DAL - NYK - SAC

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DAL Gets: DeMar DeRozan
DAL Gives: Caleb Martin, Naji Marshall, Dwight Powell, & Olivier Maxence Prosper
Why for DAL? The Mavs add a super 6th man in DeRozan who would bring some much needed scoring & playmaking to help keep the Mavs afloat while Irving rehabs. The Mav's size, length, and defense in the frontcourt complements DeRozan well and can help hide his defensive weaknesses.

PG - Irving / Russell / Exum / Williams
SG - Thompson / Christie / Hardy
SF - Flagg / DeRozan
PF - Davis / Washington
C - Lively / Gafford

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NYK Gets: Caleb Martin, Naji Marshall, & Keon Ellis
NYK Gives: Mikal Bridges
Why for NYK? The Knicks move off of Bridge's expiring salary avoiding having to give him a big payday and jamming up their cap situation. As compensation, they get an excellent 3&D 25 year old SG who immediately slots in as a starter next to Brunson. Ellis can easily take the more difficult PG or SG matchup every night allowing Brunson to conserve energy. They also get another solid, versatile forward in Marshall who furthers their defensive identity, can handle the rock, pass, and score for them. Martin give them another bench wing/forward who can do a little bit of everything. In a nutshell, they replace Bridges with a starting level 3&S SG, but they also add more depth to give them a chance at contending for a title (McBride, Clarkson, Martin, Marshall, & Robinson is a MUCH better bench than they had last year).

PG - Brunson / McBride / Kolek
SG - Ellis / Clarkson / Dadiet
SF - Hart / Martin
PF - Anunoby / Marshall / Yabusele
C - Towns / Robinson / Hukporti

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SAC GETS: Mikal Bridges, Dwight Powell, & Olivier Maxence Prosper
SAC GIVES: DeMar DeRozan & Keon Ellis
Why for SAC? The Kings do this to get the best player in the deal and replace DeRozan with a younger, longer, more athletic, better shooting, better defending wing in hopes of improving the chemistry of their team. Losing Ellis hurts, but getting Bridges could be worth it if he can be retained. Plus moving Ellis helps clear our log jam at guard and gives us a guard rotation of Schroder, LaVine, Monk, & Carter. Powell gives them some extra depth at C considering Valanciunas was shipped out and Prosper gives them a low risk swing on a young forward to see if he can develop a 3&D game someday.

PG - Schroder / Monk
SG - LaVine / Carter / Davis
SF - Bridges / Clifford / Prosper
PF - Murray / Raynaud / Saric
C - Sabonis / Powell / Eubanks / Jones

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[ReggiesKnicks]

It is going to be really hard to sell to New York that they traded 4 1sts for 1 year of Mikal Bridges, Caleb Martin, Naji Marshall, and Keon Ellis.

DeMar + Murray + 1st for Mikal + Filler (Caleb + Powell + OMP)
Mikal for Murray + Naji + 1st
Caleb + Naji + Powell + OMP for DeMar

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It is going to be really hard to sell to New York that they traded 4 1sts for 1 year of Mikal Bridges, Caleb Martin, Naji Marshall, and Keon Ellis.

DeMar + Murray + 1st for Mikal + Filler (Caleb + Powell + OMP)
Mikal for Murray + Naji + 1st
Caleb + Naji + Powell + OMP for DeMar

I wouldn't trade Keegan Murray straight up for Mikal Bridges considering their contract situations so that's DOA from my perspective as a Kings fan.

[ReggiesKnicks]

It is going to be really hard to sell to New York that they traded 4 1sts for 1 year of Mikal Bridges, Caleb Martin, Naji Marshall, and Keon Ellis.

DeMar + Murray + 1st for Mikal + Filler (Caleb + Powell + OMP)
Mikal for Murray + Naji + 1st
Caleb + Naji + Powell + OMP for DeMar

I wouldn't trade Keegan Murray straight up for Mikal Bridges considering their contract situations so that's DOA from my perspective as a Kings fan.

But you think New York would sell Mikal for this?

[bpcox05]

It is going to be really hard to sell to New York that they traded 4 1sts for 1 year of Mikal Bridges, Caleb Martin, Naji Marshall, and Keon Ellis.

DeMar + Murray + 1st for Mikal + Filler (Caleb + Powell + OMP)
Mikal for Murray + Naji + 1st
Caleb + Naji + Powell + OMP for DeMar

I wouldn't trade Keegan Murray straight up for Mikal Bridges considering their contract situations so that's DOA from my perspective as a Kings fan.

But you think New York would sell Mikal for this?

Well yeah that's why I proposed the OP to begin with.

[nykballa2k4]

I wouldn't trade Keegan Murray straight up for Mikal Bridges considering their contract situations so that's DOA from my perspective as a Kings fan.

But you think New York would sell Mikal for this?

Well yeah that's why I proposed the OP to begin with.

It's a very easy NO from NY. Got a whole new coach because Bridges didn't like Thibs.

Also Dallas isn't making a move like that for Derozan after the whole "defense wins championships" thing. DeRozan isn't a bad defender IMO, but he isn't elite on offense any more and due to waning offensive efficiency should not be a target for Dallas.

[daoneandonly]

This only benefits Sacramento. They get to dump the worst contract/player combo in DDR and somehow get the best player in Mikal. All without giving up a single pick.

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But you think New York would sell Mikal for this?

Well yeah that's why I proposed the OP to begin with.

It's a very easy NO from NY. Got a whole new coach because Bridges didn't like Thibs.

Also Dallas isn't making a move like that for Derozan after the whole "defense wins championships" thing. DeRozan isn't a bad defender IMO, but he isn't elite on offense any more and due to waning offensive efficiency should not be a target for Dallas.

Bridges is replaced with a high level role player starter and it very much improves their bench. I think they’re a better team after this.

As for Dallas and defense, should they also trade Irving? Should they also trade Thompson? Should they not have signed Russell? Let’s not pretend like this team said that every single player on the roster needs to be a good defender to win a championship. The Mavs have a lot of defense already and I don’t think a 6th man being a sub par defender is the weak link that you might think it is.

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This only benefits Sacramento. They get to dump the worst contract/player combo in DDR and somehow get the best player in Mikal. All without giving up a single pick.

Well I have both DeRozan and Ellis as positive value so…yes we’re trading 2 positive value players for 1 positive value player.

Mavs get much needed scoring/playmaking while having the roster to still produce an elite level defense and have DeRozan comes off the bench.

Knicks get a high level roleplaying starter at SG to replace Bridges (who’s really their 4th option at this point) and much needed depth to help them make a deep, championship run.

[nykballa2k4]

Well yeah that's why I proposed the OP to begin with.

It's a very easy NO from NY. Got a whole new coach because Bridges didn't like Thibs.

Also Dallas isn't making a move like that for Derozan after the whole "defense wins championships" thing. DeRozan isn't a bad defender IMO, but he isn't elite on offense any more and due to waning offensive efficiency should not be a target for Dallas.

Bridges is replaced with a high level role player starter and it very much improves their bench. I think they’re a better team after this.

As for Dallas and defense, should they also trade Irving? Should they also trade Thompson? Should they not have signed Russell? Let’s not pretend like this team said that every single player on the roster needs to be a good defender to win a championship. The Mavs have a lot of defense already and I don’t think a 6th man being a sub par defender is the weak link that you might think it is.

I was being nice the first time, but let me clarify.

Trade is absolute trash from NY perspective. There is a reason you are giving youself Bridges and dumping off DeRozan. You want to make this trade even a conversation? You need to add 2 unprotected and 1 protected FRP. At that point, just cut Dallas out and just give us one player instead of cluttering our roster with wasted money.

Our GM just traded 5 FRP for Bridges. It was a signature move. We just upended our team by getting a new coach, in part, due to criticism from said player. There is no chance that we are going to take a step back in talent this year, unless we are blown away, because Bridges might get paid. With the new CBA, no one will be giving Bridges a giant contract. No one is looking to give Bridges 50M. 25M, 30M will be a stretch.
There is genuinely nothing close to a good reason to do a deal like this. Why am I trading for Mavs Martin when I can get the one waived from the Suns for free?

[daoneandonly]

This only benefits Sacramento. They get to dump the worst contract/player combo in DDR and somehow get the best player in Mikal. All without giving up a single pick.

Well I have both DeRozan and Ellis as positive value so…yes we’re trading 2 positive value players for 1 positive value player.

Mavs get much needed scoring/playmaking while having the roster to still produce an elite level defense and have DeRozan comes off the bench.

Knicks get a high level roleplaying starter at SG to replace Bridges (who’s really their 4th option at this point) and much needed depth to help them make a deep, championship run.

You have DDR as that as a kings fan. DDDr is an oxymoron, a shooting guard who can't shoot or guard. Dallas doesn't need that

[nykballa2k4]

^^ Just to add, Bridges probably falls into the same category as White from the Celtics. So 4/130M maybe a little more with the cap increasing, but that sort of thing. He is going to be paid like a 3rd option.

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It's a very easy NO from NY. Got a whole new coach because Bridges didn't like Thibs.

Also Dallas isn't making a move like that for Derozan after the whole "defense wins championships" thing. DeRozan isn't a bad defender IMO, but he isn't elite on offense any more and due to waning offensive efficiency should not be a target for Dallas.

Bridges is replaced with a high level role player starter and it very much improves their bench. I think they’re a better team after this.

As for Dallas and defense, should they also trade Irving? Should they also trade Thompson? Should they not have signed Russell? Let’s not pretend like this team said that every single player on the roster needs to be a good defender to win a championship. The Mavs have a lot of defense already and I don’t think a 6th man being a sub par defender is the weak link that you might think it is.

I was being nice the first time, but let me clarify.

Trade is absolute trash from NY perspective. There is a reason you are giving youself Bridges and dumping off DeRozan. You want to make this trade even a conversation? You need to add 2 unprotected and 1 protected FRP. At that point, just cut Dallas out and just give us one player instead of cluttering our roster with wasted money.

Our GM just traded 5 FRP for Bridges. It was a signature move. We just upended our team by getting a new coach, in part, due to criticism from said player. There is no chance that we are going to take a step back in talent this year, unless we are blown away, because Bridges might get paid. With the new CBA, no one will be giving Bridges a giant contract. No one is looking to give Bridges 50M. 25M, 30M will be a stretch.
There is genuinely nothing close to a good reason to do a deal like this. Why am I trading for Mavs Martin when I can get the one waived from the Suns for free?

Many of your points don’t amount to the trade being “trash.” It amounts to the Knicks overpaying for Bridges and expecting the same return later down the road (and while he’s an expiring of all things).

If you still expect a 5 1st round pick value for an expiring Bridges, that has more to do with your expectations and less about what his actual value is.

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This only benefits Sacramento. They get to dump the worst contract/player combo in DDR and somehow get the best player in Mikal. All without giving up a single pick.

Well I have both DeRozan and Ellis as positive value so…yes we’re trading 2 positive value players for 1 positive value player.

Mavs get much needed scoring/playmaking while having the roster to still produce an elite level defense and have DeRozan comes off the bench.

Knicks get a high level roleplaying starter at SG to replace Bridges (who’s really their 4th option at this point) and much needed depth to help them make a deep, championship run.

You have DDR as that as a kings fan. DDDr is an oxymoron, a shooting guard who can't shoot or guard. Dallas doesn't need that

Well it’s easy to make such a claim when you only focus on his weaknesses. It turns out, his strengths would actually help fill a need for DAL hence why he’s a good fit (especially since the personnel around him help cover for his deficiencies).

[bpcox05]

^^ Just to add, Bridges probably falls into the same category as White from the Celtics. So 4/130M maybe a little more with the cap increasing, but that sort of thing. He is going to be paid like a 3rd option.

But being used as a 4th option. Not a wise use of the cap. A high end roleplaying starter makes a lot more sense and won’t hurt your cap sheet as much allowing you to round out your bench more strengthening the team overall (something the Knicks desperately needed during last years run).

[daoneandonly]

Well I have both DeRozan and Ellis as positive value so…yes we’re trading 2 positive value players for 1 positive value player.

Mavs get much needed scoring/playmaking while having the roster to still produce an elite level defense and have DeRozan comes off the bench.

Knicks get a high level roleplaying starter at SG to replace Bridges (who’s really their 4th option at this point) and much needed depth to help them make a deep, championship run.

You have DDR as that as a kings fan. DDDr is an oxymoron, a shooting guard who can't shoot or guard. Dallas doesn't need that

Well it’s easy to make such a claim when you only focus on his weaknesses. It turns out, his strengths would actually help fill a need for DAL hence why he’s a good fit (especially since the personnel around him help cover for his deficiencies).

Then keep him. You have Mavs paying the majority of the garbage return NY is getting, yet somehow Sacramento ends up with Bridges. The trade is abysmal for NY and bad for Dallas

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You have DDR as that as a kings fan. DDDr is an oxymoron, a shooting guard who can't shoot or guard. Dallas doesn't need that

Well it’s easy to make such a claim when you only focus on his weaknesses. It turns out, his strengths would actually help fill a need for DAL hence why he’s a good fit (especially since the personnel around him help cover for his deficiencies).

Then keep him. You have Mavs paying the majority of the garbage return NY is getting, yet somehow Sacramento ends up with Bridges. The trade is abysmal for NY and bad for Dallas

The Kings have an abundance of ball handlers/playmakers (Schroder, Monk, LaVine, DeRozan, & Sabonis) and we don’t have the defense to hide his deficiencies hence why it’d make sense for the Kings to move him but would be a good fit in DAL. It’s not a matter of just keeping him. It’s a matter of assessing his fit with our team and other teams and DAL is a good fit.

And no, SAC is giving up a lot more value in this trade than DAL. I’m assuming you’re undervaluing Keon Ellis here.

[nykballa2k4]

^^ Just to add, Bridges probably falls into the same category as White from the Celtics. So 4/130M maybe a little more with the cap increasing, but that sort of thing. He is going to be paid like a 3rd option.

But being used as a 4th option. Not a wise use of the cap. A high end roleplaying starter makes a lot more sense and won’t hurt your cap sheet as much allowing you to round out your bench more strengthening the team overall (something the Knicks desperately needed during last years run).

We are more likely to turn two of our top 4 into Giannis than to turn Bridges into a dime-store value.

[Djh7475]

I’ve got a package of Demar/Keon as negative value. Keon is due for a solid raise at the same time as Bridges, and Derozan isn’t worth near what he’s paid. When a team sends out a negative package but gets back a guy that was acquired for 5 1sts a year ago, it’s an easy no.

[daoneandonly]

Well it’s easy to make such a claim when you only focus on his weaknesses. It turns out, his strengths would actually help fill a need for DAL hence why he’s a good fit (especially since the personnel around him help cover for his deficiencies).

Then keep him. You have Mavs paying the majority of the garbage return NY is getting, yet somehow Sacramento ends up with Bridges. The trade is abysmal for NY and bad for Dallas

The Kings have an abundance of ball handlers/playmakers (Schroder, Monk, LaVine, DeRozan, & Sabonis) and we don’t have the defense to hide his deficiencies hence why it’d make sense for the Kings to move him but would be a good fit in DAL. It’s not a matter of just keeping him. It’s a matter of assessing his fit with our team and other teams and DAL is a good fit.

And no, SAC is giving up a lot more value in this trade than DAL. I’m assuming you’re undervaluing Keon Ellis here.

Why can't you accept you posted a bad trade? We all do it more often than not. A NY fan and a Dal fan is telling you the trade is not good, not just for our own team, but each other's as well. Yet you're still arguing it's fair