Celtics 2025-26, Off-Season/Training Camp Thread

[ThePigeon]

Doubt Simons ever plays a game here as Boston continues to look to shed salary and get under the luxury tax.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/281321/Celtics-Continue-To-Explore-Trading-Anfernee-Simons

Sounds to me like Windy making stuff up.

Have the insiders gotten anything Celtics stuff right this year?

Holiday trade - no rumors before hand
Porzingis trade - no rumors before hand
Draft - no mention of Hugo before hand
The randos we signed - no mentions of them before hand

Brad said yesterday we weren’t prioritizing getting below the tax. I trust Brad more than Windy.

So why trade KP and Jrue? Not sign Al and Kornet?

BS. The first priority was and is to get below the tax. Then build a champion (can take several more years)

[Celts17Pride]

Doubt Simons ever plays a game here as Boston continues to look to shed salary and get under the luxury tax.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/281321/Celtics-Continue-To-Explore-Trading-Anfernee-Simons

Sounds to me like Windy making stuff up.

Have the insiders gotten anything Celtics stuff right this year?

Holiday trade - no rumors before hand
Porzingis trade - no rumors before hand
Draft - no mention of Hugo before hand
The randos we signed - no mentions of them before hand

Brad said yesterday we weren’t prioritizing getting below the tax. I trust Brad more than Windy.

So why trade KP and Jrue? Not sign Al and Kornet?

BS. The first priority was and is to get below the tax. Then build a champion (can take several more years)

The first priority was getting in position to be below the 2nd apron so the Celtics have some flexibility to actually do some things.

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[ThePigeon]

Sounds to me like Windy making stuff up.

Have the insiders gotten anything Celtics stuff right this year?

Holiday trade - no rumors before hand
Porzingis trade - no rumors before hand
Draft - no mention of Hugo before hand
The randos we signed - no mentions of them before hand

Brad said yesterday we weren’t prioritizing getting below the tax. I trust Brad more than Windy.

So why trade KP and Jrue? Not sign Al and Kornet?

BS. The first priority was and is to get below the tax. Then build a champion (can take several more years)

The first priority was getting in position to be below the 2nd apron so the Celtics have some flexibility to actually do some things.

I mistakenly thought that getting below the tax is getting below the 2nd apron

[Celts17Pride]

So why trade KP and Jrue? Not sign Al and Kornet?

BS. The first priority was and is to get below the tax. Then build a champion (can take several more years)

The first priority was getting in position to be below the 2nd apron so the Celtics have some flexibility to actually do some things.

I mistakenly thought that getting below the tax is getting below the 2nd apron

2nd apron/1st apron/luxury tax

2nd apron has all the penalties such as freezing 1st round picks, can't take back more money etc.

Celtics needed to get below that to give them more flexibility to make moves.

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Magic should be the team to beat next season in the east, but it all comes down to how the coach can get them there. They also have the pieces to beat OKC.

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Magic should be the team to beat next season in the east, but it all comes down to how the coach can get them there. They also have the pieces to beat OKC.

They are certainly the team to beat in Group B

[hugepatsfan]

I don't think they got below the 2nd apron (or will get below) to really open up any moves for this year. I think it was just about freeing up their picks. If they end the year above the 2nd apron their 2032 pick automatically gets moved to the end of the round and they lose any ability to trade the pick until the selection is made, at which point they can trade draft rights to the player. It also means their 2033 pick next year would be frozen to start, and subject to the same treatment if they ended the year over the 2nd apron again (and then the same thing would carry over to their 2034 pick and so on until they reset).

Even before the Jrue trade they were far below the 2nd apron next year so I don't think ending next year was a concern. But if they stayed over it this year you still deal with the same restrictions. Now by going under this year (technically not under now but will be), they'll enter next year without any restrictions. Their 2032 pick will be unfrozen and tradable and their 2033 pick won't start out frozen.

I guess there are some deal structures they're able to do now that they're in position to duck the 2nd apron, but I really don't think that extra flexibility Brad mentioned was about that. I think it was about the unrestricted ability to use those far off picks to trade for talent that can replace Jrue/Porzingis, who quite frankly probably weren't going to contribute to our next potential title like they did the last one on account of age/injury history.

Obviously there's some financial aspect to the trades, but even basketball wise I just don't think injury prone KP in his 30s and Jrue in his mid to late 30s were going to be great assets for us even in a few years time. If Tatum were healthy there'd have been an argument to stay the course because you obviously have a window open now, but once that went away for at least a year I think there was no financial OR basketball justification to stay over the 2nd apron to keep Jrue/KP.

[hugepatsfan]

The first priority was getting in position to be below the 2nd apron so the Celtics have some flexibility to actually do some things.

I mistakenly thought that getting below the tax is getting below the 2nd apron

2nd apron/1st apron/luxury tax

2nd apron has all the penalties such as freezing 1st round picks, can't take back more money etc.

Celtics needed to get below that to give them more flexibility to make moves.

The penalties are a bit more spread between 1st/2nd than you have.

You need to be under the 1st apron to:

1) Use the full MLE
2) Take back a player in a S&T
3) Execute a trade that takes back more salary than sent out

If you're between the 1st and 2nd apron you can:

1) Use the taxpayers MLE (as opposed to full MLE)
2) Send out a Signed-and-Traded player (but not receive one)

Once you go over the 2nd apron, you lose the ability to do those two things and you also lose the ability to aggregate salary.



The Celtics are so tight against the 2nd apron that practically any move they'd be "allowed" to make, would take them right back over. Therefore, I don't think there's much actual functional utility to them being under the 2nd apron this year other than ditching the pick penalties.

[celtxman]

I mistakenly thought that getting below the tax is getting below the 2nd apron

2nd apron/1st apron/luxury tax

2nd apron has all the penalties such as freezing 1st round picks, can't take back more money etc.

Celtics needed to get below that to give them more flexibility to make moves.

The penalties are a bit more spread between 1st/2nd than you have.

You need to be under the 1st apron to:

1) Use the full MLE
2) Take back a player in a S&T
3) Execute a trade that takes back more salary than sent out

If you're between the 1st and 2nd apron you can:

1) Use the taxpayers MLE (as opposed to full MLE)
2) Send out a Signed-and-Traded player (but not receive one)

Once you go over the 2nd apron, you lose the ability to do those two things and you also lose the ability to aggregate salary.



The Celtics are so tight against the 2nd apron that practically any move they'd be "allowed" to make, would take them right back over. Therefore, I don't think there's much actual functional utility to them being under the 2nd apron this year other than ditching the pick penalties.

We can agree that the Celtics will wind up below the 2nd apron, or lower,, when the books are settled for 25-26. My guess is below the 1st apron. So it's possible to trade Simons and take less money back and then use the MLE or possibly the KP $22 million TPE at the end of the season depending where they wind up. To your point, yes we have to cut more to functionally do anything.

[bucknersrevenge]

As we sit on the eve of Summer League, one of the things I've read recently is that they plan to experiment with the offense a little. Perhaps deviate a little bit from the offense we have run for the better part of these last couple of years. I for one, am here for that. We were in the bottom third in pace last season, and that has to change. And now with halfcourt plodder KP, Al, Jrue, and even to an extent, JT not on the court for this year's iteration of the team, I am interested to see how much faster we can get.

We have most certainly gotten younger and more athletic, which was necessary. Shouldn't have to load manage players anymore for a while, except those coming off of injury. We now have guys that love to push the pace and excel in transition: PP, Jaylen, Minott, Hugo, Simons, and Neemi. We can turn this **** into a track meet now if we want. That certainly holds value.

[Hal14]

Our current offseason/training camp roster which can be up to 21 players.



2 spots open for now..we have until training camp starts on October 1 to fill those last 2 spots..probably with a couple more exhibit 10 guys..

[celticgreenie]

As we sit on the eve of Summer League, one of the things I've read recently is that they plan to experiment with the offense a little. Perhaps deviate a little bit from the offense we have run for the better part of these last couple of years. I for one, am here for that. We were in the bottom third in pace last season, and that has to change. And now with halfcourt plodder KP, Al, Jrue, and even to an extent, JT not on the court for this year's iteration of the team, I am interested to see how much faster we can get.

We have most certainly gotten younger and more athletic, which was necessary. Shouldn't have to load manage players anymore for a while, except those coming off of injury. We now have guys that love to push the pace and excel in transition: PP, Jaylen, Minott, Hugo, Simons, and Neemi. We can turn this **** into a track meet now if we want. That certainly holds value.

And I expect a lot more cutting to the basket.

[Dogen]

Our current offseason/training camp roster which can be up to 21 players.



2 spots open for now..we have until training camp starts on October 1 to fill those last 2 spots..probably with a couple more exhibit 10 guys..

2 1/2 months for Lofton to lose 20 lbs? You can do it Kenny!

[Celts17Pride]

It’s being reported by some that Bassey has signed a training camp deal with the Celtics. I need to get that confirmed.

https://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/former-spurs-big-man-charles-bassey-joins-20766853.php

Bassey told reporters after the game he joined Boston for Summer League at the "last minute" after getting a call from his agent.

"It's been good," he said, adding that the Celtics' "culture" prompted him to sign a training camp deal with the team.

Need confirmation but it sounds like Charles Bassey has a camp deal

[ryan in Maine]

I miss Kornet.

[redslastlaugh]

I miss Kornet.

There's an extant chance he'll be back in Boston after two seasons.

[ryan in Maine]

I miss Kornet.

There's an extant chance he'll be back in Boston after two seasons.

Well ok. I feel better now.

[Hal14]

It’s being reported by some that Bassey has signed a training camp deal with the Celtics. I need to get that confirmed.

https://www.expressnews.com/sports/spurs/article/former-spurs-big-man-charles-bassey-joins-20766853.php

Bassey told reporters after the game he joined Boston for Summer League at the "last minute" after getting a call from his agent.

"It's been good," he said, adding that the Celtics' "culture" prompted him to sign a training camp deal with the team.

Need confirmation but it sounds like Charles Bassey has a camp deal

Seems legit to me. Article written by a guy who has 23K followers and his twitter says he's been covering the spurs for 39 years. Article says he signed a training camp deal. This time of year, some guys playing for a summer league team are only signing a deal to play for the org's SL squad but sometimes (like last year with Ron Harper Jr) they sign on for SL *and* training camp.

We did have 2 open spots on our 21 man training camp roster so it seems like Bassey will be filling 1 of those 2 spots.

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