What does a Lauri to Detroit trade look like?

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Re: What does a Lauri to Detroit trade look like? 

Post#21 » by OxAndFox » Wed Jul 9, 2025 4:11 am

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jazzfan1971 wrote:I think the Bane deal is a reasonable baseline.


Don't agree with that at all....like radically so.

1.) Bane is better than Lauri
2.) Orlando overpaid for Bane, because I don't think Memphis wanted to trade him, but ended up taking the deal because it solved their JJJ problem.
3.) Bane is younger than Lauri
4.) Bane has shown to be a contributor on a winning team, while Lauri has not.
5.) Bane's contract is reasonable, Lauri's is not

Frankly, I don't know why any team serious about winning would want Lauri. He looks like the PF version of Zach Lavine to me.


Don't you let Vivek hear that talk...otherwise those 5 picks might become a reality. :lol: :cry:
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Re: What does a Lauri to Detroit trade look like? 

Post#22 » by Daddy 801 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 5:31 am

It’s been reported the Jazz want two unprotected first round draft picks. The salary and players probably don’t matter much. But they would probably need to be contracts that expire sooner than later or more compensation would need to come to Utah. I think Utah has enough picks that convey in later years so the picks would probably need to be a 26 and a 27 or 28 pick.


No idea what Detroits draft assets are, but that’s probably what it takes.
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Re: What does a Lauri to Detroit trade look like? 

Post#23 » by Daddy 801 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 5:34 am

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You’re spot on about Ausar. And I think Holland will be starter level someday.

What would you think about 3 unprotected FRPs (26, 28, 30) and Harris? Since we have the Schroeder TPE I don’t think we need to throw in Stewart (who I like as a great teammate and backup C).

I dont think we would want Stewart anyway. For three picks I would say yes if we can't find something better (something with a clear centerpiece).


Harris and 3 picks might be fair value -- but I think it is too soon

I think Detroit is going to rise and fall based on the development of the youngsters: Cade, but also Ivey/Ausar/Duren/Holland/Stewart. If 3 or more of these youngsters take another leap, we have a core, and trading picks for a PF who fits well on paper makes sense. However, if too many of the youngsters fail to develop, then we will regret tying up so much in Markkhanen


Lauri is quite versatile IMO. He could play multiple roles, not just PF.
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Re: What does a Lauri to Detroit trade look like? 

Post#24 » by tmorgan » Wed Jul 9, 2025 5:40 am

Daddy 801 wrote:
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babyjax13 wrote:I dont think we would want Stewart anyway. For three picks I would say yes if we can't find something better (something with a clear centerpiece).


Harris and 3 picks might be fair value -- but I think it is too soon

I think Detroit is going to rise and fall based on the development of the youngsters: Cade, but also Ivey/Ausar/Duren/Holland/Stewart. If 3 or more of these youngsters take another leap, we have a core, and trading picks for a PF who fits well on paper makes sense. However, if too many of the youngsters fail to develop, then we will regret tying up so much in Markkhanen


Lauri is quite versatile IMO. He could play multiple roles, not just PF.


If by multiple, you mean two, sure. He’s played SF before. Run him out there at center and you’re gonna have big problems.
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Re: What does a Lauri to Detroit trade look like? 

Post#25 » by Daddy 801 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 6:08 am

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Harris and 3 picks might be fair value -- but I think it is too soon

I think Detroit is going to rise and fall based on the development of the youngsters: Cade, but also Ivey/Ausar/Duren/Holland/Stewart. If 3 or more of these youngsters take another leap, we have a core, and trading picks for a PF who fits well on paper makes sense. However, if too many of the youngsters fail to develop, then we will regret tying up so much in Markkhanen


Lauri is quite versatile IMO. He could play multiple roles, not just PF.


If by multiple, you mean two, sure. He’s played SF before. Run him out there at center and you’re gonna have big problems.


I wouldn’t want him playing starter center minutes. But with the right type of player he could play C on offense and another player could play C on defense. And I think he is decent enough to play back up C even on defense. Just have to work the rotations right. I’d run him at SF and PF more than anything though.

I think two unprotected picks can get it done depending on the picks. If they are only Detroit picks maybe not. Those are likely to be late first round picks. If Detroit owns another pick from a team that is in limbo and has a chance at being a higher pick than I’m sure Utah would demand one of those. If it’s only Detroit picks I think Utah pushes for 3 hoping one of those years Detroit has a down year.

As an Utah fan I am sort of indifferent if we trade him now. If we do trade him I want him to go to a good team. He’s been a pro. I watched Detroit and Orlando periodically through the year and playoffs. Detroit seems like a good spot for him. Think he could really help Detroit. I think he would be an AllStar in the east and with the east wide open it seems like a good move for Detroit.

Anyways….that’s my opinion.
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Re: What does a Lauri to Detroit trade look like? 

Post#26 » by One_and_Done » Wed Jul 9, 2025 7:23 am

It begins and ends with Ainge getting fired. There's no way that guy is going to accept a rational package for Lauri, which means he's untradeable unless Dumars gets involved.
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Re: What does a Lauri to Detroit trade look like? 

Post#27 » by jazzfan1971 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 1:41 pm

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jazzfan1971 wrote:I think the Bane deal is a reasonable baseline.


Why? Markkanen makes quite a bit more, is a year older and doesnt offer the playmaking banes does. Also had a much worse year last year. I have him worth around 1/2 of banes package


You coiuld be right. This offseason has taught me that miy valuations are terrible. But, in my mind Bane and Lauri are similar value players. I don't put too much weight on last year as the Jazz clearly weren't interested in winning games. But, it's fine if you see it differently.

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Re: What does a Lauri to Detroit trade look like? 

Post#28 » by Kalamazoo317 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 6:12 pm

Lavert + Tobias matches on salary. I think that's the offer plus 2 lightly protected FRP.
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Re: What does a Lauri to Detroit trade look like? 

Post#29 » by RookieJazz » Wed Jul 9, 2025 10:58 pm

I still think the price for Lauri is high and set for the Desmond Bane trade: 4 unprotected FRP.
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Re: What does a Lauri to Detroit trade look like? 

Post#30 » by cgf » Thu Jul 10, 2025 3:33 am

So what are we thinking about

Option A:
Harris + Levert or Robinson + 26 FRP (unp) + 27 swap + 28 FRP (unp)

Duren/Stewart/Reed
Markannen
Thompson/Holland/Klintman
Ivey/Levert or Robinson
Cunningham/Strasser

Option B
Harris + Holland + Strasser + 26 FRP (unp) + 27 swap

Duren/Stewart/Reed
Markannen
Thompson/Robinson/Klintman
Ivey
Cunningham/Levert
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Re: What does a Lauri to Detroit trade look like? 

Post#31 » by AingesBurner » Thu Jul 10, 2025 4:02 am

What’s really being overlooked is the Kessler portion of this…
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Re: What does a Lauri to Detroit trade look like? 

Post#32 » by cgf » Thu Jul 10, 2025 4:20 am

AingesBurner wrote:What’s really being overlooked is the Kessler portion of this…


Pretty sure Detroit is happy with Duren, Stew, & Reed.
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Re: What does a Lauri to Detroit trade look like? 

Post#33 » by tmorgan » Thu Jul 10, 2025 5:19 am

cgf wrote:So what are we thinking about

Option A:
Harris + Levert or Robinson + 26 FRP (unp) + 27 swap + 28 FRP (unp)

Duren/Stewart/Reed
Markannen
Thompson/Holland/Klintman
Ivey/Levert or Robinson
Cunningham/Strasser

Option B
Harris + Holland + Strasser + 26 FRP (unp) + 27 swap

Duren/Stewart/Reed
Markannen
Thompson/Robinson/Klintman
Ivey
Cunningham/Levert


I’m not in charge, obviously, but if I was, there’d be no way I’m including Holland. Strong defense has been a part of every good Detroit team for the last 45 years. Holland posted a positive DBPM as a rookie wing. That’s fairly rare. His outside shot was abysmal, but he finished well. Further, his shot setup and release looks just fine, unlike, say, Ausar Thompson. He’s currently undervalued (as evidenced by using him as a replacement for a single unprotected pick from what should be a good team) and should not be traded.

The first option is discussable, as is something including Ivey. We can figure out our offense without Jaden — indeed, we already have.
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Re: What does a Lauri to Detroit trade look like? 

Post#34 » by Daddy 801 » Thu Jul 10, 2025 11:18 am

cgf wrote:So what are we thinking about

Option A:
Harris + Levert or Robinson + 26 FRP (unp) + 27 swap + 28 FRP (unp)

Duren/Stewart/Reed
Markannen
Thompson/Holland/Klintman
Ivey/Levert or Robinson
Cunningham/Strasser

Option B
Harris + Holland + Strasser + 26 FRP (unp) + 27 swap

Duren/Stewart/Reed
Markannen
Thompson/Robinson/Klintman
Ivey
Cunningham/Levert


I’d say option A. But ultimately I would pass on this deal and wait for something better….

Problem is the East sucks so much that Detroit is clearly going to be a top 1-6 seed for both those drafts and those picks aren’t going to have a chance to hit in the lottery. So I think unless you have picks from other teams I would pass on the deal.
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Re: What does a Lauri to Detroit trade look like? 

Post#35 » by oldncreaky » Thu Jul 10, 2025 1:30 pm

cgf wrote:
AingesBurner wrote:What’s really being overlooked is the Kessler portion of this…


Pretty sure Detroit is happy with Duren, Stew, & Reed.



I'm not sure I'd say "happy", more like "not hopeless". Duren is still just 21, and I hate to assume a kid on his rookie contract is done developing and improving. However, it's not the area of the roster I'm looking to improve/invest rn, and if I was, Kessler doesn't look like a significant step up from what we currently have at C. I definitely wouldn't sacrifice one of our youngsters for Kessler.
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Re: What does a Lauri to Detroit trade look like? 

Post#36 » by zeebneeb » Thu Jul 10, 2025 2:19 pm

oldncreaky wrote:
cgf wrote:
AingesBurner wrote:What’s really being overlooked is the Kessler portion of this…


Pretty sure Detroit is happy with Duren, Stew, & Reed.



I'm not sure I'd say "happy", more like "not hopeless". Duren is still just 21, and I hate to assume a kid on his rookie contract is done developing and improving. However, it's not the area of the roster I'm looking to improve/invest rn, and if I was, Kessler doesn't look like a significant step up from what we currently have at C. I definitely wouldn't sacrifice one of our youngsters for Kessler.
Spot on. Duren has work to do, but his performance in the playoffs gives me great hope. I would love to see a pick&pop with Cade this year as well, instead of always rolling. He is absolutely capable of hitting a 12-15 foot jumper.(Mcdyess)
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Re: What does a Lauri to Detroit trade look like? 

Post#37 » by AingesBurner » Thu Jul 10, 2025 3:28 pm

oldncreaky wrote:
cgf wrote:
AingesBurner wrote:What’s really being overlooked is the Kessler portion of this…


Pretty sure Detroit is happy with Duren, Stew, & Reed.



I'm not sure I'd say "happy", more like "not hopeless". Duren is still just 21, and I hate to assume a kid on his rookie contract is done developing and improving. However, it's not the area of the roster I'm looking to improve/invest rn, and if I was, Kessler doesn't look like a significant step up from what we currently have at C. I definitely wouldn't sacrifice one of our youngsters for Kessler.


This is in relation to XMans trade so…
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Re: What does a Lauri to Detroit trade look like? 

Post#38 » by Vae Victus » Thu Jul 10, 2025 3:48 pm

Daddy 801 wrote:It’s been reported the Jazz want two unprotected first round draft picks. The salary and players probably don’t matter much. But they would probably need to be contracts that expire sooner than later or more compensation would need to come to Utah. I think Utah has enough picks that convey in later years so the picks would probably need to be a 26 and a 27 or 28 pick.


No idea what Detroits draft assets are, but that’s probably what it takes.


The salary of a player means a helluva lot. It determines what sort of surplus value can be assigned to that player and whether he's worth the salary. It's why legit superstars are so invaluable, despite a 30/35% max or supermax, their value to a team from their on court impact goes way beyond the salary. Its why people rightly lost their **** when Luka was traded and Dallas lambasted, his value is so utterly immense the Lakers shoulda been pillage of all available draft assets and giving him a supermax was a no brainer that DAL refused to do.

Lauri making 30% of a team's cap severely limits a team's ability to build out the rest of the roster and its why 2 seasons ago after his crazy breakout while having 2 dirt cheap years remaining on his deal at the time is why Ainge was rightly demanding a superstar package of unprotected FRP/swaps. Ainge screwed up so badly in not trading him when his value/buzz was at its highest, even if he couldnt get the super star Harden/KD/Gobert/DMitch/Bane type of package, even getting 3 lightly protected FRPs/swaps woulda been been great, as it was clear that team wanted to tank and find their future superstar, hence all the benching of vets. Instead Ainge waited around til Lauri's value totally rotted away AND gave him a star level 30% max deal extension, which utterly obliterated whatever surplus value he could've had. Unless you truly believe Lauri is a #1/2 option on a contender, paying him 30% of your cap is far from ideal. 2nd Apron CBA has been team building MUCH harsher in how you allocate your cap.

Just look at Austin Reaves situation. Utterly amazing steal when the Lakers kept him after his rookie contract, 4yrs/50mil (4th yr PO), but as time went on and his cheap years ticked off his value rightly plummetted. Adding Reaves to an established team making 12-13mil a year for at least 2 years meant he had plenty of surplus value, but now that he's in his contract walk year, the Lakers need to decide if its worth keeping Reaves at market rate or not. Reaves already turned down a 4yr/90mil extension offer, so he's clearly hoping he's gonna get paid like offense only gunners like CJ McCollum or Tyler Herro, which is NEVER going to happen again in the new 2nd apron CBA for players of this archetype. Until Reaves is locked in on a fresh deal, his value is low due to the uncertainty of what his next deal may be and the Lakers would be wise to NOT extend Reaves to a deal anywhere past 22mil a year, as that would utterly obliterate any surplus value he may generate, for the type of player he is.

Walker Kessler is gonna be another interesting case study on whether Ainge learned a damned thing or not. A fine young player on his rookie deal and Utah has his RFA rights. It's doubtful Ainge can trade him for a crazy package, sure he has one cheap rookie year left, but he's gonna need to be paid soon (RFA rights is a big bonus though). If Kessler's 2nd contracts is a Zubac level deal (18-20mil a year), then he'll likely have alot of surplus value, if he gets a Poetl sized deal (28mil a year) then kiss any surplus value good bye. Why should a team trade for Kessler when you can just use your cap space to sign a comparable player AND not give up any assets. Kessler is young/good enough to keep around for the next Utah core, just need to be stingy with how much you pay him, HOWEVER you run the risk of turning Kessler disgruntled after a contentious RFA **** negotiation and you might get Ayton'ed.
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Re: What does a Lauri to Detroit trade look like? 

Post#39 » by cgf » Thu Jul 10, 2025 5:02 pm

tmorgan wrote:
cgf wrote:So what are we thinking about

Option A:
Harris + Levert or Robinson + 26 FRP (unp) + 27 swap + 28 FRP (unp)

Duren/Stewart/Reed
Markannen
Thompson/Holland/Klintman
Ivey/Levert or Robinson
Cunningham/Strasser

Option B
Harris + Holland + Strasser + 26 FRP (unp) + 27 swap

Duren/Stewart/Reed
Markannen
Thompson/Robinson/Klintman
Ivey
Cunningham/Levert


I’m not in charge, obviously, but if I was, there’d be no way I’m including Holland. Strong defense has been a part of every good Detroit team for the last 45 years. Holland posted a positive DBPM as a rookie wing. That’s fairly rare. His outside shot was abysmal, but he finished well. Further, his shot setup and release looks just fine, unlike, say, Ausar Thompson. He’s currently undervalued (as evidenced by using him as a replacement for a single unprotected pick from what should be a good team) and should not be traded.

The first option is discussable, as is something including Ivey. We can figure out our offense without Jaden — indeed, we already have.


I like Holland and don’t think he’s worth just one unprotected FRP from a good team like you. But if the two FRPs option gets a hard no and they insist on one of Holland / Ausar / Ivey, I’m not sure how I’d feel.

I’m a Lauri skeptic but he seems like a perfect Harris-upgrade who could really help your kids not just avoid regressing but take another step this year and round out the east’s top 4 with us, Cleveland & Orlando.

And I think having Ivey to help Cade create in the playoffs may help more than having both Holland & Thompson. Because you figured it out without Ivey until you didn’t and we were able to just swallow Cade up with OG & Mikal.

Now Cade will get better and Lauri would upgrade the shooting from the 4 spot even with how well Harris played, but I think you’d need that high level version of Schröder providing a second on-ball creator to give Cade a little more breathing room…at least against teams like us or the Magic.
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Re: What does a Lauri to Detroit trade look like? 

Post#40 » by cgf » Thu Jul 10, 2025 5:05 pm

Daddy 801 wrote:
cgf wrote:So what are we thinking about

Option A:
Harris + Levert or Robinson + 26 FRP (unp) + 27 swap + 28 FRP (unp)

Duren/Stewart/Reed
Markannen
Thompson/Holland/Klintman
Ivey/Levert or Robinson
Cunningham/Strasser

Option B
Harris + Holland + Strasser + 26 FRP (unp) + 27 swap

Duren/Stewart/Reed
Markannen
Thompson/Robinson/Klintman
Ivey
Cunningham/Levert


I’d say option A. But ultimately I would pass on this deal and wait for something better….

Problem is the East sucks so much that Detroit is clearly going to be a top 1-6 seed for both those drafts and those picks aren’t going to have a chance to hit in the lottery. So I think unless you have picks from other teams I would pass on the deal.


That’s not an East thing, that’s a Cade + good defense thing. Butyeah, when it comes to upside, you’d basically only get a super juicy pick if Cade gets hurt one of those years and Ivey + Lauri can’t carry the offense enough without him, or the locker room self destructs after a little success…at least if you couldn’t get Holland from them, cause he is very nice.
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