Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[vvoland]

Because they want value for him otherwise ownership would be admitting they tricked off the end of currys career for nothing.

Having no market in RFA doesn't mean he's worthless or can't contribute here. If his value is so low that the best offer is devin carter and saric, it's a no brainer to keep him, if you can get him on a decent deal.

Hollinger was speculating on a podcast (could have been someone else) that the kings offer was just the opening salvo and he expect them to up it to something like ellis, carter, and a first.

His logic being, with derozan, lavine, schroeder, and monk, ellis and carter don't have a role.

Ellis + Carter + 1st if MDJ pulled that off exec of the year!

I'm excited to see Devin Carter in the summer league starting at pg.

You and Evan are both high on him so consider my interest piqued. He IS older than JK, smaller, and a worse shooter but I'll admit I saw 0 providence games and he was hurt his rookie season. That said, combine measurements are impressive (wingspan, vert, etc.), and, apparently, all the intangibles are there.

If he can actually shoot the ball better than he showed last season and there's really no pathway to minutes for him in Sac, let's grab him for a matching contract (TJD + Gui?) and a top 10 protected pick swap in 2030 (so we would swap if it was 10-20) or 2 seconds?

[AirP.]

Having no market in RFA doesn't mean he's worthless or can't contribute here. If his value is so low that the best offer is devin carter and saric, it's a no brainer to keep him, if you can get him on a decent deal.

Hollinger was speculating on a podcast (could have been someone else) that the kings offer was just the opening salvo and he expect them to up it to something like ellis, carter, and a first.

His logic being, with derozan, lavine, schroeder, and monk, ellis and carter don't have a role.

Ellis + Carter + 1st if MDJ pulled that off exec of the year!

I'm excited to see Devin Carter in the summer league starting at pg.

You and Evan are both high on him so consider my interest piqued. He IS older than JK, smaller, and a worse shooter but I'll admit I saw 0 providence games and he was hurt his rookie season. That said, combine measurements are impressive (wingspan, vert, etc.), and, apparently, all the intangibles are there.

If he can actually shoot the ball better than he showed last season and there's really no pathway to minutes for him in Sac, let's grab him for a matching contract (TJD + Gui?) and a top 10 protected pick swap in 2030 (so we would swap if it was 10-20) or 2 seconds?

Most of the Miami board wanted him at 15 last year. He's not going to be a star but he could be a good two way player. For 6 months after being drafted he was rehabbing from his shoulder surgery meaning he couldn't do much of anything other than lower body work.

Projection
Given his shooting numbers, explosiveness on defense and ability to spark the team out of nowhere, he has drawn comparisons to Derrick White. It wouldn’t be surprising if his career follows a similar trajectory, starting as a defensive-minded guard and working his way to becoming an elite two-way player who can start for almost any team in the league. Carter has the advantage of his size, allowing him to play as a combo guard efficiently in both roles.

https://www.nba.com/draft/2024/prospects/devin-carter

Devin Carter, Sacramento Kings: A
The Big East Player of the Year will be a winning player who has a 10-15 year career in the league. I had him in my top 10. The Kings got him at 13, making a 6-3 junkyard dog guard a great addition because he will embrace and know his role alongside De'Aaron Fox and Malik Monk. Carter is a pest defensively, has evolved his perimeter game and can score at the rim quite well. His motor? Limitless.

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nba/2024-nba-draft-grades-lakers-celtics-timberwolves-among-round-1-winners

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[EvanZ]

Having no market in RFA doesn't mean he's worthless or can't contribute here. If his value is so low that the best offer is devin carter and saric, it's a no brainer to keep him, if you can get him on a decent deal.

Hollinger was speculating on a podcast (could have been someone else) that the kings offer was just the opening salvo and he expect them to up it to something like ellis, carter, and a first.

His logic being, with derozan, lavine, schroeder, and monk, ellis and carter don't have a role.

Ellis + Carter + 1st if MDJ pulled that off exec of the year!

I'm excited to see Devin Carter in the summer league starting at pg.

You and Evan are both high on him so consider my interest piqued. He IS older than JK, smaller, and a worse shooter but I'll admit I saw 0 providence games and he was hurt his rookie season. That said, combine measurements are impressive (wingspan, vert, etc.), and, apparently, all the intangibles are there.

If he can actually shoot the ball better than he showed last season and there's really no pathway to minutes for him in Sac, let's grab him for a matching contract (TJD + Gui?) and a top 10 protected pick swap in 2030 (so we would swap if it was 10-20) or 2 seconds?

I’m not that high on DC. But give me Keon and we’re cooking with grease. I don’t expect they’d give a first but a Sacramento second round pick is basically a late first and I’d take that for sure.

[CS707]

If JK doesn’t fit anywhere and has no market then why don’t the Warriors just pull back the QO?

Because they want value for him otherwise ownership would be admitting they tricked off the end of currys career for nothing.

Having no market in RFA doesn't mean he's worthless or can't contribute here. If his value is so low that the best offer is devin carter and saric, it's a no brainer to keep him, if you can get him on a decent deal.

It’s more just indicative of what the league thinks of his realistic ceiling. I do think he has value here if he would commit to the role but the lack of progress on a deal tells me the two camps are still too far apart on that. I imagine both sides eventually settle on something but more because it’s the prudent move than a genuine desire to continue the relationship.

[vvoland]

Because they want value for him otherwise ownership would be admitting they tricked off the end of currys career for nothing.

Having no market in RFA doesn't mean he's worthless or can't contribute here. If his value is so low that the best offer is devin carter and saric, it's a no brainer to keep him, if you can get him on a decent deal.

It’s more just indicative of what the league thinks of his realistic ceiling. I do think he has value here if he would commit to the role but the lack of progress on a deal tells me the two camps are still too far apart on that. I imagine both sides eventually settle on something but more because it’s the prudent move than a genuine desire to continue the relationship.

Having no knowledge of the situation, just based on the actions of the agency/team, I think the problem is with them. Turning down 5/150 was an obvious mistake, sure. A good agent, however, gets their client out of one situation and to a better one, like with Whitmore.

I think jk needs much better people around him.

[michaelm]

Having no market in RFA doesn't mean he's worthless or can't contribute here. If his value is so low that the best offer is devin carter and saric, it's a no brainer to keep him, if you can get him on a decent deal.

It’s more just indicative of what the league thinks of his realistic ceiling. I do think he has value here if he would commit to the role but the lack of progress on a deal tells me the two camps are still too far apart on that. I imagine both sides eventually settle on something but more because it’s the prudent move than a genuine desire to continue the relationship.

Having no knowledge of the situation, just based on the actions of the agency/team, I think the problem is with them. Turning down 5/150 was an obvious mistake, sure. A good agent, however, gets their client out of one situation and to a better one, like with Whitmore.

I think jk needs much better people around him.

Perhaps he wants as much money as possible for some post career project in his homeland, but not accepting what was already generational wealth was ill advised imo as well as yours. That money may not be on offer again, look at Nehrlens Noel. This is even apart from the possibility of an injury without having major money locked in, which can occur at any time for a basketball player including during training.

That said it is also no good for GSW, if he is never going to be happy at GSW trading him when his value was higher was the way to go.

[statsman]

I wonder what will come first: a resolution to the Kuminga free agency, or this thread reaching 100 pages (2,000 posts).

[CS707]

Having no market in RFA doesn't mean he's worthless or can't contribute here. If his value is so low that the best offer is devin carter and saric, it's a no brainer to keep him, if you can get him on a decent deal.

It’s more just indicative of what the league thinks of his realistic ceiling. I do think he has value here if he would commit to the role but the lack of progress on a deal tells me the two camps are still too far apart on that. I imagine both sides eventually settle on something but more because it’s the prudent move than a genuine desire to continue the relationship.

Having no knowledge of the situation, just based on the actions of the agency/team, I think the problem is with them. Turning down 5/150 was an obvious mistake, sure. A good agent, however, gets their client out of one situation and to a better one, like with Whitmore.

I think jk needs much better people around him.

Agreed although at this point his primary objective could be to get somewhere else. If it were simply bad advice from the agent, I expect he’d have changed representation by now. Who knows though. It’s all just speculation until something happens.

[whatisacenter]

You got me there! lol Of course that just means he doesn’t have a market.

If JK doesn’t fit anywhere and has no market then why don’t the Warriors just pull back the QO?

Because they want value for him otherwise ownership would be admitting they tricked off the end of currys career for nothing.

But if he has no market and doesn’t fit anywhere, as you guys are suggesting, it doesn’t matter if they admit it or not.

And give me a break with the “tricking off the end of Curry’s career”.

[thunderdunk]

That said it is also no good for GSW, if he is never going to be happy at GSW trading him when his value was higher was the way to go.

OK, I'll bite. When was his value higher? If we've learned anything so far, he has pretty close to no interest coming from other teams at the moment. Was his value higher a year ago, when he got less PT and had worse numbers? People keep talking about this 5/150 rumor. Was that real? If so, why? I agree - he would have been easier to trade when they weren't locked into the current situation, but I have no idea what value other GM's have been assigning to him all along. They watch the same games we do. If there ever was a great deal out there, my guess is MDJ would have pulled the trigger on it last year.

[michaelm]

That said it is also no good for GSW, if he is never going to be happy at GSW trading him when his value was higher was the way to go.

OK, I'll bite. When was his value higher? If we've learned anything so far, he has pretty close to no interest coming from other teams at the moment. Was his value higher a year ago, when he got less PT and had worse numbers? People keep talking about this 5/150 rumor. Was that real? If so, why? I agree - he would have been easier to trade when they weren't locked into the current situation, but I have no idea what value other GM's have been assigning to him all along. They watch the same games we do. If there ever was a great deal out there, my guess is MDJ would have pulled the trigger on it last year.

Sure, maybe no one ever wanted him, in which case the tetrodpectosvope says they shouldn’t have drafted him as a player not likely to suit the team and traded the pick for a win now player. That was before MDJ’s time though.

[EvanZ]

The Warriors just made a trade!


jk

[michaelm]

That said it is also no good for GSW, if he is never going to be happy at GSW trading him when his value was higher was the way to go.

OK, I'll bite. When was his value higher? If we've learned anything so far, he has pretty close to no interest coming from other teams at the moment. Was his value higher a year ago, when he got less PT and had worse numbers? People keep talking about this 5/150 rumor. Was that real? If so, why? I agree - he would have been easier to trade when they weren't locked into the current situation, but I have no idea what value other GM's have been assigning to him all along. They watch the same games we do. If there ever was a great deal out there, my guess is MDJ would have pulled the trigger on it last year.

Sure, maybe no one ever wanted him, in which case the retrospectoscope says they shouldn’t have drafted him as a player not likely to suit the team and should have traded the pick for a win now player. That was before MDJ’s time though, and I agree he has mostly done well if that was your point, unless they are revealed to have no further plan as far as centers are concerned for next season.

[Crazy-Canuck]

Having no market in RFA doesn't mean he's worthless or can't contribute here. If his value is so low that the best offer is devin carter and saric, it's a no brainer to keep him, if you can get him on a decent deal.

It’s more just indicative of what the league thinks of his realistic ceiling. I do think he has value here if he would commit to the role but the lack of progress on a deal tells me the two camps are still too far apart on that. I imagine both sides eventually settle on something but more because it’s the prudent move than a genuine desire to continue the relationship.

Having no knowledge of the situation, just based on the actions of the agency/team, I think the problem is with them. Turning down 5/150 was an obvious mistake, sure. A good agent, however, gets their client out of one situation and to a better one, like with Whitmore.

I think jk needs much better people around him.

Whitmore was supposed to be headed to the suns. But the suns didn't want him and preferred the 2nd rounders.

Similar players. But now imagine cam on a qo and expecting 30M per year. That's why kuminga isn't garnering any interest.

[Crazy-Canuck]

That said it is also no good for GSW, if he is never going to be happy at GSW trading him when his value was higher was the way to go.

OK, I'll bite. When was his value higher? If we've learned anything so far, he has pretty close to no interest coming from other teams at the moment. Was his value higher a year ago, when he got less PT and had worse numbers? People keep talking about this 5/150 rumor. Was that real? If so, why? I agree - he would have been easier to trade when they weren't locked into the current situation, but I have no idea what value other GM's have been assigning to him all along. They watch the same games we do. If there ever was a great deal out there, my guess is MDJ would have pulled the trigger on it last year.

His value was at its highest when he was on a rookie deal (1 or 2 years ago) and the team can take him on a test run. Siakam, og, Lauri, pg, Caruso,etc... kuminga had some serious value.

Right now, it's arguably as low it can get.

Weirdly enough, kumingas cousin also got traded before his rookie extension.

[Mambomuziki]

S&t JK to The Kings for $24.75m.
Kings send Derozan to Memphis. Creates space for them to sign JK at same $ as Derozan. Kings also sends Ellis and Carter to GSW.
Memphis send Cole Anthony to Kings and Konchar to GSW.
Also do a 3 way pick swap between the three teams with Memphis getting the best of the three followed by GS and Kings least favourable.


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[Onus]

If JK doesn’t fit anywhere and has no market then why don’t the Warriors just pull back the QO?

Because they want value for him otherwise ownership would be admitting they tricked off the end of currys career for nothing.

But if he has no market and doesn’t fit anywhere, as you guys are suggesting, it doesn’t matter if they admit it or not.

And give me a break with the “tricking off the end of Curry’s career”.

If they let JK walk they end up with GP2 and Moses Moody for 3 lottery picks. Meanwhile they could've traded Wiseman for Ant, JK for OG, Siakam, Lauri, Cam, Caruso. Or they could've drafted Franz, Trey Murphy, Sengun. You think if they let JK walk for nothing and you wouldn't consider those 3 lottery picks as a failure? Not even to mention that in drafting these raw athletes they lost games in seasons where they were trying to win in trying to develop them. Yea that's tricking off the end of Curry's career.

[Onus]

Having no market in RFA doesn't mean he's worthless or can't contribute here. If his value is so low that the best offer is devin carter and saric, it's a no brainer to keep him, if you can get him on a decent deal.

Hollinger was speculating on a podcast (could have been someone else) that the kings offer was just the opening salvo and he expect them to up it to something like ellis, carter, and a first.

His logic being, with derozan, lavine, schroeder, and monk, ellis and carter don't have a role.

Ellis + Carter + 1st if MDJ pulled that off exec of the year!

I'm excited to see Devin Carter in the summer league starting at pg.

You and Evan are both high on him so consider my interest piqued. He IS older than JK, smaller, and a worse shooter but I'll admit I saw 0 providence games and he was hurt his rookie season. That said, combine measurements are impressive (wingspan, vert, etc.), and, apparently, all the intangibles are there.

If he can actually shoot the ball better than he showed last season and there's really no pathway to minutes for him in Sac, let's grab him for a matching contract (TJD + Gui?) and a top 10 protected pick swap in 2030 (so we would swap if it was 10-20) or 2 seconds?

I don't think he has star potential or anything. I think he has 2 way potential as a role player. A good to elite defender who can give you something on offense when left alone, while doing some intangible things like giving full effort, rebounding, making some reads, and covering a lot of ground on defense while knowing where to be. He should be a winning type player. I don't think Derrick White because White has turned himself into a crazy volume shooter, but maybe like a celtics Jrue Holiday.

[EvanZ]

Because they want value for him otherwise ownership would be admitting they tricked off the end of currys career for nothing.

But if he has no market and doesn’t fit anywhere, as you guys are suggesting, it doesn’t matter if they admit it or not.

And give me a break with the “tricking off the end of Curry’s career”.

If they let JK walk they end up with GP2 and Moses Moody for 3 lottery picks. Meanwhile they could've traded Wiseman for Ant, JK for OG, Siakam, Lauri, Cam, Caruso. Or they could've drafted Franz, Trey Murphy, Sengun. You think if they let JK walk for nothing and you wouldn't consider those 3 lottery picks as a failure? Not even to mention that in drafting these raw athletes they lost games in seasons where they were trying to win in trying to develop them. Yea that's tricking off the end of Curry's career.

Moody is not a failure as a 14th pick. He's about average ROI for that draft slot with potential for more. Wiseman is a flat out bust. The jury is still out on Kuminga but if the "true" market for him is $20M/yr that's hardly a "failure" of drafting.

[Onus]

But if he has no market and doesn’t fit anywhere, as you guys are suggesting, it doesn’t matter if they admit it or not.

And give me a break with the “tricking off the end of Curry’s career”.

If they let JK walk they end up with GP2 and Moses Moody for 3 lottery picks. Meanwhile they could've traded Wiseman for Ant, JK for OG, Siakam, Lauri, Cam, Caruso. Or they could've drafted Franz, Trey Murphy, Sengun. You think if they let JK walk for nothing and you wouldn't consider those 3 lottery picks as a failure? Not even to mention that in drafting these raw athletes they lost games in seasons where they were trying to win in trying to develop them. Yea that's tricking off the end of Curry's career.

Moody is not a failure as a 14th pick. He's about average ROI for that draft slot with potential for more. Wiseman is a flat out bust. The jury is still out on Kuminga but if the "true" market for him is $20M/yr that's hardly a "failure" of drafting.

If we rescind the qo to jk that would be the failure.