MIL - SAC

bpcox05 · Post #1 » by **bpcox05** » Wed Jul 9, 2025 8:37 pm

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MIL GETS: DeMar DeRozan & 2026 CHA 2nd
MIL GIVES: Kyle Kuzma & 2031 MIL 1st (Unprotected)
WHY FOR MIL? The Bucks surrender a distant 1st round pick that has high volatility. However, they get some immediate help by bringing DeRozan who would really benefit playing with a a true/real #1 (Giannis) to take pressure off of him. He also has an elite defensive frontcourt next to him in Giannis & Turner to help cover his defensive deficiencies. The Bucks also get a likely early 2nd round draft pick in next years draft to hopeful land a young player that can contribute sooner for their championship aspirations (vs. the 2031 pick which will be past this timeline). I think this trade might make even more sense if the Bucks can bring in Paul & Beal. A starting lineup of Paul-Beal-DeRozan-Giannis-Turner is intriguing.

PG - Porter / Rollins
SG - Trent / Green / Harris
SF - DeRozan / Jackson
PF - Giannis / Prince / Smith
C - Turner / Portis

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SAC GETS: Kyle Kuzma & 2031 MIL 1st (Unprotected)
SAC GIVES: DeMar DeRozan & 2026 CHA 2nd
WHY FOR SAC? The Kings get another 1st round draft pick to add to their warchest and see if Kuzma can recoup some value with a change of scenery.

PG - Schroder / Monk / Carter
SG - LaVine / Ellis / Davis
SF - Murray / Clifford
PF - Kuzma / Raynaud / Saric
C - Sabonis / Eubanks / Jones

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Godaddycurse · Post #2 » by **Godaddycurse** » Wed Jul 9, 2025 8:46 pm

Bucks should only spend 2031 1st on someone who would improve their playoff success and thats not derozan.

ReggiesKnicks · Post #3 » by **ReggiesKnicks** » Wed Jul 9, 2025 8:49 pm

This is brutal for Milwaukee.

Denver traded a lesser value 1st in 2031 1st and swapped a worse contract in MPJ for a better player than DeRozan in Cam Johnson.

bpcox05 · Post #4 » by **bpcox05** » Wed Jul 9, 2025 8:58 pm

ReggiesKnicks wrote:This is brutal for Milwaukee.

Denver traded a lesser value 1st in 2031 1st and swapped a worse contract in MPJ for a better player than DeRozan in Cam Johnson.

Eh I'm pretty confident in saying I'd rather have Porter on my team over Kuzma...even when factoring in their contracts. Their advanced impact metrics are just night & day...

Porter Jr
VPM = 122nd
DPM = 75th
LEBRON = 164th
2Y RAPM = 110th
eRAPTOR = 113th
MAMBA = 52nd

Kuzma
VPM = 559th
DPM = 521st
LEBRON = 528th
2Y RAPM = 645th
eRAPTOR = 450th
MAMBA = 415th

JayMKE · Post #5 » by **JayMKE** » Wed Jul 9, 2025 9:22 pm

Bucks can’t give up that pick for Demar Derozan

nykballa2k4 · Post #6 » by **nykballa2k4** » Wed Jul 9, 2025 9:25 pm

bpcox05 wrote:
ReggiesKnicks wrote:This is brutal for Milwaukee.

Denver traded a lesser value 1st in 2031 1st and swapped a worse contract in MPJ for a better player than DeRozan in Cam Johnson.

Eh I'm pretty confident in saying I'd rather have Porter on my team over Kuzma...even when factoring in their contracts. Their advanced impact metrics are just night & day...

Porter Jr
VPM = 122nd
DPM = 75th
LEBRON = 164th
2Y RAPM = 110th
eRAPTOR = 113th
MAMBA = 52nd

Kuzma
VPM = 559th
DPM = 521st
LEBRON = 528th
2Y RAPM = 645th
eRAPTOR = 450th
MAMBA = 415th

Porter Jr to Cam was similar aged players.

This is a mid-career Kuzma for a end of career DeRozan. Not giving up the last of your trade chips for a player who is a minor upgrade this year and possible a downgrade or irrelevant player.
Totally see why Kings do it though...

JRoy · Post #7 » by **JRoy** » Wed Jul 9, 2025 9:34 pm

MIL really needs to land a keeper with that pick. It’s just about the only asset they have.

AussieBuck · Post #8 » by **AussieBuck** » Wed Jul 9, 2025 9:44 pm

Yeah we'll give up our last major chip for an old guy who was terrible in the playoffs even in his prime.

sackings916 · Post #9 » by **sackings916** » Wed Jul 9, 2025 9:58 pm

AussieBuck wrote:Yeah we'll give up our last major chip for an old guy who was terrible in the playoffs even in his prime.

22, 5 and 4 on about 42% in 60 game sample size for the playoffs. Not great but I wouldn’t say he’s been terrible.

AussieBuck · Post #10 » by **AussieBuck** » Wed Jul 9, 2025 10:00 pm

sackings916 wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:Yeah we'll give up our last major chip for an old guy who was terrible in the playoffs even in his prime.

22, 5 and 4 on about 42% in 60 game sample size for the playoffs. Not great but I wouldn’t say he’s been terrible.

He's been famously awful. This isn't news, it isn't controversial.

sackings916 · Post #11 » by **sackings916** » Wed Jul 9, 2025 10:21 pm

AussieBuck wrote:
sackings916 wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:Yeah we'll give up our last major chip for an old guy who was terrible in the playoffs even in his prime.

22, 5 and 4 on about 42% in 60 game sample size for the playoffs. Not great but I wouldn’t say he’s been terrible.

He's been famously awful. This isn't news, it isn't controversial.

What facts back this narrative up?

AussieBuck · Post #12 » by **AussieBuck** » Thu Jul 10, 2025 1:58 am

sackings916 wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:
sackings916 wrote:
22, 5 and 4 on about 42% in 60 game sample size for the playoffs. Not great but I wouldn’t say he’s been terrible.

He's been famously awful. This isn't news, it isn't controversial.

What facts back this narrative up?

All of them.

sackings916 · Post #13 » by **sackings916** » Thu Jul 10, 2025 2:18 am

AussieBuck wrote:
sackings916 wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:He's been famously awful. This isn't news, it isn't controversial.

What facts back this narrative up?

All of them.

Lol. What are they? I feel like people saw DeRozan/ the Raptors getting dominated by prime LeBron and an elite Cavs defense and said “dERoZans tERrIbLe!!!!”!!!! What makes him terrible?

BoogieTime · Post #14 » by **BoogieTime** » Thu Jul 10, 2025 2:20 am

Not getting a first

bdpecore · Post #15 » by **bdpecore** » Thu Jul 10, 2025 3:14 am

I would only make this trade if Ellis was also included in the deal. Bucks need more wing defenders more than another shot creator.

AussieBuck · Post #16 » by **AussieBuck** » Thu Jul 10, 2025 4:34 am

sackings916 wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:
sackings916 wrote:
What facts back this narrative up?

All of them.

Lol. What are they? I feel like people saw DeRozan/ the Raptors getting dominated by prime LeBron and an elite Cavs defense and said “dERoZans tERrIbLe!!!!”!!!! What makes him terrible?

I hope you are enjoying your first week as an NBA fan. You have the internet at your fingertips, good luck on your historical journey

sackings916 · Post #17 » by **sackings916** » Thu Jul 10, 2025 4:53 am

AussieBuck wrote:
sackings916 wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:All of them.

Lol. What are they? I feel like people saw DeRozan/ the Raptors getting dominated by prime LeBron and an elite Cavs defense and said “dERoZans tERrIbLe!!!!”!!!! What makes him terrible?

I hope you are enjoying your first week as an NBA fan. You have the internet at your fingertips, good luck on your historical journey

You made a claim and I asked you for evidence to support your claim. So far you have said nothing? What supports your claim that DeRozan has been terrible in the playoffs?

AussieBuck · Post #18 » by **AussieBuck** » Thu Jul 10, 2025 10:10 am

sackings916 wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:
sackings916 wrote:
Lol. What are they? I feel like people saw DeRozan/ the Raptors getting dominated by prime LeBron and an elite Cavs defense and said “dERoZans tERrIbLe!!!!”!!!! What makes him terrible?

I hope you are enjoying your first week as an NBA fan. You have the internet at your fingertips, good luck on your historical journey

You made a claim and I asked you for evidence to support your claim. So far you have said nothing? What supports your claim that DeRozan has been terrible in the playoffs?

I'm also claiming that the world isn't flat, I'll also offer no evidence for my claim for similar reasons.

sackings916 · Post #19 » by **sackings916** » Thu Jul 10, 2025 2:25 pm

AussieBuck wrote:
sackings916 wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:I hope you are enjoying your first week as an NBA fan. You have the internet at your fingertips, good luck on your historical journey

You made a claim and I asked you for evidence to support your claim. So far you have said nothing? What supports your claim that DeRozan has been terrible in the playoffs?

I'm also claiming that the world isn't flat, I'll also offer no evidence for my claim for similar reasons.

You’re dodging. If DeRozan being terrible is as obvious as the world being round, then you should have no problem backing it up with clear evidence. You’re just repeating a narrative without substance.

kobe_vs_jordan · Post #20 » by **kobe_vs_jordan** » Thu Jul 10, 2025 3:33 pm

sackings916 wrote:
AussieBuck wrote:
sackings916 wrote:
22, 5 and 4 on about 42% in 60 game sample size for the playoffs. Not great but I wouldn’t say he’s been terrible.

He's been famously awful. This isn't news, it isn't controversial.

What facts back this narrative up?

He has a 50% True shooting percentage in the playoffs. He's terrible.

Who Wins the Trade?