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[VanWest82]

A defensive better BBIQ Julius Randle would be my target ceiling for CMB which would be a crazy player. Julius is a tiny bit bigger & more explosive but no where near the passer/defensive prospect

Yeah, somewhere in between Julius and Draymond. For the life of me, I can't understand the lack of excitement for CMB. He's our best prospect since Chris Bosh imo. (Bargs was once a good prospect in theory but the difference here is Bargs was always theory whereas CMB is all production).

You like prospect CMB over Prospect Scottie ? Care to elaborate?

I was admittedly lower on prospect Scottie than most here but got on board quickly once he was drafted. I didn't love that he was a role player growing up and then suddenly he's trying to be the PG even though he didn't have a good handle and no real scoring bag.

CMB seems to know who he is, and I'd argue his path to becoming a two way scoring forward is more straight forward. He needs to learn to C&S and learn the league, and then it's over.

[Los_29]

Yeah, somewhere in between Julius and Draymond. For the life of me, I can't understand the lack of excitement for CMB. He's our best prospect since Chris Bosh imo. (Bargs was once a good prospect in theory but the difference here is Bargs was always theory whereas CMB is all production).

You like prospect CMB over Prospect Scottie ? Care to elaborate?

I was admittedly lower on prospect Scottie than most here but got on board quickly once he was drafted. I didn't love that he was a role player growing up and then suddenly he's trying to be the PG even though he didn't have a good handle and no real scoring bag.

CMB seems to know who he is, and I'd argue his path to becoming a two way scoring forward is more straight forward. He needs to learn to C&S and learn the league, and then it's over.

What makes me excited is CMB was a significantly better college player than Scottie. Whether that translates to the NBA, we’ll find out but still exciting nonetheless.

[Clutch0z24]

I'm surprised I haven't seen this question raised.

Do you all think CMB has a higher ceiling than Barnes? I read someone say he's the best prospect since CB4 which says a lot.

Tough to say....Will all depend on his offensive ability and if it translates to the NBA....Usually great defenders do not get their repects unless they also develop a pretty elite offensive bag as well.....CB4 Was able to play both sides of the ball really well and his offensive game was pretty elite...Also CB4 was basically 7 foot tall so its hard to say CMB will be better than Bosh...

I think him and Barnes are prolly pretty sim level prospects but i don't see them being better than Prime Bosh....Also hard to compare when we havn't seen CMB play a game yet against NBA comp....We have no idea yet how he will do in his rookie season...

[LoveMyRaps]

I'm surprised I haven't seen this question raised.

Do you all think CMB has a higher ceiling than Barnes? I read someone say he's the best prospect since CB4 which says a lot.

Easier to say Scottie now because he's actually proven himself.

But CMB put up better numbers in college and is a more intriguing rookie prospect.

[Thaddy]

CMB is going to end up being better than Barnes or on his level. I see him being elite defensively and a strong interior scorer. I feel they will be below average shooters and won't fit together. We'll need to eventually make a call on who we want to move forward with. Dick, Walter, and CMB are a good group of early 20s prospects to have. It gives us a farm we can sell if the right deal comes.

[dballislife]

scottie and cmb are both 240 and not easy to back down inside, one has 9 foot reach and other 8 foot 10 and both can switch 1 through 5 on d...imo they are big enough to play together and will be a nightmare on defense

and on offense if you surround them with the right scorers and shooters, everything should fit

[DreamTeam09]

I'm surprised I haven't seen this question raised.

Do you all think CMB has a higher ceiling than Barnes? I read someone say he's the best prospect since CB4 which says a lot.

Easier to say Scottie now because he's actually proven himself.

But CMB put up better numbers in college and is a more intriguing rookie prospect.

Scotties freshman yr was better than CMB freshman year

[Yallbecrazy]

I'm surprised I haven't seen this question raised.

Do you all think CMB has a higher ceiling than Barnes? I read someone say he's the best prospect since CB4 which says a lot.

Easier to say Scottie now because he's actually proven himself.

But CMB put up better numbers in college and is a more intriguing rookie prospect.

Scotties freshman yr was better than CMB freshman year

7.9 bpm for Scottie
10.3 for CMB

Scottie played guard so didn't get as many rebounds to inflate his BPM.

Definitely debatable.
Think CMB was 10 months younger as a freshman and 2 months older as a sophomore.

[OakleyDokely]

Freshman Year:

S Barnes: 24.8 MIN, 10.3 PPG, 4.0 REB, 4.1 AST, 1.5 STL, 0.5 BLK, .503 FG, .275 3PT, .621 FT, .548 TS, 23.7 USG, 7.9 BPM
M-Boyles: 22.8 MIN, 10.4 PPG, 5.7 REB, 1.8 AST, 1.0 STL, 1.0 BLK, .597 FG, .000 3PT, .667 FT, .615 TS, 22.3 USG, 10.3 BPM

You can understand why the Raptors probably had a top 5-6 grade on CMB. CMB was a more refined offensive player in college, but that's balanced out by the fact Barnes had the better physical profile.

[Duffman100]

Freshman Year:

S Barnes: 24.8 MIN, 10.3 PPG, 4.0 REB, 4.1 AST, 1.5 STL, 0.5 BLK, .503 FG, .275 3PT, .621 FT, .548 TS, 23.7 USG, 7.9 BPM
M-Boyles: 22.8 MIN, 10.4 PPG, 5.7 REB, 1.8 AST, 1.0 STL, 1.0 BLK, .597 FG, .000 3PT, .667 FT, .615 TS, 22.3 USG, 10.3 BPM

You can understand why the Raptors probably had a top 5-6 grade on CMB. CMB was a more refined offensive player in college, but that's balanced out by the fact Barnes had the better physical profile.

Assists to Barnes, efficiency to CMB.

[OakleyDokely]

Barnes was used like a G/F in college so naturally his assists will be higher and rebounds lower compared to CMB who was used at F/C.

CMB has more natural offensive technique, but Barnes is a bigger presence on the court, at both ends, probably due to his sheer size.

[StopitLeo]

I'm surprised I haven't seen this question raised.

Do you all think CMB has a higher ceiling than Barnes? I read someone say he's the best prospect since CB4 which says a lot.

Tough question. If we assume the defense will be comparable I think it might come down to scoring mentality for me. I don't think Scottie will ever have the scoring mentality to takeover a game because he has that pass-first instinct. If CMB can score effectively at the NBA level I would say that he has a higher ceiling, but it comes down to whether he can expand his offensive game (not even a 3pt shot but just adding a reliable mid-range jumper).

[tsherkin]

Yeah but to be fair Milsap only became an all star and a good player once he started shooting the ball better.....Before that he was a fringe starter....That is why CMBs game will be based on how that jumpshot improves over time.

To be fair, the main difference isn't the 3pt shooting, it's the change in usage which turned him into a 17 ppg player.

[-Blitz-]

I'm surprised I haven't seen this question raised.

Do you all think CMB has a higher ceiling than Barnes? I read someone say he's the best prospect since CB4 which says a lot.

Tough question. If we assume the defense will be comparable I think it might come down to scoring mentality for me. I don't think Scottie will ever have the scoring mentality to takeover a game because he has that pass-first instinct. If CMB can score effectively at the NBA level I would say that he has a higher ceiling, but it comes down to whether he can expand his offensive game (not even a 3pt shot but just adding a reliable mid-range jumper).

Honestly from what iv seen CMBs midrange looks very solid and he can even shoot it off the dribble. As soon as he gets near the 3pt line tho his shot mechanics get suspect.

I believe he can be a good face up triple threat scorer from the midrange/wing area kind of like how bosh was

[tsherkin]

Honestly from what iv seen CMBs midrange looks very solid and he can even shoot it off the dribble. As soon as he gets near the 3pt line tho his shot mechanics get suspect.

I believe he can be a good face up triple threat scorer from the midrange/wing area kind of like how bosh was

This is a nice situation for CMB in a way, because he has no real expectations on him right now. He's not going to start, we aren't going to lean on him to prop up the offense, he'll be facing a lot of bench lineups... so all he has to do is grind and show us what he's got. I'm starting to become hopeful that he'll have a pretty solid rookie campaign.

[dTox]

I can feel a Forderon type fight brewing between SB fans and CMB fans, based on this thread lol.

[niQ]

What's the closest comparison to have 2 bowling balls (CMB/SB) on the team and making it work?

[Nature]

What's the closest comparison to have 2 bowling balls (CMB/SB) on the team and making it work?

Lonny Baxter and Robert Archibald?

In all seriousness, I can't really think of any. Maybe Paul Millsap + Al Horford but they were much more offensively skilled than what Scottie & CMB project to be.

Our guys will be very hard to play together If neither of them can shoot the three.

[Nature]

I can feel a Forderon type fight brewing between SB fans and CMB fans, based on this thread lol.

Great problem to have.

[HumbleRen]

What's the closest comparison to have 2 bowling balls (CMB/SB) on the team and making it work?

Draymond and Iggy? lol. Closest thing that comes to mind.