's valid. But Castleton and Lawson will be cut, so we're right to exclude both from both calcs.

If both are cut, we're a little under the apron, but not far enough to sign a 15th guy, not even a rookie minimum. So we can't use the MLE to sign Martin, for example.

yes we can sign a 15th guy, we havent hard capped our self. we could resign boucher to 20 mil contract if we wanted.

also we can use mle to sign martin, as long as we dont spend more than the tax MLE.

Yes, the full MLE is what I mean. No reason to use the tax MLE, can just offer a minimum exception deal. We want to be able to offer three years to a rookie, which needs the full MLE, and that's what would hard cap us.

We can definitely sign a 15th guy - just can't do it and stay under the apron. Hence the note on the MLE. Should have been clearer and said full MLE, just used to that being a given re: signing 2nd rounders.

[Psubs]

True enough but no other team can offer them a supermax if taken to restricted free agency anyway so the only thing that another team could do to weaken them is to give them an offer sheet of a 2+1 at a much lesser number. This is not about other teams in my opinion, this is about not ruining the vibes currently and it is hard to blame them. just sucks this is how the league is now. No stability

Isn't this contract literally stability?

Yes but for how long? If all three qualify for the supermax, they may go two more years beyond next season but after that one of the three is absolutely getting moved because the repeater tax is crazy in this cba. With good management, which they have the might be able to shuffle the deck and stay competitive but these three are very likely going to be broken up in the next couple years.

Easily you trade Jalen Williams for at least a Desmond Bane haul. Just run it like MJ and Pippen.

[dhackett1565]

before some people blow a gasket

we are 5.2 over the tax when you count the 16 contracts including casleton and lawson
without those 2 around 800k over

we are 3.5 mil over the 1st arpon
when you count castleton and lawson and around $6.4 mil of unlikely bonuses player contracts have.

To be fair, you always count unlikely bonuses for apron stuff. So that's valid. But Castleton and Lawson will be cut, so we're right to exclude both from both calcs.

If both are cut, we're a little under the apron, but not far enough to sign a 15th guy, not even a rookie minimum. So we can't use the MLE to sign Martin, for example.

We don't need to use the MLE to sign Martin. We can use the new 2nd round exemption and I don't believe that triggers the hardcap at the first apron.

It does not trigger a hard cap. We can sign Martin for the minimum with the minimum salary exception, for 2 years, or we can sign him for 3 years (or 4) with the 2nd round exceptions. But the 2nd round exception carries a higher salary than the rookie minimum, which would make it that much harder to duck the tax.

The benefit of using the MLE to sign Martin is you can get three years (and Bird Rights restricted free agency at the end of it, instead of Early Bird after a 2 year deal) and also the rookie minimum this year. But we can't, because of the proximity to the apron.

[God Squad]

So, no one wants Chris Boucher?