Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread

[Fierce1]

Booker gets 72.5m per year.

and how many championships has he won? I forget.

[Shak_Celts]

Boy, I had to ask Siri how much it was (per year) because I thought my math wasn’t mathing! 70 what siri??? IKYFL!!

[return2glory]

Again, 2017-18 started with Hayward breaking his foot on opening night and Kyrie declared out for the entire playoffs in April.

That Celtics team, with rookie JT and 2nd year player JB, reached the ECF.

This season may seem to be a bridge year for some, but we won't really know until the Cs play 50 games.

Even that 2022 Cs team that made it to the Finals was just 25-25 after 50 games.

But they went on that amazing run and finished with 51 wins.

They had one of the most underrated coaches in NBA history, who also was one of the most underrated coaches in NCAA college basketball history.

[Fierce1]

Again, 2017-18 started with Hayward breaking his foot on opening night and Kyrie declared out for the entire playoffs in April.

That Celtics team, with rookie JT and 2nd year player JB, reached the ECF.

This season may seem to be a bridge year for some, but we won't really know until the Cs play 50 games.

Even that 2022 Cs team that made it to the Finals was just 25-25 after 50 games.

But they went on that amazing run and finished with 51 wins.

They had one of the most underrated coaches in NBA history, who also was one of the most underrated coaches in NCAA college basketball history.

The Celtic coach now is a disciple of that underrated coach.

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Worth noting:



Also, while Simons is just barely ahead of Tatum in this, Tatum also had higher usage so it's even more impressive that Simons had higher assist % than Tatum, on lower usage (31.2 usage % for Tatum, 28.0 usage % for Simons)

In these clips, I like his ability to survey the floor, make good reads with the ball, create for others and the ability to collapse a defense and find the open man.

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[bucknersrevenge]

I was thinking. Given that we are likely Simons best chance to both win after next season AND get paid at the same time, maybe Brad negotiate him down from a 27.7M AAV down closer to 20M if he adds more years. Simons definitely does want to win and be in the playoffs Sell him on 3/60M and we might be cooking.

I read somewhere that Portland made Simons available because he wanted to get paid and the Blazers weren't ready to open their wallet for him. I can't imagine him willing to offer a discount to Boston, one of the reasons why he might never play a minute in green.

That's fair, and he may not. But he's also said that he really wants to win and play in big games on primetime tv and be seen. If he wants to BOTH get paid AND win, we're going to be one of few options he'll have. And we'll have homecourt advantage in any negotiations if he stays all year. He'll have to consider all of this. He's an East Coast guy, having grown up in Florida. I'm sure he'll like being back on the East Coast and just a little closer to home on occasion. He'll want to factor all of that in. If it comes to re-signing Simons, I'm sure Brad will be fair in negotiations. Of that I have no doubt.

[tfmiii]

Worth noting:



Also, while Simons is just barely ahead of Tatum in this, Tatum also had higher usage so it's even more impressive that Simons had higher assist % than Tatum, on lower usage (31.2 usage % for Tatum, 28.0 usage % for Simons)

In these clips, I like his ability to survey the floor, make good reads with the ball, create for others and the ability to collapse a defense and find the open man.

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I'll take that dribble penetration over dribble-dribble-dribble fall-away 3 any day

[Fierce1]

Worth noting:



Also, while Simons is just barely ahead of Tatum in this, Tatum also had higher usage so it's even more impressive that Simons had higher assist % than Tatum, on lower usage (31.2 usage % for Tatum, 28.0 usage % for Simons)

In these clips, I like his ability to survey the floor, make good reads with the ball, create for others and the ability to collapse a defense and find the open man.

Read on Twitter

I'll take that dribble penetration over dribble-dribble-dribble fall-away 3 any day

Or dribble-dribble-dribble then ball hits foot and goes out of bounds.

[jfs1000d]

Booker gets 72.5m per year.

That is insane. I wouldn't pay Tatum that.


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[bucknersrevenge]

I waffle on Sam. When he was hurt last year he was pretty rough. But, healthy, as your 8+ man, on that deal, he's solid.

I actually think you can't aggregate on top of Simons, tbh. I know we can technically if we stay under the apron, but with Jays and White, I just don't think you can fit another $30M+ guy on the roster going forward. I think you're going to need to get a couple rotation guys out of that money, not stack more on top of it for one really good guy.

I think you can fit another $30M guy on the roster. I think our current roster proves that. We're currently in position to be under the 2nd apron if we carried 14 guys instead of 15 and of our current 15 one is Tatum so we're kind of already doing the 14 man roster thing really. Simons at $27M basically is that $30M player.

Tatum - supermax
Brown - supermax
White - current extension
Simons - right about $30M
Hauser - $12M/year deal
Pritchard - $8M/year deal
Niang - $8M vet signing

Rest is rookie contracts and minimum signings.

I think our payroll structure is set up PERFECTLY for another $30M player to be an in-the-tax but below the 2nd apron team. That's where my expectation are for us to be during the rest of Tatum's prime, and be willing to go into the 2nd apron for a year or 2.

The issue right now is roster fit. Simons, as a scoring guard, simply isn't the right $30Mish player to have. Not when you have Pritchard as a similar archetype and then even some overlap with Hauser and your best rookie contract guys. I think our payroll structure is great right now, just need to swap some of them for similarly priced guys at different positions.

Ya, this is basically how I feel as well. If the budget is "right up to second apron" then all the Celtics really need to do to get back in the mix is

A) Get Tatum healthy and back to his pre-injury level.
B) Turn the Simons slot into a big man making 20-30 million.
C) Turn the Niang slot into a 8-to-10-million-dollar level rotation player.
D) Develop at least one of your young wings into a cheap rotation option.

If you can do that then you have a solid eight-man rotation that I'd put up against any team in the league. Between the ability to spin off Simons/Niang and/or use the KP TPE i think they should be able to do the above. It just won't be this year.

A) We hope. From your lips to God's ears
B) Easier said than done. People are holding on to quality bigs for dear life right now. Losing 2 this offseason really hurts Hoping that at least 2 of the 3 of Garza, Neemi, and Amari show real potential as quality minutes bigs this year.
C) This is probably the easiest thing to accomplish. Niang is ALREADY an 8-10M rotation player and I think he will complement this roster well. We just lost our 2 best screeners on the team. Niang is a good screener. Don't think for a second that that doesn't matter.
D) Baylor Scheierman, come down! You are the next contestant...

[Fierce1]

Booker gets 72.5m per year.

That is insane. I wouldn't pay Tatum that.


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Have to agree.

Suns owner really desperate.

Makes the supermax of JB look like a bargain.

[bucknersrevenge]

Worth noting:



Also, while Simons is just barely ahead of Tatum in this, Tatum also had higher usage so it's even more impressive that Simons had higher assist % than Tatum, on lower usage (31.2 usage % for Tatum, 28.0 usage % for Simons)

In these clips, I like his ability to survey the floor, make good reads with the ball, create for others and the ability to collapse a defense and find the open man.

Read on Twitter

I'll take that dribble penetration over dribble-dribble-dribble fall-away 3 any day

The reason JT and JB were the best options most times to handle the ball and make plays was because our guards didn't drive the ball enough and none had the kind of bag to allow them to create off the bounce as good as the Jay's. Maybe having Simons on the court will allow them the opportunity to be set up a little more often.

[Dannyboy36]

I waffle on Sam. When he was hurt last year he was pretty rough. But, healthy, as your 8+ man, on that deal, he's solid.

I actually think you can't aggregate on top of Simons, tbh. I know we can technically if we stay under the apron, but with Jays and White, I just don't think you can fit another $30M+ guy on the roster going forward. I think you're going to need to get a couple rotation guys out of that money, not stack more on top of it for one really good guy.

I think you can fit another $30M guy on the roster. I think our current roster proves that. We're currently in position to be under the 2nd apron if we carried 14 guys instead of 15 and of our current 15 one is Tatum so we're kind of already doing the 14 man roster thing really. Simons at $27M basically is that $30M player.

Tatum - supermax
Brown - supermax
White - current extension
Simons - right about $30M
Hauser - $12M/year deal
Pritchard - $8M/year deal
Niang - $8M vet signing

Rest is rookie contracts and minimum signings.

I think our payroll structure is set up PERFECTLY for another $30M player to be an in-the-tax but below the 2nd apron team. That's where my expectation are for us to be during the rest of Tatum's prime, and be willing to go into the 2nd apron for a year or 2.

The issue right now is roster fit. Simons, as a scoring guard, simply isn't the right $30Mish player to have. Not when you have Pritchard as a similar archetype and then even some overlap with Hauser and your best rookie contract guys. I think our payroll structure is great right now, just need to swap some of them for similarly priced guys at different positions.

Ya, this is basically how I feel as well. If the budget is "right up to second apron" then all the Celtics really need to do to get back in the mix is

A) Get Tatum healthy and back to his pre-injury level.
B) Turn the Simons slot into a big man making 20-30 million.
C) Turn the Niang slot into a 8-to-10-million-dollar level rotation player.
D) Develop at least one of your young wings into a cheap rotation option.

If you can do that then you have a solid eight-man rotation that I'd put up against any team in the league. Between the ability to spin off Simons/Niang and/or use the KP TPE i think they should be able to do the above. It just won't be this year.

[djFan71]

Clarkson is 33 years old. 7 years older than Simons and not nearly as good. I don't think he's very relevant to the discussion.

Also, I wouldn't label Simons as just a scorer. He has posted respectable assist % numbers. He is a good passer out of the PnR, good lob passer and I'm watching the Blazers/Pacers game now from last year..he starts at PG this game with Scoot off the bench and so far is doing a nice job of facilitating the offense and finding the open man..

His defense isn't looking bad so far this game either..

Simons is closer to Tyler Herro than Jordan Clarkson imo.

Clarkson quite clearly the 3rd/minor one that I just happened to remember. The more relevant examples were Sexton and Powell that I listed originally. And I'm sure you can list differences from Simons and those 2 as well, but the main point stands that the GENERAL archetype of those players is not being valued much this offseason.

Both of those guys had slightly extenuating circumstances. Sexton as on a team that, to a certain degree, valued NOT having him because it will help them lose games. LAC meanwhile didn't want to extend Powell because he's 32 years old. And both of those guys did at least return competent NBA players in Nurkic and Collins, so its not like they had NO value.

My guess is Simons value isn't incredibly high, but also the Celtics are constrained by their own financial issue. If they could take back 30+ million in a deal vs the 21 million they are likely targeting trading him would be way easier.

Eh, I mean kinda, but most trades have circumstances. They still had 28 other teams to find value from but ultimately they had to pay to turn their one-way guard into a big. That's just seems to be the trend now. Not that they have no value, just less than would be expected. Simons even if we take back the full money is hard to find someone who has contracts that they want to turn into him. I don't think he's a horrible player, he's just not one that's super valued on his current deal. If he was making $12-15M then it's a completely different story.

It's why I end up with Simons + a first = decent rotation big. Simons + nothing = Kuz and scraps, lol.

[Dannyboy36]

Worth noting:



Also, while Simons is just barely ahead of Tatum in this, Tatum also had higher usage so it's even more impressive that Simons had higher assist % than Tatum, on lower usage (31.2 usage % for Tatum, 28.0 usage % for Simons)

In these clips, I like his ability to survey the floor, make good reads with the ball, create for others and the ability to collapse a defense and find the open man.

Read on Twitter

I'll take that dribble penetration over dribble-dribble-dribble fall-away 3 any day

The reason JT and JB were the best options most times to handle the ball and make plays was because our guards didn't drive the ball enough and none had the kind of bag to allow them to create off the bounce as good as the Jay's. Maybe having Simons on the court will allow them the opportunity to be set up a little more often.

No idea if Simon’s plays or stats but he is quitters offensive player . If it was starting the year out either White/ Simon’s, JB, Tatum , Pritchard , Hauser and Schisrnan who I think had Pitt risk as a rotation guy then I’d be itching for a center to try to win the east.
I won’t down okay Simon’s D . It’s bad. Weeds a weakness issue and a desire issue. But I won’t die okay is offensive talent. With a full celts roster Simons would move the ball and very fast. He first stand around pounding the ball on offense , I love his energy.

[Shak_Celts]

Booker gets 72.5m per year.

That is insane. I wouldn't pay Tatum that.


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Tat’s next contract could be pushing 85m per if he comes back what he was or better.

It’s a new dawn, it’s a new day, and that money is feeling gooooood!!

[jfs1000d]

Booker gets 72.5m per year.

That is insane. I wouldn't pay Tatum that.


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Tat’s next contract could be pushing 85m per if he comes back what he was or better.

It’s a new dawn, it’s a new day, and that money is feeling gooooood!!

It isn't money. It is cap percentage.


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[MaxwellSmart]

This CBA gonna be killing teams...and Those Super Max contracts...smh.

[Fierce1]

This CBA gonna be killing teams...and Those Super Max contracts...smh.

Very few can get the supermax.

Our 2 superstars got the supermax but that is not the norm.

[jfs1000d]

This CBA gonna be killing teams...and Those Super Max contracts...smh.

Very few can get the supermax.

Our 2 superstars got the supermax but that is not the norm.

Booker at $72M? That is $20m more than Tatum. And, suns and Celtics have the same rules.

That max deal is gonna end up killing the suns long term.


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