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Post#581 » by RRyder823 » Thu Jul 10, 2025 4:55 am

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dedned wrote:Been watching 2021 finals videos. I have a feeling we're going to win it again this year. Giannis is getting that MVP too.
I have never bet on sports, but I was thinking about betting on that earlier today.

He's tied with Victor at 10-1. Ahead of him are Jokic 2-1, SGA 2.75-1 and Luka 6-1

Bucks wins O/U is 43.5, same as Boston.
43.5 seems like easy money on the over. Pretty much betting on Giannis not getting hurt most of the year

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Post#582 » by tedbrogen » Thu Jul 10, 2025 5:09 am

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Debit One wrote:Just say no to Middleton.

Back to the Future was a fun movie. It’s a bad team building plan.


Middleton making 30+ is obviously crazy at this point, but you are not going to do better than Midds on a vet min salary coming off the bench.


Has anyone even asked the question? Does Middleton even wanna come back to Milwaukee? Maybe he doesnt.


He’s still tight with GA. They were spending time together this summer. And he knows the fans would absolutely love him if he came back.
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Post#583 » by tedbrogen » Thu Jul 10, 2025 5:13 am

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GoldenAntlers wrote:I have never bet on sports, but I was thinking about betting on that earlier today.

He's tied with Victor at 10-1. Ahead of him are Jokic 2-1, SGA 2.75-1 and Luka 6-1

Bucks wins O/U is 43.5, same as Boston.
43.5 seems like easy money on the over. Pretty much betting on Giannis not getting hurt most of the year

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You’re more betting that Doc will move on quickly from starting Prince at SG and Kuz at SF. I assume he won’t unless management moves Kuz. I’ll take the under with the current roster knowing the current coach.
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Post#584 » by -Jragon- » Thu Jul 10, 2025 12:41 pm

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MickeyDavis wrote:He's tied with Victor at 10-1. Ahead of him are Jokic 2-1, SGA 2.75-1 and Luka 6-1

Bucks wins O/U is 43.5, same as Boston.
43.5 seems like easy money on the over. Pretty much betting on Giannis not getting hurt most of the year

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You’re more betting that Doc will move on quickly from starting Prince at SG and Kuz at SF. I assume he won’t unless management moves Kuz. I’ll take the under with the current roster knowing the current coach.



But you also are betting regular season Bobby. Most of these guys will be better in the regular season before the pace picks up. I think that's an easy bet for over. Why would we suddenly be a 7/8 seed in the East?
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Post#585 » by -Jragon- » Thu Jul 10, 2025 12:45 pm

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he literally was more efficient than portis was last year. again..
.a guy you cream over.

dont bring up blah blah blah this that from the past blah blah blah. last year.....kuzma ts% was better than portis....end of discussion..... except to say hes not great obviously...but he is playable.

kuzma has his thing and he does it. same with portis. they can get their shots. that gives them BOTH value on this team without jrue, khris, dame, etc. both of them can get their shots in their spots. we need shot creators. the only thing worse than not having shot makers is not even having shot creators. somebody on this team needs the ability to get the ball and....GO!

so if youre going to refuse to acknowledge the one while defending the other you lose credibility. kuzma does have value until we find somebody better. nobody is arguing we need to invest in the guy longterm. we all know thats nuts


I wish what y[b]ou said was true, but it is false.[/b] I gave you the stats a few days ago to show Portis is better than Kuzma and more efficient in almost every category, whether you are looking at last season or for their career.

But now you are zeroing in on just one stat, TS%. So let's look at that. I've already detailed all the other stats a few days ago.

Last season:

Kuzma 51.4%
Portis 54.2%

Of course, one stat is not the issue. Kuzma just isn't very good.


kuzma ts% with us was 54.5%
bobby ts% with us was 54.2%

their eFG% was both 52% on the nose.

those are the numbers that measure efficiency.

those numbers are all ive referenced and im not interested in discussing anything beyond THOSE numbers.

it is a FACT that kuzma was at least as efficent as bobby was last year as a Buck. its not debateable

my point is simply that they both had value despite their inefficiency. if youre going to counter the argument by talking about kuzmas inefficiency than apply it to your analysis of bobby as well



Let's not forget Bobby was a turnstyle on D... I am hoping the only reason we signed him was because "we could" use that money on him and it will be an asset to trade at the deadline instead of letting him walk and taking another vet min guy (which the vet mins are guard heavy also).
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Post#586 » by -Jragon- » Thu Jul 10, 2025 12:49 pm

drone3 wrote:If kuzma hits his corner 3s at a high rate and rebounds like Rodman he turns into an asset



This is right on.. if Kuz refuses to work on his catch/shoot 3's he'll be in Europe sooner than later. If he does, he'll be an asset around the league (or here) for several more years.
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Post#587 » by PG Graveyard » Thu Jul 10, 2025 12:53 pm

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dedned wrote:Been watching 2021 finals videos. I have a feeling we're going to win it again this year. Giannis is getting that MVP too.
I have never bet on sports, but I was thinking about betting on that earlier today.

He's tied with Victor at 10-1. Ahead of him are Jokic 2-1, SGA 2.75-1 and Luka 6-1

Bucks wins O/U is 43.5, same as Boston.


Assuming decent health I’m hammering that over in a very crappy east
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Post#588 » by raferfenix » Thu Jul 10, 2025 1:04 pm

tedbrogen wrote:You’re more betting that Doc will move on quickly from starting Prince at SG and Kuz at SF. I assume he won’t unless management moves Kuz. I’ll take the under with the current roster knowing the current coach.


This was one of the more confounding coaching decision in recent times.

Even in the 90's that pairing on the wing wouldn't have made sense. Both are power forwards masquerading as small forwards with absolutely no business at the guard spot.

It's fair to be concerned about Doc (and Horst for empowering him) if there aren't any learnings about this.

That said -- Horst pulling an Oceans Eleven heist on the Pacers to pick up Turner makes me think (or hope at least!) the team knows something bigger needed to change.
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Post#589 » by -Jragon- » Thu Jul 10, 2025 1:04 pm

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Debit One wrote:Just say no to Middleton.

Back to the Future was a fun movie. It’s a bad team building plan.


Middleton making 30+ is obviously crazy at this point, but you are not going to do better than Midds on a vet min salary coming off the bench.



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Post#590 » by JayMKE » Thu Jul 10, 2025 1:14 pm

People have some odd ideas about the players available, this team needs acquire talent and like right now for minimum cost. Some g league dude isn’t going to be more reliable because he’s 25, come on now
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Post#591 » by GHOSTofSIKMA » Thu Jul 10, 2025 2:33 pm

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I wish what y[b]ou said was true, but it is false.[/b] I gave you the stats a few days ago to show Portis is better than Kuzma and more efficient in almost every category, whether you are looking at last season or for their career.

But now you are zeroing in on just one stat, TS%. So let's look at that. I've already detailed all the other stats a few days ago.

Last season:

Kuzma 51.4%
Portis 54.2%

Of course, one stat is not the issue. Kuzma just isn't very good.


kuzma ts% with us was 54.5%
bobby ts% with us was 54.2%

their eFG% was both 52% on the nose.

those are the numbers that measure efficiency.

those numbers are all ive referenced and im not interested in discussing anything beyond THOSE numbers.

it is a FACT that kuzma was at least as efficent as bobby was last year as a Buck. its not debateable

my point is simply that they both had value despite their inefficiency. if youre going to counter the argument by talking about kuzmas inefficiency than apply it to your analysis of bobby as well



Let's not forget Bobby was a turnstyle on D... I am hoping the only reason we signed him was because "we could" use that money on him and it will be an asset to trade at the deadline instead of letting him walk and taking another vet min guy (which the vet mins are guard heavy also).


yep....kuzmas best position historically has been at the pf... sliding him into sf was a team need but not in his best interest. taking guys off the dribble in a faceup model and locking guys up....hed be alot better if his matchup was a dude his size.

so his defense could be better at the 3 but at least hes capable. if he was the fulltime backup in bobbys exact role and minutes it would be an interesting comparison on their impacts and perceptions. we know bobby cant slide into the 3 hole and hes too limited to be a fulltimer next to giannis at the 5. but hes allowed to play his little niche because of how limited hed be out of that niche

if you had to pick one to keep and pick one to trade there is a real argument it would be bobby going out if the money was the same. his biggest attribute imo is the culture he brings so id say it still needs to be kuzma moving eventually but as far as on court impact and versatility i think kuzma could make it close in the exact same roles. kuzma takes it on the chin largely because hes forced into a out of position starter role unlike bobby and i really think those years in washington trashed more than his numbers but his approach. he may have been perceived in a completely different way if he'd landed somewhere else after LAL. as ive stated i think we should give him a little more time to figure it out.

fwiw too.... the same could be said for prince for that matter. i think his best numbers were at the 4 as well. alot of the grief he gets here is for how violently piss poor we used him so far. his versatility and efficiency is completely forgotten the minute you put him at his worst position and use him as a starter
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Post#592 » by soxperry » Thu Jul 10, 2025 2:46 pm

Four or five months from now it's going to hit nba people over the head pretty hard that the Bucks somehow acquired kpj and Turner without having to spend any assets.
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Post#593 » by engelmartin » Thu Jul 10, 2025 2:49 pm

soxperry wrote:Four or five months from now it's going to hit nba people over the head pretty hard that the Bucks somehow acquired kpj and Turner without having to spend any assets.

Getting Portis and Trent to take discounts again was sweet too. Meanwhile Booker’s got no help and just made sure he won’t get any.
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Post#594 » by Bernman » Thu Jul 10, 2025 3:06 pm

Encapsuled in those paltry win projections for the Bucks is the media presenting it as a coin flip Giannis stays. If he leaves, the under is a good bet. If/when he plays 3/4 or more of Bucks' games, that projection is a joke. Given our superior inside knowledge, you should hammer that over.
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Post#597 » by emunney » Thu Jul 10, 2025 3:58 pm

Don't know what the Wizards are doing with Vukcevic, but seems like if they're open to a S&T, he'd be a nice new flavor to add to our frontcourt. Not since Hartenstein have I been so baffled by teams' seeming aversion to commit roster space to a quality young big.
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Post#599 » by jakecronus8 » Thu Jul 10, 2025 4:14 pm

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Post#600 » by ShootingtheJ » Thu Jul 10, 2025 4:15 pm

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BigO wrote:
I wish what y[b]ou said was true, but it is false.[/b] I gave you the stats a few days ago to show Portis is better than Kuzma and more efficient in almost every category, whether you are looking at last season or for their career.

But now you are zeroing in on just one stat, TS%. So let's look at that. I've already detailed all the other stats a few days ago.

Last season:

Kuzma 51.4%
Portis 54.2%

Of course, one stat is not the issue. Kuzma just isn't very good.


kuzma ts% with us was 54.5%
bobby ts% with us was 54.2%

their eFG% was both 52% on the nose.

those are the numbers that measure efficiency.

those numbers are all ive referenced and im not interested in discussing anything beyond THOSE numbers.

it is a FACT that kuzma was at least as efficent as bobby was last year as a Buck. its not debateable

my point is simply that they both had value despite their inefficiency. if youre going to counter the argument by talking about kuzmas inefficiency than apply it to your analysis of bobby as well



Let's not forget Bobby was a turnstyle on D... I am hoping the only reason we signed him was because "we could" use that money on him and it will be an asset to trade at the deadline instead of letting him walk and taking another vet min guy (which the vet mins are guard heavy also).



The Bucks were actually better defensively with Bobby on the floor than Brook.

We had 1 player who was a turnstile on D, and we cut him.

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