Fisher: Raptors are still shopping RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley

[niQ]

Are they Pelicans still taking calls?

[sidsid]

This is very much the same for the Raptors. We just want some or all that salary gone now that the 9th isn't in play. That's the goal. Other teams mainly see RJ and Kuzma as just salary as well.

Us losing RJ for just cap shaving isn't really that worthwhile. We need to find a way to get some kind of substance back for him, even if it means waiting until the season is mid-way and hoping that he plays better than he did this season.

Well the trade proposed was an unprotected pick in the future when that Bucks team may look even worse than it is right now, and everyone is rightfully ridiculing Dumars for giving up a similarly acquired pick in the Queen trade.

That's pretty damn good value for a guy we've proven to not even want on the team after the Pels rebuffed the offer, and all we really need is some salary flexibility in return, which Kuzma provides a bit of.

[redraptor77]

I’m not sold on the bucks
That teams doesn’t look strong
If Giannis goes down for ten games they lose everyone one of them
Unless they play Utah then maybe they win one
Raptors look top 6 to me
If they develop and have a break out year from one or two guys they can surprise
However I do think they need a consolidation trade eventually
Dick RJ Walter Ochai seems congested

[tsherkin]

Well the trade proposed was an unprotected pick in the future when that Bucks team may look even worse than it is right now, and everyone is rightfully ridiculing Dumars for giving up a similarly acquired pick in the Queen trade.

That's pretty damn good value for a guy we've proven to not even want on the team after the Pels rebuffed the offer, and all we really need is some salary flexibility in return, which Kuzma provides a bit of.

It's something, I guess. But unless Giannis leaves, that pick isn't going to be anything special, and that salary flexibility option will be around later instead of firing off too soon.

[LoveMyRaps]

Are they Pelicans still taking calls?

If we could swap RJ with Trey - we'd be a significantly better team.

RJ + 2 first round picks

[Psubs]

Are they Pelicans still taking calls?

If we could swap RJ with Trey - we'd be a significantly better team.

RJ + 2 first round picks

More likely they would trade Zion.

[deck]

Poeltl, IQ, RJ and Scottie are among the worst 4 man lineups in the entire league lol. Those guys are supposed to be your best 4 players and they have a negative net rating. I don’t think you realize how bad that is.

Siakam, FVV, OG and Scottie were a mediocre core and they were still able to be a positive net rating, albeit it being still a horrible number for starters.

Our current 4 make the look like contenders. That’s how bad the net rating is.

If we actually go into the season with those 4 guys, then we gotta have a super short leash. I’m talking 10 games max.

Ideally we should move on from RJ right now. It’s not rocket science, our starting lineup needs more 3pt shooting. We have ONE reliable 3pt shooter in the entire starting lineup. That’s a recipe for disaster.

Look at the Pacers starting rotation that just made the finals - every guy can shoot the 3 ball.

Look at the Thunder starting rotation that just won the finals - 4/5 can shoot the 3 ball.

Ochai starting over RJ is an easy fix for the time being if we decide to hold onto RJ till the deadline.

I don’t know what people see in this trio to believe in them so much.

Only one good 3 point shooter. Only one of them can play good defence on a consistent basis.

IQ, RJ, Scottie had a -12.7 net rating this season. They had a +2.9 rating last year. This is across 2 seasons with over 500+ minutes worth of data. They’re just not good enough.

Low floor, low ceiling. Only miracle we can hope for is Ingram suddenly going back to his all nba caliber self from 2 years ago before his ankles got cooked.

It's likely the bold part where you are misaligned with others. You should define 'not good enough'. Not good enough for what?

I don't expect us to be competing for a championship any time soon, so I am generally ok with us going into this season with the current roster. Making the playoffs for the first time since 2020 would be a success to me. I think this roster is good enough to acheive that.

Also, using net rating of IQ, RJ, and Barnes over the past two seasons is not a very meaningful stat in my opinion. There were significant minutes where those three were playing without a centre, minutes where they were playing with g-league level players or rookies, and those 500+ minutes were largely not contiguous. We were purposefully tanking last year, and if you actually watch the games, the impact of not fielding our best roster was very apparent.

I don't see anyone saying this starting lineup is going to dominate the league. I see lots of people saying we should actually try to be competitive for a stretch of time before reaching conclusions.

My main concern with retaining RJ or IQ isn't about whether they are good enough or not, I am more concerned that at some point we don't have enough minutes to develop someone like JaKobe.

[Rapsfan07]

If we actually go into the season with those 4 guys, then we gotta have a super short leash. I’m talking 10 games max.

Ideally we should move on from RJ right now. It’s not rocket science, our starting lineup needs more 3pt shooting. We have ONE reliable 3pt shooter in the entire starting lineup. That’s a recipe for disaster.

Look at the Pacers starting rotation that just made the finals - every guy can shoot the 3 ball.

Look at the Thunder starting rotation that just won the finals - 4/5 can shoot the 3 ball.

Ochai starting over RJ is an easy fix for the time being if we decide to hold onto RJ till the deadline.

I don’t know what people see in this trio to believe in them so much.

Only one good 3 point shooter. Only one of them can play good defence on a consistent basis.

IQ, RJ, Scottie had a -12.7 net rating this season. They had a +2.9 rating last year. This is across 2 seasons with over 500+ minutes worth of data. They’re just not good enough.

Low floor, low ceiling. Only miracle we can hope for is Ingram suddenly going back to his all nba caliber self from 2 years ago before his ankles got cooked.

It's likely the bold part where you are misaligned with others. You should define 'not good enough'. Not good enough for what?

I don't expect us to be competing for a championship any time soon, so I am generally ok with us going into this season with the current roster. Making the playoffs for the first time since 2020 would be a success to me. I think this roster is good enough to acheive that.

Also, using net rating of IQ, RJ, and Barnes over the past two seasons is not a very meaningful stat in my opinion. There were significant minutes where those three were playing without a centre, minutes where they were playing with g-league level players or rookies, and those 500+ minutes were largely not contiguous. We were purposefully tanking last year, and if you actually watch the games, the impact of not fielding our best roster was very apparent.

I don't see anyone saying this starting lineup is going to dominate the league. I see lots of people saying we should actually try to be competitive for a stretch of time before reaching conclusions.

My main concern with retaining RJ or IQ isn't about whether they are good enough or not, I am more concerned that at some point we don't have enough minutes to develop someone like JaKobe.

I would mostly agree with this as well.

At the end of the day, there isn't much we can do about this roster right now. No one is going to give anything of value for RJ and we truly don't have much data on how good this team can actually be; especially with the addition of Ingram.

I don't expect them to be a contender but seeing as there's nothing else we can do at this stage, we'd be better off just going into the season and seeing how it all goes. We can make subsequent moves from there.

[earthtone]

Raptors have been in the luxury tax ONCE in the entire franchise’s history.

But folks want to hand wave that off like it isn’t relevant because they’re desperate to see a mediocre core be given a shot lol.

We’re in a league that in the past decade has gone from five teams in the luxury tax and 15 teams within $5 mil of the tax, to 10 teams in the tax and 26 within $5 mil of the tax

But folks want to hand wave that off and act like we’re in a uniquely bad cap situation because…?

Again, we’ve been in the luxury tax ONCE and that was the championship. We’re not going to be a luxury tax team by the end of the season lol.

The whole point is we're not really in danger of hitting the tax. We're less than a million over the tax right now and have our entire Top 8/10 signed through 2026/27. No need to offload RJ, IQ etc before they have a chance to play together.

[Tacoma]

If we actually go into the season with those 4 guys, then we gotta have a super short leash. I’m talking 10 games max.

Ideally we should move on from RJ right now. It’s not rocket science, our starting lineup needs more 3pt shooting. We have ONE reliable 3pt shooter in the entire starting lineup. That’s a recipe for disaster.

Look at the Pacers starting rotation that just made the finals - every guy can shoot the 3 ball.

Look at the Thunder starting rotation that just won the finals - 4/5 can shoot the 3 ball.

Ochai starting over RJ is an easy fix for the time being if we decide to hold onto RJ till the deadline.

I don’t know what people see in this trio to believe in them so much.

Only one good 3 point shooter. Only one of them can play good defence on a consistent basis.

IQ, RJ, Scottie had a -12.7 net rating this season. They had a +2.9 rating last year. This is across 2 seasons with over 500+ minutes worth of data. They’re just not good enough.

Low floor, low ceiling. Only miracle we can hope for is Ingram suddenly going back to his all nba caliber self from 2 years ago before his ankles got cooked.

It's likely the bold part where you are misaligned with others. You should define 'not good enough'. Not good enough for what?

I don't expect us to be competing for a championship any time soon, so I am generally ok with us going into this season with the current roster. Making the playoffs for the first time since 2020 would be a success to me. I think this roster is good enough to acheive that.

Also, using net rating of IQ, RJ, and Barnes over the past two seasons is not a very meaningful stat in my opinion. There were significant minutes where those three were playing without a centre, minutes where they were playing with g-league level players or rookies, and those 500+ minutes were largely not contiguous. We were purposefully tanking last year, and if you actually watch the games, the impact of not fielding our best roster was very apparent.

I don't see anyone saying this starting lineup is going to dominate the league. I see lots of people saying we should actually try to be competitive for a stretch of time before reaching conclusions.

My main concern with retaining RJ or IQ isn't about whether they are good enough or not, I am more concerned that at some point we don't have enough minutes to develop someone like JaKobe.

IMO, "good enough" should mean good enough to be a Champion contender now or with a growth path towards winning a Championship.

This season, of our core players, IQ will be in his 6th season, 7th for RJ, 10th for Ingram, 5th for Barnes and 10th for Poeltl. This core is established at peak now on a path likely 5th seed ceiling, not Championship caliber. A possible exception is if Barnes breaks out to superstardom (not likely).

So if being on realistic path towards Championship contention is the goal, then this core ain't it. I expect major moves by the new FO this summer to get us on the right path. This team as it stands today will not grow into being good enough.

[Scase]

Raptors have been in the luxury tax ONCE in the entire franchise’s history.

But folks want to hand wave that off like it isn’t relevant because they’re desperate to see a mediocre core be given a shot lol.

They are NOT a mediocre core... this team is playoffs bound.

If we make the playoffs it will be a good season

Cavs
Magic
Philly
New York
Atlanta
Bucks
Detroit

Boston
Indy

That is 9 teams. Boston and Indy are down but had depth. Will be interesting to see how far they fall off this season.

Miami
Chicago

They look to be treadmill and fighting for the playoffs despite fact they'd be better off tanking. So making playoffs would be a very solid season and probably require a 42 win season to make the play in...

I'd say we win 43 baring injuries and finish 9th next year. Middling results but a good upswing. We need to walk before we run.

There's also talks of Ayton joining the Pacers which would definitely bump them back up a peg. Boston is still better than us, assuming they don't make any more massive trades or shut down for the season, I think CHI is getting overlooked, not sure how good they will be, but wouldn't be surprised to see them only slightly behind us.

If we have a healthy season and only end up with like low 40's thats more of a sign we run from this core than anything.

[Scase]

If we actually go into the season with those 4 guys, then we gotta have a super short leash. I’m talking 10 games max.

Ideally we should move on from RJ right now. It’s not rocket science, our starting lineup needs more 3pt shooting. We have ONE reliable 3pt shooter in the entire starting lineup. That’s a recipe for disaster.

Look at the Pacers starting rotation that just made the finals - every guy can shoot the 3 ball.

Look at the Thunder starting rotation that just won the finals - 4/5 can shoot the 3 ball.

Ochai starting over RJ is an easy fix for the time being if we decide to hold onto RJ till the deadline.

I don’t know what people see in this trio to believe in them so much.

Only one good 3 point shooter. Only one of them can play good defence on a consistent basis.

IQ, RJ, Scottie had a -12.7 net rating this season. They had a +2.9 rating last year. This is across 2 seasons with over 500+ minutes worth of data. They’re just not good enough.

Low floor, low ceiling. Only miracle we can hope for is Ingram suddenly going back to his all nba caliber self from 2 years ago before his ankles got cooked.

It's likely the bold part where you are misaligned with others. You should define 'not good enough'. Not good enough for what?

I don't expect us to be competing for a championship any time soon, so I am generally ok with us going into this season with the current roster. Making the playoffs for the first time since 2020 would be a success to me. I think this roster is good enough to acheive that.

Also, using net rating of IQ, RJ, and Barnes over the past two seasons is not a very meaningful stat in my opinion. There were significant minutes where those three were playing without a centre, minutes where they were playing with g-league level players or rookies, and those 500+ minutes were largely not contiguous. We were purposefully tanking last year, and if you actually watch the games, the impact of not fielding our best roster was very apparent.

I don't see anyone saying this starting lineup is going to dominate the league. I see lots of people saying we should actually try to be competitive for a stretch of time before reaching conclusions.

My main concern with retaining RJ or IQ isn't about whether they are good enough or not, I am more concerned that at some point we don't have enough minutes to develop someone like JaKobe.

"Not good enough" is generally referring to the ceiling of the team, no one is expecting them to become contenders overnight, but the entire core, aside from Scottie, are well into their careers and traditionally will not have any large leaps, and in cases of BI/Jak likely any leaps at all.

No one is expecting them going into this season to be the worst of the league, but ultimately the pieces we have, are incredibly flawed, too expensive, and lack value outside of our own FO. It's not a good recipe for success.

[Basketball_Jones]

I think with CMB also being a left handed slasher they are now investing in it probably does mean RJ will be dealt. It’s just a bad fit with Barnes/CMB/Poeltl/Yak and they are pressured to win now.

[deck]

I don’t know what people see in this trio to believe in them so much.

Only one good 3 point shooter. Only one of them can play good defence on a consistent basis.

IQ, RJ, Scottie had a -12.7 net rating this season. They had a +2.9 rating last year. This is across 2 seasons with over 500+ minutes worth of data. They’re just not good enough.

Low floor, low ceiling. Only miracle we can hope for is Ingram suddenly going back to his all nba caliber self from 2 years ago before his ankles got cooked.

It's likely the bold part where you are misaligned with others. You should define 'not good enough'. Not good enough for what?

I don't expect us to be competing for a championship any time soon, so I am generally ok with us going into this season with the current roster. Making the playoffs for the first time since 2020 would be a success to me. I think this roster is good enough to acheive that.

Also, using net rating of IQ, RJ, and Barnes over the past two seasons is not a very meaningful stat in my opinion. There were significant minutes where those three were playing without a centre, minutes where they were playing with g-league level players or rookies, and those 500+ minutes were largely not contiguous. We were purposefully tanking last year, and if you actually watch the games, the impact of not fielding our best roster was very apparent.

I don't see anyone saying this starting lineup is going to dominate the league. I see lots of people saying we should actually try to be competitive for a stretch of time before reaching conclusions.

My main concern with retaining RJ or IQ isn't about whether they are good enough or not, I am more concerned that at some point we don't have enough minutes to develop someone like JaKobe.

IMO, "good enough" should mean good enough to be a Champion contender now or with a growth path towards winning a Championship.

This season, of our core players, IQ will be in his 6th season, 7th for RJ, 10th for Ingram, 5th for Barnes and 10th for Poeltl. This core is established at peak now on a path likely 5th seed ceiling, not Championship caliber. A possible exception is if Barnes breaks out to superstardom (not likely).

So if being on realistic path towards Championship contention is the goal, then this core ain't it. I expect major moves by the new FO this summer to get us on the right path. This team as it stands today will not grow into being good enough.

Fair enough, but we have seen through our own franchise how fluid a teams progression can be. I don't recall a single person here or elsewhere saying our 2013/2014 roster had the potential to compete for a championship. (DeRozan's 4th season, Lowry's 7th season, Gay's 7th season, Amir's 8th season, etc.) We surely have more assets on the roster right now than we did then. And if anything, the league is even more fluid now than it was then.

Again, I'm not against more roster moves, but they don't need to reactionary. Let the team actually play competitive basketball and improve the value of the players we have. It took 5 seasons of roster moves to take us from playoff team to the 2019 championship.

The point of my post was to point out why HumbleRen sees things differently; it's not because he/she holds some insight that others don't about the quality of the roster. It is more likely a discrepancy on what people view as 'good enough' for next season, and the path / timeline people are comfortable with to improve.

[LoveMyRaps]

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[Purple+Black]

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[dballislife]

of course we are we are shopping everyone at all times...but in the meantime we will hang onto two very useful players

[ArthurVandelay]

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I’m not sure who is the worst offenders of leaking BS in the NBA. Lakers? Blazers? Kings? I’m thinking Lakers followed closely by Kings.

I’m not sure if RJ gets traded, but if he does, one thing I feel very confident about is he’ll be a King.

Based on the multiple RJ and Monk rumours, the holdup seems to be primarily finding a home for Monk imo.

Edit: here is the source of the aggregation…nothing really new here and phrased as opinion.

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[ImaBeatDatAzz]

Can we not give away RJ for peanuts, goddamn let them play some games first. Will just make the OG trade look worse

[Jerry Lucas]

Maybe Scott Perry is stupid enough to give us Monk and Devin Carter for RJ, considering how little he seems to value Monk and Carter, and how much he still loves RJ.