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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread 

Post#1781 » by bucknersrevenge » Wed Jul 9, 2025 10:27 pm

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I actually don’t understand why it’s so hard to move Simons (and Niang for that matter).

If you have a solid defensive team, he’s a good vinnie the microwave type option off the bench. Instant offense on an expiring contract. I would think many playoff teams would be interested.


Simons literally has no market right now. He's in essence a rental and no one is trading anything of real worth for a guy who could possibly leave unless they know they want to pay him at least 25M+ into the future. Teams are still figuring out the landscape of the new CBA. Unless you're a max guy, few teams are interested in making big midrange income agreement right now. It's just how it is. And teams know Brad would like to get off this salary if he could. Don't think they'd use that against him? Unfortunately Simons' performance before this year or what he does this year will have little effect on his value.

As for your second point, having a nice VJ microwave scorer in what this year stands to be is utterly irrelevant. I mean couldn't matter less. We're not title contenders. What really matter is developing guys that you know for sure will be here next season and in a couple of cases, find out if some have longterm potential. Simons actually blocks that right now. So does Jaylen tbh. I get what Brad said about rebuilds and all and that's fine. You can still compete like hell and try to "win the next game" with the younger guys. Right now next season has no buzz, no pop. Anyone getting amped up to watch a #6 seed team?


I’m not saying we need a Vinnie type option. I’m saying good defensive teams can compensate for a guy like Simons and benefit from his instant offense.

Like us last year unfortunately. Last year we could really have used Simons. This year we need a center.

We don’t need compensation for Simons. We just need someone who can give us back less salary.


Your first point is well-taken. And I have thought this myself. Under certain conditions, he makes a ton of sense here and Simons is actually a really good player. We do need a center right now but unfortunately nobody is knocking down our door right now to give us one. Maybe after 9/7 when we can aggregate Simons' salary with other players, something will open up just before training camp. Was just saying that that would be a Brad-like thing to do. But since Brad told us that getting under the tax is not really a priority right now he's not gonna just dump Simons for a **** player just because his salary is lower. We can get under the tax in other ways.

I swear I'm not gonna hijack this thread I promise, but because of the math problem, the issue kinda comes down to Simons or JB. Both are excellent #2 scorers. I actually think Simons is better offensively while Jaylen is light years better on defense. But JB makes 50M and Simons makes close to 30. It's just too hard to field a team with your top 4 players making as much as ours do without running into a math problem. Let's be clear here: Jaylen's been here 10 years now. He's an institution here on and off the court. Brad's gonna choose him every time and understandably so. Our last POBO I suspect, would've gone in a different direction but I digress.

This is why we really HAVE to hit on at least a couple of these draft picks and hope they become rotation players.Baylor and Hugo and to a degree Minott, Garza, and Neemy have to become playable fits around this core. Or else we're gonna be boned pretty hard.
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread 

Post#1782 » by djFan71 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 10:29 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:People focus on the 5, but I think this team needs another starting caliber player added if they're ever going to really contend again. Tatum/Brown/White can be your starting:

1) PF/SF/SG
2) PF/SF/PG
3) PF/SG/PG
4) SF/SG/PG

Basically, the idea is that, in addition to the starting C we need, they also need to find a starting caliber player at one of the PG/SG/SF/PF spots. And considering none of those 3 guys are really natural facilitators/primary ball handlers, ideally it'd be someone with some playmaking/handling chops (as opposed to a lineup like we had with Udoka where it was a double big type lineup and Tatum/Brown and then White would now be starting where Smart was).

Pritchard is nice but I don't think at his size he's every going to be a legit starter. He'll always be better off as a 6th man. I think the same for Simons, though I guess there's more upside there. I don't see it though.

I guess Hauser or Niang COULD be the token starter at SF or PF but probably only in a scenario where the 6th man is actually better and you just want to balance lineups. Not REAL starter caliber obviously.

Scheierman/Hugo/Walsh and I guess Davison/Shulga/Minott if you want to throw them in there... all fine to develop but assuming any of them will be starters seems like a big stretch IMO. Unless, again, it's the "token" starter type like I mentioned for Hauser/Niang.

I obviously understand that a true 5 is the biggest need, but in the grand scheme of things towards actually having a team that can compete for a title, I think a starting caliber player at the other spots is a need too.

Definitely. 5 is the glaring one since we have Queta and no other true development option even. But, we need multiple players - we lost 4 of our top 9 (assuming no Horford). Which is why I think you use Simons' salary to help grab one this year, so you don't have to rely on doing multiple next summer. Get the 4 or 5 now since you know you need that. I don't think they have to be awesome, just rotation 6-10 guy. See how the young wings develop this year - bonus of more time without Simons. Then plug the next hole next summer with your picks/(TP)MLE/KP TPE/Hauser/etc as assets to use.
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread 

Post#1783 » by hugepatsfan » Wed Jul 9, 2025 10:33 pm

A lot of people seem big on making sure Hugo gets to play this year... I get it, since it looks like a bridge year, but it still seems kind of aggressive.

https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/nba/ranking-youngest-nba-players-bm07/

The youngest players from last year's draft. The lottery picks played, but none of the others did. Hugo is drafted earlier than the post lottery guys there, but closer to them than the lottery guys still.

I think we might be getting too aggressive thinking that he has to play a lot just because it's a bridge year. Even with that being the case, that's still an extremely aggressive projection for a 19 year old.

White (32) / Pritchard (16)
Simons (32) / Pritchard (16)
Brown (33) / Scheierman (15)
Hauser (24) / Niang (24)

If I had to guess, that's how they'll start the season at PG/SG/SF/PF. Inevitably guys will miss time at which case Walsh or Minott gets some run and everyone else picks up some slack too.

I get the appeal of the idea, but I think Hugo playing much as a rookie is unlikely and definitely unlikely until late in the year.
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread 

Post#1784 » by bucknersrevenge » Wed Jul 9, 2025 10:33 pm

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djFan71 wrote:Stretching's funny cuz I looked at that previously and it does enable us to get under the lux tax. But, even I'm not ready to call for that one yet, lol. :)

I don't think anyone considers us true contenders in 25-26. It's more about getting guys now if possible that can help in 26-27 when we will be. Trying to rebuild multiple rotation pieces next summer might be tough, so why not grab one now if you can?


I high-key hate the idea of Niang as a smallball 5, although if I ever saw Joe employ it, Brad could NEVER get on a podium again and say he's not into tanking.


I think the outcomes will take care of that option.

We'd lose like every rebound with Niang as our center.

I honestly don't dislike either Simons or Niang but they were needed last year not this year...


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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread 

Post#1785 » by redslastlaugh » Wed Jul 9, 2025 10:33 pm

Simons is pretty markedly overpaid. The market for Anfernee Simons type players has cratered. Beasley was playing last yr for $6 million. Gary Trent just signed 2 yrs for $7.5 million.

He's so overpaid, nobody wants to pay his next contract if his salary expectations are unrealistic (which they probably are if he thinks he's gettng another $100 million)

And I'm sure teams are trying to leverage Celts tax status to try to pry away draft capital for taking Simons. The counterparties think Celts are over a barrel with the luxury taxes and opposing GMs are sharks trying to feast on max value while we are vulnerable.

We'll see how the situation plays out, the market can improve or Celts can take back less money but more years like by receiving a Kuzma, Grant Williams, Terance Mann, Clarke & Konchar type of return. Or Celts can jut ride it out with Simons this season.

bucknersrevenge wrote:Simons literally has no market right now. He's in essence a rental and no one is trading anything of real worth for a guy who could possibly leave unless they know they want to pay him at least 25M+ into the future. Teams are still figuring out the landscape of the new CBA. Unless you're a max guy, few teams are interested in making big midrange income agreement right now. It's just how it is. And teams know Brad would like to get off this salary if he could. Don't think they'd use that against him? Unfortunately Simons' performance before this year or what he does this year will have little effect on his value.

As for your second point, having a nice VJ microwave scorer in what this year stands to be is utterly irrelevant. I mean couldn't matter less. We're not title contenders. What really matter is developing guys that you know for sure will be here next season and in a couple of cases, find out if some have longterm potential. Simons actually blocks that right now. So does Jaylen tbh. I get what Brad said about rebuilds and all and that's fine. You can still compete like hell and try to "win the next game" with the younger guys. Right now next season has no buzz, no pop. Anyone getting amped up to watch a #6 seed team?
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Post#1786 » by tfmiii » Wed Jul 9, 2025 10:34 pm

Fierce1 wrote:If Brad can get Claxton and Coby White for Simons, Hauser, and Tillman, we're set for next season.

Vuc or Claxton would be great.

Ugh, no thank you

This mania to secure a 'name' mediocre overpaid center is maddening.

This is THE PERFECT season to take flyers on low salary, younger players who could or could not pan out.

I keep hearing we're tanking in some way, shape, or form. If so, what is the attraction of a Vucevic or Claxton??

We need centers who can rebound rebound rebound, play some D, maybe be a vertical spacer. Why waste more precious cap dollars on a 'name player' when we have options on the roster?

If they can't cut it, better to find out this season.
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Post#1787 » by bucknersrevenge » Wed Jul 9, 2025 10:34 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:A lot of people seem big on making sure Hugo gets to play this year... I get it, since it looks like a bridge year, but it still seems kind of aggressive.

https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/nba/ranking-youngest-nba-players-bm07/

The youngest players from last year's draft. The lottery picks played, but none of the others did. Hugo is drafted earlier than the post lottery guys there, but closer to them than the lottery guys still.

I think we might be getting too aggressive thinking that he has to play a lot just because it's a bridge year. Even with that being the case, that's still an extremely aggressive projection for a 19 year old.

White (32) / Pritchard (16)
Simons (32) / Pritchard (16)
Brown (33) / Scheierman (15)
Hauser (24) / Niang (24)

If I had to guess, that's how they'll start the season at PG/SG/SF/PF. Inevitably guys will miss time at which case Walsh or Minott gets some run and everyone else picks up some slack too.

I get the appeal of the idea, but I think Hugo playing much as a rookie is unlikely and definitely unlikely until late in the year.


Where does Minott play? Not sure he signs a deal to come here and ride the pine for 2 years like he did in Minny.
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread 

Post#1788 » by GrandTheftRondo » Wed Jul 9, 2025 10:35 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:People focus on the 5, but I think this team needs another starting caliber player added on top of that if they're ever going to really contend again. Tatum/Brown/White can be your starting:

1) PF/SF/SG
2) PF/SF/PG
3) PF/SG/PG
4) SF/SG/PG

Basically, the idea is that, in addition to the starting C we need, they also need to find a starting caliber player at one of the PG/SG/SF/PF spots. And considering none of those 3 guys are really natural facilitators/primary ball handlers, ideally it'd be someone with some playmaking/handling chops (as opposed to a lineup like we had with Udoka where it was a double big type lineup and Tatum/Brown and then White would now be starting where Smart was).

Pritchard is nice but I don't think at his size he's every going to be a legit starter. He'll always be better off as a 6th man. I think the same for Simons, though I guess there's more upside there. I don't see it though.

I guess Hauser or Niang COULD be the token starter at SF or PF but probably only in a scenario where the 6th man is actually better and you just want to balance lineups. Not REAL starter caliber obviously.

Scheierman/Hugo/Walsh and I guess Davison/Shulga/Minott if you want to throw them in there... all fine to develop but assuming any of them will be starters seems like a big stretch IMO. Unless, again, it's the "token" starter type like I mentioned for Hauser/Niang.

I obviously understand that a true 5 is the biggest need, but in the grand scheme of things towards actually having a team that can compete for a title, I think a starting caliber player at the other spots is a need too.

Exactly.

I have zero idea why people keep trying to downplay the loss of Holiday, Porzingis and most likely Horford.

The Knicks loss was literally on the back of Holiday and Porzingis being vastly worse offensively than the previous season.

Some fans saying well Porzingis never played anyway. Well he did the previous year and we won a heap of games and it kept Al fresh for the playoffs when Porzingis got hurt.

They lost to a mediocre Miami team in 2023 and a Warriors team I wouldn’t even say was that good in 2022 because both teams were able to affect Tatum and Brown and nobody else really stepped up enough.

Horford is a gigantic loss both in terms of leadership and his great versatility.

You don’t just easily replace that sort of talent.

Feel like people are being crazy disrespectful with some of their claims, especially about Holiday and Horford who were both so great for us. Porzingis I get the annoyance but at the end of the day he was still talented as hell.
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread 

Post#1789 » by klemen44 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 10:37 pm

Prichard imo is and should be the starter. Plus you can not ignore his contract is amazing compared to his play.

We will be fine... We have a lot of chips for C trade:

- simmons expiring
- porzingis tpe
- all our picks

If JT is back, trade will be made at trade deadline for starting caliber C... If tatum is not back next summer trade gor C.

Prichar/veteran pg
White/Scheirman
Brown/Hauser
Tatum/Niang
C/Queta

Thats a championship team!!!
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Post#1790 » by bucknersrevenge » Wed Jul 9, 2025 10:38 pm

redslastlaugh wrote:Simons is pretty markedly overpaid. The market for Anfernee Simons type players has cratered. Beasley was playing last yr for $6 million. Gary Trent just signed 2 yrs for $7.5 million.

He's so overpaid, nobody wants to pay his next contract if his salary expectations are unrealistic (which they probably are if he thinks he's gettng another $100 million)

And I'm sure teams are trying to leverage Celts tax status to try to pry away draft capital for taking Simons. The counterparties think Celts are over a barrel with the luxury taxes and opposing GMs are sharks trying to feast on max value while we are vulnerable.

We'll see how the situation plays out, the market can improve or Celts can take back less money but more years like by receiving a Kuzma, Grant Williams, Terance Mann, Clarke & Konchar type of return. Or Celts can jut ride it out with Simons this season.

bucknersrevenge wrote:Simons literally has no market right now. He's in essence a rental and no one is trading anything of real worth for a guy who could possibly leave unless they know they want to pay him at least 25M+ into the future. Teams are still figuring out the landscape of the new CBA. Unless you're a max guy, few teams are interested in making big midrange income agreement right now. It's just how it is. And teams know Brad would like to get off this salary if he could. Don't think they'd use that against him? Unfortunately Simons' performance before this year or what he does this year will have little effect on his value.

As for your second point, having a nice VJ microwave scorer in what this year stands to be is utterly irrelevant. I mean couldn't matter less. We're not title contenders. What really matter is developing guys that you know for sure will be here next season and in a couple of cases, find out if some have longterm potential. Simons actually blocks that right now. So does Jaylen tbh. I get what Brad said about rebuilds and all and that's fine. You can still compete like hell and try to "win the next game" with the younger guys. Right now next season has no buzz, no pop. Anyone getting amped up to watch a #6 seed team?


Well I will say that one of the goals of this new CBA for owners was to thoroughly destroy the middle class so your first point tracks. I know he will probably want to use his Bird Rights to get the biggest deal possible wherever he finishes next year. In a way, he needs us more than we need him this year.
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread 

Post#1791 » by djFan71 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 10:39 pm

bucknersrevenge wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:A lot of people seem big on making sure Hugo gets to play this year... I get it, since it looks like a bridge year, but it still seems kind of aggressive.

https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/nba/ranking-youngest-nba-players-bm07/

The youngest players from last year's draft. The lottery picks played, but none of the others did. Hugo is drafted earlier than the post lottery guys there, but closer to them than the lottery guys still.

I think we might be getting too aggressive thinking that he has to play a lot just because it's a bridge year. Even with that being the case, that's still an extremely aggressive projection for a 19 year old.

White (32) / Pritchard (16)
Simons (32) / Pritchard (16)
Brown (33) / Scheierman (15)
Hauser (24) / Niang (24)

If I had to guess, that's how they'll start the season at PG/SG/SF/PF. Inevitably guys will miss time at which case Walsh or Minott gets some run and everyone else picks up some slack too.

I get the appeal of the idea, but I think Hugo playing much as a rookie is unlikely and definitely unlikely until late in the year.


Where does Minott play? Not sure he signs a deal to come here and ride the pine for 2 years like he did in Minny.

Doesn't have to be Hugo, would be great if he earns it though. Baylor is the main one to me. His minutes have to be up in Hauser or greater territory, if Simons isn't around. Get the dude 25-30mpg this year - why not? Then whoever out of Hugo, Minott, Walsh emerges for the rest of the time, great. If none really emerge, oh well.
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Post#1792 » by redslastlaugh » Wed Jul 9, 2025 10:40 pm

Vuc is pretty badly in decline, Id pass
Claxton has had some good moments in his career but he was awful last year and he's a Hack-a-Center (51.3% FT last yr) who can't play in the last five minutes of a playoff game. I remember Nic Claxton missing 10 or 11 straight FTs when we played Brooklyn in the playoffs in the Ime Udoka year. Plus Claxton is like 30 lbs too light to be a full time playoff center.

I'm passin on those two centers.

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Fierce1 wrote:If Brad can get Claxton and Coby White for Simons, Hauser, and Tillman, we're set for next season.

Vuc or Claxton would be great.

Ugh, no thank you

This mania to secure a 'name' mediocre overpaid center is maddening.

This is THE PERFECT season to take flyers on low salary, younger players who could or could not pan out.

I keep hearing we're tanking in some way, shape, or form. If so, what is the attraction of a Vucevic or Claxton??

We need centers who can rebound rebound rebound, play some D, maybe be a vertical spacer. Why waste more precious cap dollars on a 'name player' when we have options on the roster?

If they can't cut it, better to find out this season.
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Post#1793 » by Fierce1 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 10:47 pm

Vuc is an expiring contract and around 6m cheaper than Simons.

So if the Cs are not winning a chip in 2026 then why does it matter if Vuc is on the decline?
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Post#1794 » by bucknersrevenge » Wed Jul 9, 2025 10:47 pm

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Shak_Celts wrote:If the Celtics are bad, they are bad, but I have been seeing some of the same people say that most of the time I have been a fan. Every season, maybe even when we got Jrue and KP, the same people tell us how many teams are better than us during the off-season. Any time any other team makes a move, we get post after the post saying how much better they are than we are.

Even with how badly we played, we went farther than most of the teams that a lot of you claimed to be better than us in the offseason. This has been happening for seasons upon seasons. “These teams have gotten so much better than us!!” It’s a theme every offseason.

Let it play out. You don’t have to convince us that we’re going to be bad, if that’s what you want, then why do you have to convince us? You already won!

No, the reason you’re trying to convince us (yourselves) is because you don’t believe we’ll actually be as bad as you say! You want us to be bad, you’re preaching that we’ll be bad, what’s the problem?? Confusing!

Bringing up the 6ers and Mavs after they jumped the teams with the worst records, means little to me.

The Celtics at best will be a treadmill type playoff team this season.

I don’t know why anyone would want that.

I’d much rather shut down guys in Feb and lose a heap of games and try for some lottery lucky then win 45-50 games and get clowned in the playoffs.

Brad talks about rebuilding etc not being a thing in Boston but the reality is it was lottery luck via Brooklyn that got them to a title.

Without that, the Celtics would have been like every other team hoping the balls fell their way while stinking for a few years.

There is zero to be gained from a first or second round exit outside of lining ownerships pockets with extra revenue.



Careful, You cuttin deep homie. Not everybody ready to have that discussion. I'm not even saying try to get the top 4 worst record or anything. I mean, if playing the kids and competing with them end us somewhere in the neighborhood of the 10th best odds, I mean, I'm good with that. How about you?
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Post#1795 » by bucknersrevenge » Wed Jul 9, 2025 10:48 pm

Fierce1 wrote:Vuc is an expiring contract and around 6m cheaper than Simons.

So if the Cs are not winning a chip in 2026 then why does it matter if Vuc is on the decline?


Not to answer your question with a question but:

If we agree that the C's aren't winning, what's the point of trading for him in the first place?
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread 

Post#1796 » by Darthlukey » Wed Jul 9, 2025 10:51 pm

I might be super late to the party here, but we lost the 2 2nds in the Jrue trade:

https://www.espn.com.au/nba/story/_/id/45690072/blazers-celtics-trade-altered-swap-holiday-simons
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Post#1797 » by bucknersrevenge » Wed Jul 9, 2025 10:52 pm

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hugepatsfan wrote:A lot of people seem big on making sure Hugo gets to play this year... I get it, since it looks like a bridge year, but it still seems kind of aggressive.

https://sports.betmgm.com/en/blog/nba/ranking-youngest-nba-players-bm07/

The youngest players from last year's draft. The lottery picks played, but none of the others did. Hugo is drafted earlier than the post lottery guys there, but closer to them than the lottery guys still.

I think we might be getting too aggressive thinking that he has to play a lot just because it's a bridge year. Even with that being the case, that's still an extremely aggressive projection for a 19 year old.

White (32) / Pritchard (16)
Simons (32) / Pritchard (16)
Brown (33) / Scheierman (15)
Hauser (24) / Niang (24)

If I had to guess, that's how they'll start the season at PG/SG/SF/PF. Inevitably guys will miss time at which case Walsh or Minott gets some run and everyone else picks up some slack too.

I get the appeal of the idea, but I think Hugo playing much as a rookie is unlikely and definitely unlikely until late in the year.


Where does Minott play? Not sure he signs a deal to come here and ride the pine for 2 years like he did in Minny.

Doesn't have to be Hugo, would be great if he earns it though. Baylor is the main one to me. His minutes have to be up in Hauser or greater territory, if Simons isn't around. Get the dude 25-30mpg this year - why not? Then whoever out of Hugo, Minott, Walsh emerges for the rest of the time, great. If none really emerge, oh well.


Unfortunately, Hauser is problematic, if not right now, eventually he will be for this reason. Good player but what he does right now I think can be replaced by others. He's on a good deal I mean, after 9/7 what can a Simons/Hauser package get us? That's where my mind's going to.
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Post#1798 » by redslastlaugh » Wed Jul 9, 2025 10:55 pm

If you want to do Simons for Vooch swap with no picks going out, sure, for the savings

But I think the best outcome would be: showcase our 4 centers, improve their value this yr, and make decisions for the long term after the 2025-26 season when we better know what we have. To acquire a veteran center right now, if he doesn't factor into the 2027-2030 playoff window is just counterproductive because you're taking developmental minutes away from younger bigs.

Fierce1 wrote:Vuc is an expiring contract and around 6m cheaper than Simons.

So if the Cs are not winning a chip in 2026 then why does it matter if Vuc is on the decline?
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread 

Post#1799 » by djFan71 » Wed Jul 9, 2025 11:01 pm

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Where does Minott play? Not sure he signs a deal to come here and ride the pine for 2 years like he did in Minny.

Doesn't have to be Hugo, would be great if he earns it though. Baylor is the main one to me. His minutes have to be up in Hauser or greater territory, if Simons isn't around. Get the dude 25-30mpg this year - why not? Then whoever out of Hugo, Minott, Walsh emerges for the rest of the time, great. If none really emerge, oh well.


Unfortunately, Hauser is problematic, if not right now, eventually he will be for this reason. Good player but what he does right now I think can be replaced by others. He's on a good deal I mean, after 9/7 what can a Simons/Hauser package get us? That's where my mind's going to.

I waffle on Sam. When he was hurt last year he was pretty rough. But, healthy, as your 8+ man, on that deal, he's solid.

I actually think you can't aggregate on top of Simons, tbh. I know we can technically if we stay under the apron, but with Jays and White, I just don't think you can fit another $30M+ guy on the roster going forward. I think you're going to need to get a couple rotation guys out of that money, not stack more on top of it for one really good guy.
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread 

Post#1800 » by hugepatsfan » Wed Jul 9, 2025 11:03 pm

Fierce1 wrote:Vuc is an expiring contract and around 6m cheaper than Simons.

So if the Cs are not winning a chip in 2026 then why does it matter if Vuc is on the decline?


I think Simons is better to keep right now just because there's some semblance of long term value. If he plays well, maybe he'll be worth signing? Maybe it's worth signing him just to trade him later. Maybe you sign him and that frees you up to trade Pritchard at high value in a trade for a big. Maybe you can S&T him to create a TPE or land a player you like next year. Even in a world where Simons isn't himself a long term keeper, there's still a lot of scenarios where he's useful. Vuc - not so much.

Now if we get to the deadline and the team looks really good but Simons isn't a big piece of that and we really need roster balance, ok. But right now I don't see us competing in a meaningful way to where I'm trading long term value or even potential of it for a stop gap solution.

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