SUNS trade assets (Richards, Allen, O'Neale)

[Mavrelous]

None of these is a significant asset, and the length on O'Neale deal is bad, Allen not ideal.
Many teams could use them, but so do the Suns, I don't see the point of exchaing them with others.

O'Neal is 32, under contract for 3 years at 11mil per year. Last year he shot 41% from 3, average 9 and 5.

How many 3/D guys are there out there better than Royce who are paid less a year?

DFS is a better 3/D forward than O'Neale, he was a FA, and got a 2 year deal.
2 other 30+ y/o vets who aren't 3/D but established players, in LeVert and Schroder also got 2 year deals.
I have O'Neale as lower tier player from these, if he was a FA he wouldn't get more than the TPMLE IMO.

[Mr Puddles]

None of these is a significant asset, and the length on O'Neale deal is bad, Allen not ideal.
Many teams could use them, but so do the Suns, I don't see the point of exchaing them with others.

O'Neal is 32, under contract for 3 years at 11mil per year. Last year he shot 41% from 3, average 9 and 5.

How many 3/D guys are there out there better than Royce who are paid less a year?

DFS is a better 3/D forward than O'Neale, he was a FA, and got a 2 year deal.
2 other 30+ y/o vets who aren't 3/D but established players, in LeVert and Schroder also got 2 year deals.
I have O'Neale as lower tier player from these, if he was a FA he wouldn't get more than the TPMLE IMO.

Didn't DFS sign for 53 mil / 4 years which is about 13.25 mil a year?

Schroeder signed for 3 years 45 mil, at 15 mil a year, and Levert signed for 29 mil 2 years 29 mil, roughly 14.5 mil a year.

Duncan Robinson just signed a three year 48 mil contract, although it's not fully guaranteed, that's still 16 mil a year.

All these players are roughly in the same tier as O'Neal in my opinion, even if you consider them slightly better the difference in pay seems to be commensurate with the difference in level of play.

[Mavrelous]

O'Neal is 32, under contract for 3 years at 11mil per year. Last year he shot 41% from 3, average 9 and 5.

How many 3/D guys are there out there better than Royce who are paid less a year?

DFS is a better 3/D forward than O'Neale, he was a FA, and got a 2 year deal.
2 other 30+ y/o vets who aren't 3/D but established players, in LeVert and Schroder also got 2 year deals.
I have O'Neale as lower tier player from these, if he was a FA he wouldn't get more than the TPMLE IMO.

Didn't DFS sign for 53 mil / 4 years which is about 13.25 mil a year?

Schroeder signed for 3 years 45 mil, at 15 mil a year, and Levert signed for 29 mil 2 years 29 mil, roughly 14.5 mil a year.

Duncan Robinson just signed a three year 48 mil contract, although it's not fully guaranteed, that's still 16 mil a year.

All these players are roughly in the same tier as O'Neal in my opinion, even if you consider them slightly better the difference in pay seems to be commensurate with the difference in level of play.

DFS both years 3 and 4 are unguaranteed, Schroeder year 3 has a tiny guarantee, Robinson year 2 has tiny guarantee and year 3 unguaranteed.
All new non star contracts in the new CBA had flexibility in mind, 32 y/o average role player on 3 years contracts isn't flexible.
I totally disagree on the tier, I don't have O'Neale on their tier at all, but none of them has 3 years guarantee into age 35 like O'Neale.

[Mr Puddles]

DFS is a better 3/D forward than O'Neale, he was a FA, and got a 2 year deal.
2 other 30+ y/o vets who aren't 3/D but established players, in LeVert and Schroder also got 2 year deals.
I have O'Neale as lower tier player from these, if he was a FA he wouldn't get more than the TPMLE IMO.

Didn't DFS sign for 53 mil / 4 years which is about 13.25 mil a year?

Schroeder signed for 3 years 45 mil, at 15 mil a year, and Levert signed for 29 mil 2 years 29 mil, roughly 14.5 mil a year.

Duncan Robinson just signed a three year 48 mil contract, although it's not fully guaranteed, that's still 16 mil a year.

All these players are roughly in the same tier as O'Neal in my opinion, even if you consider them slightly better the difference in pay seems to be commensurate with the difference in level of play.

DFS both years 3 and 4 are unguaranteed, Schroeder year 3 has a tiny guarantee, Robinson year 2 has tiny guarantee and year 3 unguaranteed.
All new non star contracts in the new CBA had flexibility in mind, 32 y/o average role player on 3 years contracts isn't flexible.
I totally disagree on the tier, I don't have O'Neale on their tier at all, but none of them has 3 years guarantee into age 35 like O'Neale.

I don't see the argument here, all four guys still make more money per year than O'Neal, in the case of Schroeder and levert roughl as much over a two year period as Royce does spread over three. Also I don't really see how these guys are a tier above Royce, if anything I'd easily take Royce over Duncan, Levert and I'd say he's a wash with Schroeder (but when factoring in contracts, I'd pick Royce) .

Overall, I don't think the most compelling argument that Royce is on a bad contract isn't to list guys who make more money than him but happen to expire a year earlier. Looking at these contracts, I'm actually more convinced than before that he's on an excellent deal.

[Mavrelous]

Didn't DFS sign for 53 mil / 4 years which is about 13.25 mil a year?

Schroeder signed for 3 years 45 mil, at 15 mil a year, and Levert signed for 29 mil 2 years 29 mil, roughly 14.5 mil a year.

Duncan Robinson just signed a three year 48 mil contract, although it's not fully guaranteed, that's still 16 mil a year.

All these players are roughly in the same tier as O'Neal in my opinion, even if you consider them slightly better the difference in pay seems to be commensurate with the difference in level of play.

DFS both years 3 and 4 are unguaranteed, Schroeder year 3 has a tiny guarantee, Robinson year 2 has tiny guarantee and year 3 unguaranteed.
All new non star contracts in the new CBA had flexibility in mind, 32 y/o average role player on 3 years contracts isn't flexible.
I totally disagree on the tier, I don't have O'Neale on their tier at all, but none of them has 3 years guarantee into age 35 like O'Neale.

I don't see the argument here, all four guys still make more money per year than O'Neal, in the case of Schroeder and levert roughl as much over a two year period as Royce does spread over three. Also I don't really see how these guys are a tier above Royce, if anything I'd easily take Royce over Duncan, Levert and I'd say he's a wash with Schroeder (but when factoring in contracts, I'd pick Royce) .

Overall, I don't think the most compelling argument that Royce is on a bad contract isn't to list guys who make more money than him but happen to expire a year earlier. Looking at these contracts, I'm actually more convinced than before that he's on an excellent deal.

I disagree with your evaluation of talent level, if Royce O'Neale was a FA on July 1st, I don't think he'd get this contact neither in AAV nor in length, but this wasn't my initial point at all, my initial point was, Royce O'Neale is signed for too many years, and all examples from FA this year say the same thing.

[Mr Puddles]

DFS both years 3 and 4 are unguaranteed, Schroeder year 3 has a tiny guarantee, Robinson year 2 has tiny guarantee and year 3 unguaranteed.
All new non star contracts in the new CBA had flexibility in mind, 32 y/o average role player on 3 years contracts isn't flexible.
I totally disagree on the tier, I don't have O'Neale on their tier at all, but none of them has 3 years guarantee into age 35 like O'Neale.

I don't see the argument here, all four guys still make more money per year than O'Neal, in the case of Schroeder and levert roughl as much over a two year period as Royce does spread over three. Also I don't really see how these guys are a tier above Royce, if anything I'd easily take Royce over Duncan, Levert and I'd say he's a wash with Schroeder (but when factoring in contracts, I'd pick Royce) .

Overall, I don't think the most compelling argument that Royce is on a bad contract isn't to list guys who make more money than him but happen to expire a year earlier. Looking at these contracts, I'm actually more convinced than before that he's on an excellent deal.

I disagree with your evaluation of talent level, if Royce O'Neale was a FA on July 1st, I don't think he'd get this contact neither in AAV nor in length, but this wasn't my initial point at all, my initial point was, Royce O'Neale is signed for too many years, and all examples from FA this year say the same thing.

I get that, I just don't think the too many years guaranteed is a strong argument when we're talking about 1 extra year, and roughly the same amount of money.

Schroeder has 34.25 mil guaranteed. Would you rather pay him 11.4 mil a year for 3 years or 17.1 mil a year for 2 years? Would Royce O'Neal contract be better if it he was making 17 mil a year for 2 years rather than 11 mil a year for 3?

[NCHeels2008]

Lakers would have interest in Grayson.

I think Gabe+Knecht could do it?

Thats interesting for sure

Suns have to be all over that. Not sure the Lakers would actually do it, though.

Terrible deal for the Lakers no idea why they do that

[Astaluego]

Allen+Royce+Richards for D.Murray

or something with Kuzma?