Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Livingston Back on a 1 Year Deal - Page 76

[ajb905]

Horst: Kyle, truly, is versatile, we look at him as a Swiss Army knife. Can offensively play at least four, if not five positions. Defensively, probably three. He just plays with a pace and a speed and athleticism that we think will really help us against the teams we have to beat in the playoffs and there’s really good teams in our conference.

Listen, Khris is an incredible player, an incredible shot-taker, shot-maker. But we have really good shooting on our team.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6128410/2025/02/11/jon-horst-bucks-kyle-kuzma-trade-deadline/

It seems Bucks haven't learned the lesson of fit around Giannis with targets like Barrett, Kuminga, and even Monk.

They all might be better fits than Kuzma, but that is the lowest bar imaginable.

Having an athletic wing who can play D should be a goal (Kuzma, Barrett, Monk are not that...Kuminga is athletic but doesn't play D), but having spacing around Giannis is paramount and these guys don't fit the bill

[buckboy]

Here's Article VII (h) of the 2023 CBA, pg 265:

(h) If a Team trades a player and the assignee Team subsequently
places the player on waivers, the assignor Team shall not be permitted to
sign the player to a new Contract (or claim the player off of waivers) before
the earlier of: (i) one (1) year following the date all conditions to the trade
were satisfied; or (ii) the July 1 following the last Season of the player’s
Player Contract.

So 1 year from the trade date. That sucks. I hope they don't buy him out early.

[Bernman]

Horst: Kyle, truly, is versatile, we look at him as a Swiss Army knife. Can offensively play at least four, if not five positions. Defensively, probably three. He just plays with a pace and a speed and athleticism that we think will really help us against the teams we have to beat in the playoffs and there’s really good teams in our conference.

Listen, Khris is an incredible player, an incredible shot-taker, shot-maker. But we have really good shooting on our team.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6128410/2025/02/11/jon-horst-bucks-kyle-kuzma-trade-deadline/

It seems Bucks haven't learned the lesson of fit around Giannis with targets like Barrett, Kuminga, and even Monk.

They all might be better fits than Kuzma, but that is the lowest bar imaginable.

Having an athletic wing who can play D should be a goal (Kuzma, Barrett, Monk are not that...Kuminga is athletic but doesn't play D), but having spacing around Giannis is paramount and these guys don't fit the bill

He is that. Just was a saboteur on offense last season. He's got more role player ability w/in him than the others. Just a matter if he can accept that's what he is, revert to the prior 2 seasons where he shot 40% on corner 3's, & attack closeouts. Not holding my breath.

Just expecting a reversion to career norms, & hopefully from a 6th man & w/ Giannis at the 5 sometimes, if Doc has sense (not holding my breath there either).

[MickeyDavis]

Regardless it sure would be nice if we don't wait until September to finish finalizing the roster...this is like watching paint dry waiting for Bucks news!

It would be nice. But the roster for this year won't be considered finished until Feb. 6

[Bernman]

Tank the NBA Cup.

[-Jragon-]

I'd say if you want to compete for a ring everyone should be 2 way players or don't sign them.. no exceptions. BP was a mistake, don't let it happen again.

[Gianstoppable]

There's literally zero chance we get RJ Barrett for Kuzma and AJJ.

True but add that 1st its a done deal.

Then that trade sucks for us, I'd rather hold Kuzma and hope for some positive regression then give up the 31 1st for RJ, he's just not that big of a needle mover.


We should be going all in on Beal but I doubt we land him. I'd love RJ if we did Kuzma + but no way I'm reading that 1st for him

[-Jragon-]

BP isn't expensive though; not a terrible contract. If Sims is who we think he is then BP should be the hot name at the deadline being shopped to teams in injury trouble or who need a starter that can volume score.

[Gianstoppable]

I kind of like the lineup (if we stand pat) of KPJ, Green, Giannis, Bobby, Myles

Myles and Giannis can block out Bobby's defensive shortcomings and Bobby's a great rebounder (Myles is not) Green and KPJ defending guards should be good too.

[Profound23]

I'd say if you want to compete for a ring everyone should be 2 way players or don't sign them.. no exceptions.

Agreed!

BP was a mistake, don't let it happen again.

Disagreed!

[yb90]

Horst: Kyle, truly, is versatile, we look at him as a Swiss Army knife. Can offensively play at least four, if not five positions. Defensively, probably three. He just plays with a pace and a speed and athleticism that we think will really help us against the teams we have to beat in the playoffs and there’s really good teams in our conference.

Listen, Khris is an incredible player, an incredible shot-taker, shot-maker. But we have really good shooting on our team.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6128410/2025/02/11/jon-horst-bucks-kyle-kuzma-trade-deadline/

It seems Bucks haven't learned the lesson of fit around Giannis with targets like Barrett, Kuminga, and even Monk.

They all might be better fits than Kuzma, but that is the lowest bar imaginable.

Having an athletic wing who can play D should be a goal (Kuzma, Barrett, Monk are not that...Kuminga is athletic but doesn't play D), but having spacing around Giannis is paramount and these guys don't fit the bill

The only semi legit 3 and D guy available is Quentin Grimes. I would go with him over Barrett and Kuminga because of his shooting and defense but there is a 3 year age difference separating Kuminga from both Grimes and Barrett. Potential is Kuminga's saving grace. He could blossom into a good player or stay a 6'8 Jalen Green.

[raferfenix]

Toronto has long been interested in Monk, Kings looking to move him, and the Kings have coveted Kuzma for years.

Hadn't seen this before.

Quick google brought up the following piece from Kris Pursiainen June 17 fwiw:

The Raptors have demonstrated interest in acquiring Kings guard Malik Monk in a potential trade, with that interest dating back at least to February's trade deadline.

The Kings weren't actively shopping their marquee players then. But the team is now under new management. The extent to which GM Scott Perry is actually willing to deal any of Sacramento's marquee players is unknown.

League sources say the Kings have been listening to trade offers from other teams. But that could be Perry simply gathering intelligence on his new roster. The Durant trade saga playing out will allow other pieces of the NBA offseason to fall into place. If Sacramento decides that trading Monk could potentially serve them best long term, they'll have at least one suitor for him in Toronto.

Perry, because of his time with the New York Knicks, has preexisting relationships with at least two Raptors. Barrett and Quickley could be worth monitoring as part of any potential return in a deal for Monk.

https://clutchpoints.com/nba/toronto-raptors/raptors-sources-trade-interest-kings-malik-monk

[ajb905]

Horst: Kyle, truly, is versatile, we look at him as a Swiss Army knife. Can offensively play at least four, if not five positions. Defensively, probably three. He just plays with a pace and a speed and athleticism that we think will really help us against the teams we have to beat in the playoffs and there’s really good teams in our conference.

Listen, Khris is an incredible player, an incredible shot-taker, shot-maker. But we have really good shooting on our team.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6128410/2025/02/11/jon-horst-bucks-kyle-kuzma-trade-deadline/

It seems Bucks haven't learned the lesson of fit around Giannis with targets like Barrett, Kuminga, and even Monk.

They all might be better fits than Kuzma, but that is the lowest bar imaginable.

Having an athletic wing who can play D should be a goal (Kuzma, Barrett, Monk are not that...Kuminga is athletic but doesn't play D), but having spacing around Giannis is paramount and these guys don't fit the bill

He is that. Just was a saboteur on offense last season. He's got more role player ability w/in him than the others. Just a matter if he can accept that's what he is, revert to the prior 2 seasons where he shot 40% on corner 3's, & attack closeouts. Not holding my breath.

Just expecting a reversion to career norms, & hopefully from a 6th man & w/ Giannis at the 5 sometimes, if Doc has sense (not holding my breath there either).

He's athletic and can play on-ball D. But his off-ball D (BBIQ) is easily exposed. Bad on rotations and help.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

as far as actual fit and need positionally...if kuzma was available for a vet min he'd be better for us than everybody else were talking about.

hes inefficient as hell but he can spam **** onto the rim at will and defend within the system. we have a ton of one dimensional high efficiency guys on this roster to put around a spammer type. effing prince led the league in efficiency and yall hate him. play him if kuz goes off the rails. play ajj even.

but whose gonna be that guy that can spam and not be that dick if you have to sit him if hes being a dork? beal? westbrook? paul? brogdon and his smarter than everybody he knows ass? i dont know which but we have kuzma and next year he could actually have positive value if were just PATIENT.

stetching dame was smart but moving kuzma with a pick is what smacks me as desperate.

i think our roster needs to be exactly what it is for now. maybe add thanasis. thats a no brainer. he might actually need to play this year in that 3 hole. prince/ kuzma/ thansais/ ajj .... those are our sf's...i feel good about the rest

pg is a stretch but we need to just throw the balls out with rollins and kpj. if they cant figure it out then we at least know who we need to trade kuz and those picks for the following year. were in a great spot. we dont have a bad contract next offseason. lets keep it that way

[RogerMurdock]

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[M-C-G]

as far as actual fit and need positionally...if kuzma was available for a vet min he'd be better for us than everybody else were talking about.

hes inefficient as hell but he can spam **** onto the rim at will and defend within the system. we have a ton of one dimensional high efficiency guys on this roster to put around a spammer type. effing prince led the league in efficiency and yall hate him. play him if kuz goes off the rails. play ajj even.

but whose gonna be that guy that can spam and not be that dick if you have to sit him if hes being a dork? beal? westbrook? paul? brogdon and his smarter than everybody he knows ass? i dont know which but we have kuzma and next year he could actually have positive value if were just PATIENT.

stetching dame was smart but moving kuzma with a pick is what smacks me as desperate.

i think our roster needs to be exactly what it is for now. maybe add thanasis. thats a no brainer. he might actually need to play this year in that 3 hole. prince/ kuzma/ thansais/ ajj .... those are our sf's...i feel good about the rest

pg is a stretch but we need to just throw the balls out with rollins and kpj. if they cant figure it out then we at least know who we need to trade kuz and those picks for the following year. were in a great spot. we dont have a bad contract next offseason. lets keep it that way

I get your point but we are like 90% of the way there and still have assets (not many), being patient with roster as constructed is fine, but IF that 25 year old (ish) SF is out there, it fixes a lot. For example if Kuz and first gets us Herb Jones that is incredibly young, fun roster.

Now if they think Tyler Smith is the guy, sure, but I’m just not sure.

[ReddRum]

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[raferfenix]

I could see our best chance at maximizing a Kuzma transaction being with a cash conscious team looking to take advantage of our ability to bring in $6M over what Kuzma makes.

That's where a straight swap works of Kuzma at $22M for someone like Barrett at $27M.

Or Kuzma + Ajax's $2M for Quickley's $32M.

(Of course multi-team trades are possible am not saying Toronto wants Kuz).

But to GOS's point, Kuzma will be that much more valuable towards the deadline or next offseason when his declining contract has only a year to go, even aside from whether he plays better on the court than his playoff abomination which the team very well might expect him to do.

[pifhluk23]

I kind of like the lineup (if we stand pat) of KPJ, Green, Giannis, Bobby, Myles

Myles and Giannis can block out Bobby's defensive shortcomings and Bobby's a great rebounder (Myles is not) Green and KPJ defending guards should be good too.

Offensively that's a top 5 lineup. Defensively though you are going to get Bobby and Turner spammed in pnr. If we had a coach it might not be an issue using Bobby and Turner creatively like jumping out on picks occasionally.

That lineup does also fit Doc's "Go Big or Go Home" mantra, though he'd probably play Prince over AJG...

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

as far as actual fit and need positionally...if kuzma was available for a vet min he'd be better for us than everybody else were talking about.

hes inefficient as hell but he can spam **** onto the rim at will and defend within the system. we have a ton of one dimensional high efficiency guys on this roster to put around a spammer type. effing prince led the league in efficiency and yall hate him. play him if kuz goes off the rails. play ajj even.

but whose gonna be that guy that can spam and not be that dick if you have to sit him if hes being a dork? beal? westbrook? paul? brogdon and his smarter than everybody he knows ass? i dont know which but we have kuzma and next year he could actually have positive value if were just PATIENT.

stetching dame was smart but moving kuzma with a pick is what smacks me as desperate.

i think our roster needs to be exactly what it is for now. maybe add thanasis. thats a no brainer. he might actually need to play this year in that 3 hole. prince/ kuzma/ thansais/ ajj .... those are our sf's...i feel good about the rest

pg is a stretch but we need to just throw the balls out with rollins and kpj. if they cant figure it out then we at least know who we need to trade kuz and those picks for the following year. were in a great spot. we dont have a bad contract next offseason. lets keep it that way

I get your point but we are like 90% of the way there and still have assets (not many), being patient with roster as constructed is fine, but IF that 25 year old (ish) SF is out there, it fixes a lot. For example if Kuz and first gets us Herb Jones that is incredibly young, fun roster.

Now if they think Tyler Smith is the guy, sure, but I’m just not sure.

herb jones of course im in. im talking about moving him just to move him. its the barrets or the kumingas.....for guys other teams on the struggle dont want or dont want to pay because they have similar warts. why would we burn that pick and lock ourselves into a worse contract than kuzma? we want a new guy to try and dump?

we need a solid 3/d sf. maybe even a guy that can intitiate and star in that role like khris. hes not the guy but hes also kinda the guy if you squint and cross your fingers?

but for nesxt year immediately.....we also need guys that can spam the rim at any position. he can do that. like theres literally a chance hes more efficient than kpj next year in a primary role. and thats not nuts to say. if hes crap in efficiency, which he will be....at least he can initiate. hes basically herb jones defensively and westbrook lite on offense. thats something kinda

i say we just keep him and roll with him until that GREAT deal shows up. no idea what it is but we'll know it when we see it