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Re: Around the NBA (Part Three) 

Post#101 » by Battletrigger » Wed Jul 9, 2025 7:35 pm

BlacJacMac wrote:I'm also still struggling with the concept that we apparently have the most talented team in the league, and Finch is the reason we didn't win the last 2 titles, yet Connelly needs to go.

Is it just because TC hasn't fired Finch and replaced him with...ummm...Malone? Brown? Nori?

Or is it because TC didn't miraculously turn SloMo's contract into a contending level starting PG?


I don't see the point to discuss with that person, all is **** to him.

I still remember when he said that clearly Finch had to go and we had to copy what the Knicks did with Thibs. Then, of course, came the search of coach and didn't see him again telling that.

Another fun quote was when he said that Finch was a bad coach, and other teams had much better coaches, when inquired one, he admitted that didn't follow other teams and hadn't watch another coachs.

Of course we have margin to get better, but there is no point to discuss when the other part is blinded and not rationale.
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Re: Around the NBA (Part Three) 

Post#102 » by minimus » Wed Jul 9, 2025 7:43 pm

It is off-season talk. No one cares
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Re: Around the NBA (Part Three) 

Post#103 » by KGdaBom » Wed Jul 9, 2025 7:46 pm

Chet is getting paid.

Chet Holmgren, Thunder Agree To Five-Year Rookie Max Worth Up To $250M
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Re: Around the NBA (Part Three) 

Post#104 » by Note30 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 8:14 pm

Domejandro wrote:Any analysis between Oklahoma City and Minnesota needs to start with the fact that the gap between Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and Anthony Edwards is extremely substantial.


I don't know if that's true. I think a more apt comparison would be around the systems the two players have. Shai is a facilitator, he has a lot of weapons around him he can use.

Ant on the other hand, imo does not have the talent around him that complements him. This is not to say the roster is devoid or talent but more so that the players he has around him are bad fits.

I'm sure I could hand pick good players around him at similar talent levels that would allow him to perform in a way that would make him seem much better than Shai.

For example

Gobert -- Cade Cunningham
Randle -- JJJ
McDaniels - Miles Bridges
DiVencenzo - Corey Kispert

If that was the starting roster around Ant instead, he'd probably look a lot better than Shai.
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Re: Around the NBA (Part Three) 

Post#105 » by Domejandro » Wed Jul 9, 2025 8:54 pm

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Domejandro wrote:Any analysis between Oklahoma City and Minnesota needs to start with the fact that the gap between Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and Anthony Edwards is extremely substantial.


Elaborate please.

SGA is a consensus top three player and came off an MVP season, while Anthony Edwards is a top fifteen player. They aren’t equivalent players, at this stage in their careers.
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Re: Around the NBA (Part Three) 

Post#106 » by Domejandro » Wed Jul 9, 2025 8:56 pm

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Domejandro wrote:Any analysis between Oklahoma City and Minnesota needs to start with the fact that the gap between Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and Anthony Edwards is extremely substantial.


I don't know if that's true. I think a more apt comparison would be around the systems the two players have. Shai is a facilitator, he has a lot of weapons around him he can use.

I am standing very firm on this take, the gap is significant. People don’t realize how good SGA is.
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Re: Around the NBA (Part Three) 

Post#107 » by winforlose » Wed Jul 9, 2025 9:04 pm

Domejandro wrote:
winforlose wrote:
Domejandro wrote:Any analysis between Oklahoma City and Minnesota needs to start with the fact that the gap between Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and Anthony Edwards is extremely substantial.


Elaborate please.

SGA is a consensus top three player and came off an MVP season, while Anthony Edwards is a top fifteen player. They aren’t equivalent players, at this stage in their careers.


1. Is there really any doubt that the MVP was Jokic? I mean compare the talent Jokic had and the talent SGA had. Jokic fatigue is the only reason SGA got it.

2. My problem with SGA is he is whistle dependent. He is like Embiid and Harden in the sense that his game draws fouls, but refs also ignore all his fouls. He is allowed to push off in a way that 90% of players cannot come close to. If you take that away and make him play honest basketball, he is not close to top 3. I would argue he might not even be top 10 or top 15. I mean imagine Ant being allowed to fully extend his off arm into defenders and getting the whistle when they make any contact whatsoever.

3. Ant is a better defender. Offensively both bend the defense, SGA is hands down the better playmaker and distributor, but SGA is also a PG. Ant is a SG being asked to play PG. It just is not Ant’s main strength. Ant’s strength is his shooting, cutting, offensive gravity.

I get why you give the SGA the nod, but to say the difference is vast is where you lose me. I also think if we are being candid, in a properly officiated league either Ant gets more whistles or SGA gets fewer, either way that gap narrows real quick.
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Re: Around the NBA (Part Three) 

Post#108 » by shangrila » Wed Jul 9, 2025 9:21 pm

Domejandro wrote:
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Domejandro wrote:Any analysis between Oklahoma City and Minnesota needs to start with the fact that the gap between Shai Gilgeous-Alexander and Anthony Edwards is extremely substantial.


I don't know if that's true. I think a more apt comparison would be around the systems the two players have. Shai is a facilitator, he has a lot of weapons around him he can use.

I am standing very firm on this take, the gap is significant. People don’t realize how good SGA is.

Yeah, I'm with you on this one. It doesn't diminish Ant's abilities, nor are we (I assume, don't want to put words in your mouth) saying Ant can't get to that level eventually, but SGA is on a different level right now.

And the league will never be officiated "fairly", so that's an absolutely stupid argument for anyone to make.
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Post#109 » by Shaka_Zulu » Wed Jul 9, 2025 9:26 pm

Yeah the gap has grown significantly between Ant and Shai. He plays alot smarter, more efficient, has a to die for go to scoring moves (he rivals Durant in middies) that Ant would be lucky if he got that in his repertoire.


Ant plays alot more stupid then we realize compared to Shai. Let's hope the age gap of 3-4 years will give Ant the time he needs to bridge that and become a cold assassin monster like Shai.
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Re: Around the NBA (Part Three) 

Post#110 » by younggunsmn » Wed Jul 9, 2025 9:39 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
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KGdaBom wrote:OMG I called him a Negative Nellie. I stand by it. He's been the most negative poster on the board. If you agree with his negativity that is your choice. I'm not drinking any Kool-Aid. I'm just going by the fact that we have had our 2 most successful seasons in history behind the leadership of Connelly and Finch. The very two leaders that W4L despises.


It's irrelevant how negative or positive his views are. Also fwiw, didn't say you were drinking the Kool aid. Just pointing out that whether or not your are a fan or supporter of anything has nothing to do with gripes or criticisms one has.

If he's pissed, he's pissed. Doesn't mean he's not a fan. He's just a disgruntled one.

He's a fan of the Timberwolves and hates everything that makes us the Timberwolves, but that is a little strange.


If he's the most negative poster you're the most positive and reflexively defensive of the team and its decisions.
It takes all kinds.
There's no need to police the tones of other posters posts.
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Post#111 » by younggunsmn » Wed Jul 9, 2025 10:03 pm

shangrila wrote:
Domejandro wrote:
Note30 wrote:
I don't know if that's true. I think a more apt comparison would be around the systems the two players have. Shai is a facilitator, he has a lot of weapons around him he can use.

I am standing very firm on this take, the gap is significant. People don’t realize how good SGA is.

Yeah, I'm with you on this one. It doesn't diminish Ant's abilities, nor are we (I assume, don't want to put words in your mouth) saying Ant can't get to that level eventually, but SGA is on a different level right now.

And the league will never be officiated "fairly", so that's an absolutely stupid argument for anyone to make.

This is true. Shai is the 2nd or 3rd best player in the league after Jokic and maybe Giannis.
We all hate the flopping and foul baiting but Shai both has more in his bag and plays a much better overall team game.
That's not to say Ant isn't great and we all don't love Ant, Shai is just better right now.

I would make a few additional points:
1. Shai functions as a true PG. He runs the team and there is not need at all for OKC to play a traditional PG while he is on the floor.
He has a better handle and is much more polished attacking double and triple teams and avoiding driving into gap help.

2. Shai is a legit 6'6 and we all forget that because he is also so skinny. It helps him get off all those floaters, contested layups and mid range step backs.

3. OKC has better offensive construction around Shai. Their bigs are skilled, they are good pocket passers and can shoot (even Jaylin WIlliams).
They have a legit shot creating 2nd option in Jalen WIlliams. Every single other player they put on the floor can shoot 3s above average.
And every player they put on the floor fits within their overall scheme. There is never more than one player out there who can't stretch the floor and there are often 5 players out there who can stretch the floor.

Now look at us. Our bigs are all poor pocket passers. Randle has one trick and its either post up or drive and kick to shooters.
He's an inconsistent outside shooter. He can't run either side of a pick and roll for a guy who is supposed to be your 2nd option.
If he is going to be our 2nd option we need to put more in his bag.
OKC was ready and waiting to take away what he does well and we didn't have any counters.

Gobert has stone hands and needs any scheme you run adapted to fit him.
He can set screens for movement shooters and camp in the dunker spot but anything else you try to run is just going to result in the other team ignoring him and camping in the passing and driving lanes.

I'd love for Ant to take that SGA leap where you can let him run your team and not need to play a true PG next to him.
But I don't see that happening next year at least.

One interesting take away I had last year was NAW's ballhandling improvement and how he seemed to have better range of movement in his wrists and looked less stiff with the ball. Especially finishing around the basket.
I wonder if there was some exercise/physical training aspect to that improvements, because it is something that would help Ant with his handle and finishing.
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Re: Around the NBA (Part Three) 

Post#112 » by TimberKat » Wed Jul 9, 2025 10:25 pm

Looks like the Beal buyout situation is pushing other FA signings on hold. Suns roster look so bad, they have the second highest payroll but no one on it was all star in 2024-2025. Is that middle class getting paid? :lol: I also don't think buyout Beal is a good idea this year. Maybe should just trade Brooks and Allen is better option.
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Re: Around the NBA (Part Three) 

Post#113 » by Klomp » Thu Jul 10, 2025 12:42 am

Regarding SGA vs. Ant, it's also important to remember that there is a 3-year gap between the two of them.
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Re: Around the NBA (Part Three) 

Post#114 » by Shaka_Zulu » Thu Jul 10, 2025 2:01 am

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Speculation over for JMAC.
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Post#115 » by KGdaBom » Thu Jul 10, 2025 2:04 am

Shaka_Zulu wrote:
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Speculation over for JMAC.

Good for him as it extends his career and puts a few more million into the bank. Too bad he couldn't get a multi year deal.
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Post#116 » by Klomp » Thu Jul 10, 2025 2:07 am

Meh, that's fine....

I honestly think part of the "issue" we're seeing is that we have so much depth that guys feel like they can find better opportunities elsewhere. The only potential roles out there are PG and C, and even then we have our last two 1st round picks and two of our most trustworthy veterans at those positions. So I don't blame guys who would rather go elsewhere.
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Post#117 » by Neeva » Thu Jul 10, 2025 2:33 am

Klomp wrote:Meh, that's fine....

I honestly think part of the "issue" we're seeing is that we have so much depth that guys feel like they can find better opportunities elsewhere. The only potential roles out there are PG and C, and even then we have our last two 1st round picks and two of our most trustworthy veterans at those positions. So I don't blame guys who would rather go elsewhere.


Or players know Finch is a coach that does not utilize his entire bench (or give young players chances to develop ) and prefers to just play 8-9 at most. I can see why some second round picks and their agents did not want the wolves to select them at 31.
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Post#118 » by Klomp » Thu Jul 10, 2025 2:36 am

Neeva wrote:I can see why some second round picks and their agents did not want the wolves to select them at 31.

Because they don't care about winning?

As Flip used to say, we over me....
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Re: Around the NBA (Part Three) 

Post#119 » by Neeva » Thu Jul 10, 2025 2:47 am

There are coaches that know how to win and integrate most of their bench and even younger players like Carlisle.
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Re: Around the NBA (Part Three) 

Post#120 » by moss_is_1 » Thu Jul 10, 2025 2:50 am

Neeva wrote:There are coaches that know how to win and integrate most of their bench and even younger players like Carlisle.

Ok, Carlisle is a top 2 coach in the league.

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