PF targets

[NYPiston]

PJ is the absolute perfect fit for this team. Langdon has to make it happen. He fits perfectly into the TPE, and 1st round picks can be used.

Cade/LeVert
Ivey/Robinson
Ausar/Holland
PJ/Harris
Duren/Stewart

Dallas will bite if you start stacking 1st rounders. Don't have to send another player back either. This team is ready to compete for a title, right now.

GET IT DONE LANGDON.

That team is NOT a title contender, lets be real here.
Also, why is Dallas trading Washington? They're looking to compete this season.

[Pistons-LR]

Nic Batum would be a solid vet addition, he s free agent now

[the_l_train]

Nic Batum would be a solid vet addition, he s free agent now

Pretty sure he is back to the Clips on a 2 year deal.

Boucher still the best unrestricted free agent PF left.

[thesack12]

Even great teams have weak points/holes/depth concerns on the roster.

Not sure why some folks seem to be expecting the team should be able to satisfy all potential issues. Let alone accomplishing that in an offseason without a 1st round pick or notable cap space.

Also, every team's fate from season to season is largely predicated on injury luck. Getting good luck generally yields + results. You get bad luck generally leads to unwanted outcomes.

Sure we would all like to have a solid PF 2, or PG 2, and a lot of other things. But lets be realistic here. The team's arrow is pointing up, but its not like this is a championship contender. No need to make rash moves like "stacking" 1st round picks for an average talent like PJ Washington.

[the_l_train]

I'd like to think this is all part of Trajans master plan as a message to the young guys like Sasser and Klintman...like here are 2 glaring holes in the lineup, and the spot is yours if you are ready to step up and take it...if not, you're gone.

[zeebneeb]

PJ is the absolute perfect fit for this team. Langdon has to make it happen. He fits perfectly into the TPE, and 1st round picks can be used.

Cade/LeVert
Ivey/Robinson
Ausar/Holland
PJ/Harris
Duren/Stewart

Dallas will bite if you start stacking 1st rounders. Don't have to send another player back either. This team is ready to compete for a title, right now.

GET IT DONE LANGDON.

That team is NOT a title contender, lets be real here.
Also, why is Dallas trading Washington? They're looking to compete this season.

So if I say they are im incorrect, and if you say they are not, "its being real".

I heard a lot of that before the Pistons added Rasheed, and a ton when they did add him. Hell, I got into it with Pat Caputo on the radio back in the day about this exact topic.

I firmly believe, that if the Pistons added PJ Washington, without having to give up Harris, they are instant title contenders. That is a rock solid team, headed by a top 10-15 MVP caliber level player.(votes count)

Even a modest jump by Ausar, and it becomes even more of a sure thing. Ivey continues his trajectory he started last season before dumbass takes him out, and hoo-boy are the Pistons a beast.

I believe the Pistons are extremely close to truly competing for a title, far closer then most realize.

Cade/LeVert
Ivey/Robinson
Ausar/Holland
PJ/Harris
Duren/Stewart

That is an insane mix of high end talent, athleticism, defensive prowess, passion, toughness, e.t.c.

If you want to argue that the team would still need more experience, I would agree to an extent. Most title teams need to go deeper, and deeper each year before they win. With that said, ill be damned if I agree that, that roster isn't deep, and talented. Now throw in the fact that the East is greatly weakened from last season, and I can absolutely see the Pistons playing in the finals next summer.

[the_l_train]

PJ is the absolute perfect fit for this team. Langdon has to make it happen. He fits perfectly into the TPE, and 1st round picks can be used.

Cade/LeVert
Ivey/Robinson
Ausar/Holland
PJ/Harris
Duren/Stewart

Dallas will bite if you start stacking 1st rounders. Don't have to send another player back either. This team is ready to compete for a title, right now.

GET IT DONE LANGDON.

That team is NOT a title contender, lets be real here.
Also, why is Dallas trading Washington? They're looking to compete this season.

So if I say they are im incorrect, and if you say they are not, "its being real".

I heard a lot of that before the Pistons added Rasheed, and a ton when they did add him. Hell, I got into it with Pat Caputo on the radio back in the day about this exact topic.

I firmly believe, that if the Pistons added PJ Washington, without having to give up Harris, they are instant title contenders. That is a rock solid team, headed by a top 10-15 MVP caliber level player.(votes count)

Even a modest jump by Ausar, and it becomes even more of a sure thing. Ivey continues his trajectory he started last season before dumbass takes him out, and hoo-boy are the Pistons a beast.

I believe the Pistons are extremely close to truly competing for a title, far closer then most realize.

Cade/LeVert
Ivey/Robinson
Ausar/Holland
PJ/Harris
Duren/Stewart

That is an insane mix of high end talent, athleticism, defensive prowess, passion, toughness, e.t.c.

If you want to argue that the team would still need more experience, I would agree to an extent. Most title teams need to go deeper, and deeper each year before they win. With that said, ill be damned if I agree that, that roster isn't deep, and talented. Now throw in the fact that the East is greatly weakened from last season, and I can absolutely see the Pistons playing in the finals next summer.

Love the confidence, and if the East projects the way we expect, I’m right there with you. A piece away from being serious.

Tobias is underwhelming as a starter, but a great guy to have as 6th-7th man. Having a guy like Cade alone should put us in the mix in a weak east, and gotta think at least one of the young guys take a step.

[mike06181]

Heck if the ref called a foul at end of game 4 and free throws were made.. series goes 3-1 pistons and they probably win it in 5. Knicks were toast. Big difference one call made and thats without ivey and stew. Pistons could have made a run with last yrs team to finals if everything fell right. No reason to believe this season they cant with boston and indy both hurt and bucks? Too

[bstein14]

Giving guys like Duncan Robinson and LeVery full MLE means we're likely playing them at least 24 MPG. You don't give a guy $15+ million per year to play 16 MPG as the 9th or 10th guy.

Cade (33) / Ivey (15)
Ivey (17) / LeVert (31)
Ausar (24) / Robinson (24)


Forget about Sasser, there isn't room in the 1/2/3 rotation even for Holland unless someome from that mix is going to also be our backup PF.

There's pretty much no more room in our rotation unless we're not playing Sasser and Holland at all which seems unlikely that Holland falls out entirely.

Ausar rebounds and defends well enough to play the four no problem so he'll likely be the guy shifting to backup big... I wonder if we stagger his minutes with Tobias like we did with Cade and Ivey.

[Mr Peanut]

He's in a contract year and I'm sure him and his agent are aware that his minutes/role is likely to diminish given the Mavs crowded frontcourt. We have a guaranteed significant role available and potential starting spot if he outplayed Tobias.

The Pistons have no such guaranteed significant role available. They could easily cover 100% of the minutes with the top nine guys on the roster already.

A few posts above the one you quoted:

Unfortunately some on this board argue against adding rotation players as they seem to have this belief that our 9 main guys will be entirely healthy for the 82 games. When most of us know that will never happen.

We can't rely on a 33y/o Tobias to be our sole true PF next season.

Great teams have depth at every position. Right now it's not a stretch to say we have the worst PF rotation of the East teams that are realistically competing for the playoffs.

[Snakebites]

JB typically keeps his rotations small.

I doubt we acquire anyone for the rest of the offseason who gets rotation minutes.

This feels like it.

[theBigLip]

That team is NOT a title contender, lets be real here.
Also, why is Dallas trading Washington? They're looking to compete this season.

So if I say they are im incorrect, and if you say they are not, "its being real".

I heard a lot of that before the Pistons added Rasheed, and a ton when they did add him. Hell, I got into it with Pat Caputo on the radio back in the day about this exact topic.

I firmly believe, that if the Pistons added PJ Washington, without having to give up Harris, they are instant title contenders. That is a rock solid team, headed by a top 10-15 MVP caliber level player.(votes count)

Even a modest jump by Ausar, and it becomes even more of a sure thing. Ivey continues his trajectory he started last season before dumbass takes him out, and hoo-boy are the Pistons a beast.

I believe the Pistons are extremely close to truly competing for a title, far closer then most realize.

Cade/LeVert
Ivey/Robinson
Ausar/Holland
PJ/Harris
Duren/Stewart

That is an insane mix of high end talent, athleticism, defensive prowess, passion, toughness, e.t.c.

If you want to argue that the team would still need more experience, I would agree to an extent. Most title teams need to go deeper, and deeper each year before they win. With that said, ill be damned if I agree that, that roster isn't deep, and talented. Now throw in the fact that the East is greatly weakened from last season, and I can absolutely see the Pistons playing in the finals next summer.

Love the confidence, and if the East projects the way we expect, I’m right there with you. A piece away from being serious.

Tobias is underwhelming as a starter, but a great guy to have as 6th-7th man. Having a guy like Cade alone should put us in the mix in a weak east, and gotta think at least one of the young guys take a step.

I’m totally drinking the Zeeb KoolAid!

[Canadafan]

So if I say they are im incorrect, and if you say they are not, "its being real".

I heard a lot of that before the Pistons added Rasheed, and a ton when they did add him. Hell, I got into it with Pat Caputo on the radio back in the day about this exact topic.

I firmly believe, that if the Pistons added PJ Washington, without having to give up Harris, they are instant title contenders. That is a rock solid team, headed by a top 10-15 MVP caliber level player.(votes count)

Even a modest jump by Ausar, and it becomes even more of a sure thing. Ivey continues his trajectory he started last season before dumbass takes him out, and hoo-boy are the Pistons a beast.

I believe the Pistons are extremely close to truly competing for a title, far closer then most realize.

Cade/LeVert
Ivey/Robinson
Ausar/Holland
PJ/Harris
Duren/Stewart

That is an insane mix of high end talent, athleticism, defensive prowess, passion, toughness, e.t.c.

If you want to argue that the team would still need more experience, I would agree to an extent. Most title teams need to go deeper, and deeper each year before they win. With that said, ill be damned if I agree that, that roster isn't deep, and talented. Now throw in the fact that the East is greatly weakened from last season, and I can absolutely see the Pistons playing in the finals next summer.

Love the confidence, and if the East projects the way we expect, I’m right there with you. A piece away from being serious.

Tobias is underwhelming as a starter, but a great guy to have as 6th-7th man. Having a guy like Cade alone should put us in the mix in a weak east, and gotta think at least one of the young guys take a step.

I’m totally drinking the Zeeb KoolAid!

I remember thinking to myself at the start of the year that Zeebneeb was talking way too confident in our team and lo and behold he was spot on. Im drinkin the Zeebneeb Kool-aid now as well hahahaha. Especially if we can get PJ!

[Piston Pete]

Sasser to Milwaukee for Tyler Smith and a 2nd please.

[NYPiston]

So if I say they are im incorrect, and if you say they are not, "its being real".

I heard a lot of that before the Pistons added Rasheed, and a ton when they did add him. Hell, I got into it with Pat Caputo on the radio back in the day about this exact topic.

I firmly believe, that if the Pistons added PJ Washington, without having to give up Harris, they are instant title contenders. That is a rock solid team, headed by a top 10-15 MVP caliber level player.(votes count)

Even a modest jump by Ausar, and it becomes even more of a sure thing. Ivey continues his trajectory he started last season before dumbass takes him out, and hoo-boy are the Pistons a beast.

I believe the Pistons are extremely close to truly competing for a title, far closer then most realize.

Cade/LeVert
Ivey/Robinson
Ausar/Holland
PJ/Harris
Duren/Stewart

That is an insane mix of high end talent, athleticism, defensive prowess, passion, toughness, e.t.c.

If you want to argue that the team would still need more experience, I would agree to an extent. Most title teams need to go deeper, and deeper each year before they win. With that said, ill be damned if I agree that, that roster isn't deep, and talented. Now throw in the fact that the East is greatly weakened from last season, and I can absolutely see the Pistons playing in the finals next summer.

Hey, I hope you're right but it's a massive massive jump from lower end playoff team to title contender, plus guys like Beasley and Schroder were hugely instrumental in their late season surge so we'll see if the new vets can fill those gaps. The gulf between the Pistons and the elite teams is pretty huge so it will take a big jump forward from a lot of the young guys to put the Pistons in that position.
I think a playoff series win or two would be a big success with a player like PJ Washington added to the 4 and I have a hard time believing he'll be available anyway since Dallas seems intent on competing now.

Either way, it's nice to be talking about a potential playoff team rather than Summer League being the main focus and wondering how the latest top 5 pick will look.

[bstein14]

JB typically keeps his rotations small.

I doubt we acquire anyone for the rest of the offseason who gets rotation minutes.

This feels like it.

I don't hate the flexibility of rolling into training camp with just 13 guys. That also gives young players incentive to come play here in training camp. There's still a FA or two I'd be happy to sign for vet min (assuming a guy like Horford won't come here for more).

[Kilo]

I think thisnl will be the team going into the season, at least the 10 man rotation.

The TPE will be a TDL asset to address a need if the Pistons are in the playoffs.

I think the PF rotation will be Harris backed up by Stewart in big line ups alongside Duren, or Thompson - who TL did mention was getting bigger this offseason.

We could see a step back this year to give the young'uns a crash course to develop, and to get a very good read to see what the Pistons have.

[zeebneeb]

So if I say they are im incorrect, and if you say they are not, "its being real".

I heard a lot of that before the Pistons added Rasheed, and a ton when they did add him. Hell, I got into it with Pat Caputo on the radio back in the day about this exact topic.

I firmly believe, that if the Pistons added PJ Washington, without having to give up Harris, they are instant title contenders. That is a rock solid team, headed by a top 10-15 MVP caliber level player.(votes count)

Even a modest jump by Ausar, and it becomes even more of a sure thing. Ivey continues his trajectory he started last season before dumbass takes him out, and hoo-boy are the Pistons a beast.

I believe the Pistons are extremely close to truly competing for a title, far closer then most realize.

Cade/LeVert
Ivey/Robinson
Ausar/Holland
PJ/Harris
Duren/Stewart

That is an insane mix of high end talent, athleticism, defensive prowess, passion, toughness, e.t.c.

If you want to argue that the team would still need more experience, I would agree to an extent. Most title teams need to go deeper, and deeper each year before they win. With that said, ill be damned if I agree that, that roster isn't deep, and talented. Now throw in the fact that the East is greatly weakened from last season, and I can absolutely see the Pistons playing in the finals next summer.

Hey, I hope you're right but it's a massive massive jump from lower end playoff team to title contender, plus guys like Beasley and Schroder were hugely instrumental in their late season surge so we'll see if the new vets can fill those gaps. The gulf between the Pistons and the elite teams is pretty huge so it will take a big jump forward from a lot of the young guys to put the Pistons in that position.
I think a playoff series win or two would be a big success with a player like PJ Washington added to the 4 and I have a hard time believing he'll be available anyway since Dallas seems intent on competing now.

Either way, it's nice to be talking about a potential playoff team rather than Summer League being the main focus and wondering how the latest top 5 pick will look.

I agree, it is a massive jump, no question, and it is a nice change of pace to be discussing this instead of next years lotto already.

The main reasons I am so confident if the Pistons add PJ are having Harris off the bench, wich would be a rock solid PF rotation immediately (position off weakness to one of strength overnight) and Boston, Indiana, Milwaukee, all crashing out. Even if they were all healthy and complete, I would still be confident on getting to the 2nd round, with a shot at advancing.

Another key piece of this, is Ivey. He was really blossoming, and if he becomes the Jwill to Cade, as Jwill is to SGA, well, yeah. The team is gonna be a beast, regardless of what happens.

Another possibility is Herb Jones, who I love, but he is more of a SF/PF, then a PF/SF. His defense is fantastic, and he absolutely can shoot the ball, albeit on lower volume.

I'm hoping Langdon doesn't pass on an upgrade. The team as is, is going to be better, with a better record then last year, but if he adds a legit starting PF, and the team can bring Harris off the bench, its gonna be an amazing season for everyone.

[Kalamazoo317]

Tobias is underwhelming as a starter, but a great guy to have as 6th-7th man.

Tobias was probably our best all-around player in the playoffs.

[mike06181]

Could they be counting on klintman and or bball paul to fill 5-10 ish minutes a game at pf?