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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread 

Post#1861 » by Fierce1 » Thu Jul 10, 2025 6:40 am

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MaxwellSmart wrote:This CBA gonna be killing teams...and Those Super Max contracts...smh.

Very few can get the supermax.

Our 2 superstars got the supermax but that is not the norm.

Booker at $72M? That is $20m more than Tatum. And, suns and Celtics have the same rules.

That max deal is gonna end up killing the suns long term.


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Post#1862 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Thu Jul 10, 2025 6:52 am

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Post#1863 » by winsomme2 » Thu Jul 10, 2025 10:55 am

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I think you can fit another $30M guy on the roster. I think our current roster proves that. We're currently in position to be under the 2nd apron if we carried 14 guys instead of 15 and of our current 15 one is Tatum so we're kind of already doing the 14 man roster thing really. Simons at $27M basically is that $30M player.

Tatum - supermax
Brown - supermax
White - current extension
Simons - right about $30M
Hauser - $12M/year deal
Pritchard - $8M/year deal
Niang - $8M vet signing

Rest is rookie contracts and minimum signings.

I think our payroll structure is set up PERFECTLY for another $30M player to be an in-the-tax but below the 2nd apron team. That's where my expectation are for us to be during the rest of Tatum's prime, and be willing to go into the 2nd apron for a year or 2.

The issue right now is roster fit. Simons, as a scoring guard, simply isn't the right $30Mish player to have. Not when you have Pritchard as a similar archetype and then even some overlap with Hauser and your best rookie contract guys. I think our payroll structure is great right now, just need to swap some of them for similarly priced guys at different positions.


Ya, this is basically how I feel as well. If the budget is "right up to second apron" then all the Celtics really need to do to get back in the mix is

A) Get Tatum healthy and back to his pre-injury level.
B) Turn the Simons slot into a big man making 20-30 million.
C) Turn the Niang slot into a 8-to-10-million-dollar level rotation player.
D) Develop at least one of your young wings into a cheap rotation option.


If you can do that then you have a solid eight-man rotation that I'd put up against any team in the league. Between the ability to spin off Simons/Niang and/or use the KP TPE i think they should be able to do the above. It just won't be this year.


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B) Easier said than done. People are holding on to quality bigs for dear life right now. Losing 2 this offseason really hurts Hoping that at least 2 of the 3 of Garza, Neemi, and Amari show real potential as quality minutes bigs this year.
C) This is probably the easiest thing to accomplish. Niang is ALREADY an 8-10M rotation player and I think he will complement this roster well. We just lost our 2 best screeners on the team. Niang is a good screener. Don't think for a second that that doesn't matter.
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As for B, we are seeing how the price tag on big men is going through the roof. So one of the best ways now to add a big is to draft and develop them.

That's why I was disappointed that Brad didn't do more to either secure Fleming by trading up from 31 to 32 or staying at 32 and taking Kalk or Raynaud.

I know a lot of people are down on Kalk but I think he is going to be a solid big in this league.

Really hoping Amari turns into one of these draft steals...
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Post#1864 » by celtxman » Thu Jul 10, 2025 12:29 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:Vooch is like Simons, serves no purpose at all. Neither one will be on the Celtics in 2026/2027 and all they will do is help win games in a gap year when the Celtics don’t necessarily want to win. Need to move Simons and possibly a 1st round pick for someone you want to stick around in Boston the next 3-4 years. Simons and Vooch are not those players.

The new NBA trade market is pretty interesting. We all know Brian Windhorst reported the Celtics are shopping Simons, quite probably because of what Simons wants in his next contract. So let's say we trade for Vucevic straight up. Let's forget about on the court for a second. Who is easier to move in a trade by the trade deadline? A guy who wants to get paid, or a guy who has some skills at a position everyone is fighting for at the deadline?
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Post#1865 » by rambo_ortega » Thu Jul 10, 2025 12:32 pm

Let’s take a look at Kai Jones

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Post#1866 » by chrisab123 » Thu Jul 10, 2025 12:58 pm

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Bassey was fun to watch at WKU. His Rebounding would be nice to have.
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Post#1867 » by Hal14 » Thu Jul 10, 2025 1:09 pm

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Bassey was fun to watch at WKU. His Rebounding would be nice to have.

Interesting.

Thing is, we're at the maximum of 15 standard contract guys. And with 4 years in the league, he can't be on a 2-way. I figure we're just having a look at him, in case Tillman gets dumped in a trade - we'd then need another big and could sign Bassey..

Bassey is only 24..a bit younger than Tillman. If Tillman is gonna be as bad as he was last season, then I say we dump him somewhere in a trade and sign Bassey to that spot..

Bassey is a FA so mine as well work out with a team's SL squad for a few days, instead of sitting on the couch or working out by himself somewhere.
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Post#1868 » by Parliament10 » Thu Jul 10, 2025 1:59 pm

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Bassey was fun to watch at WKU. His Rebounding would be nice to have.

Interesting.

Thing is, we're at the maximum of 15 standard contract guys.

We can carry 21-players in the Offseason.
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Post#1869 » by Hal14 » Thu Jul 10, 2025 2:14 pm

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Bassey was fun to watch at WKU. His Rebounding would be nice to have.

Interesting.

Thing is, we're at the maximum of 15 standard contract guys.

We can carry 21-players in the Offseason.

I'm aware..

But the maximum is 15 during the reg season. I'm sure Bassey and his agent are talking to teams and trying to figure out where the best spot is for him.

He's already got 4 years of NBA experience under his belt. So he's probably not just looking for an exhibit 10 deal, which is all we can offer right now.

An exhibit 10 guy on a team that already has 15 guys signed to standard contracts is a long shot to make the team - especially when we also have Loften on the summer league team, another big who could compete for a last roster spot.

So he's probably looking to sign somewhere he has a better chance at making the 15 man roster and getting a standard contract. that would be a team that doesn't already have 15+ guys signed to standard contracts..as well as a team that doesn't already have 4 other bigs (5 including Niang as a small ball 5).

Which is why I said if we move Tillman, I could see us possibly signing Bassey.
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Post#1870 » by Parliament10 » Thu Jul 10, 2025 2:21 pm

Hal14 wrote:
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Hal14 wrote:Interesting.

Thing is, we're at the maximum of 15 standard contract guys.

We can carry 21-players in the Offseason.

I'm aware..

But the maximum is 15 during the reg season. I'm sure Bassey and his agent are talking to teams and trying to figure out where the best spot is for him.

He's already got 4 years of NBA experience under his belt. So he's probably not just looking for an exhibit 10 deal, which is all we can offer right now.

An exhibit 10 guy on a team that already has 15 guys signed to standard contracts is a long shot to make the team - especially when we also have Loften on the summer league team, another big who could compete for a last roster spot.

So he's probably looking to sign somewhere he has a better chance at making the 15 man roster and getting a standard contract. that would be a team that doesn't already have 15+ guys signed to standard contracts..as well as a team that doesn't already have 4 other bigs (5 including Niang as a small ball 5).

Which is why I said if we move Tillman, I could see us possibly signing Bassey.

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Post#1871 » by Curmudgeon » Thu Jul 10, 2025 3:27 pm

Like Tillman, Bassey has a bad knee. But Tillman really showed nothing last year, and blocks minutes for guys like Minot and Garza. So I'd have no trouble moving Tillman.

If they can't trade Simons, I'm guessing that Walsh, Davison and one of Hauser or Niang will also be gone, so there is room for Bassey if they want him.
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Post#1872 » by Hal14 » Thu Jul 10, 2025 3:48 pm

Good thing we didn't trade up for a top 20 pick so we could take this guy:

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Post#1873 » by winsomme2 » Thu Jul 10, 2025 4:01 pm

rambo_ortega wrote:Let’s take a look at Kai Jones

A young talented Big who can improve further if given significant minutes


I liked him coming out of college. Where did he end up?
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Post#1874 » by winsomme2 » Thu Jul 10, 2025 4:06 pm

Hal14 wrote:Good thing we didn't trade up for a top 20 pick so we could take this guy:

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I watched some of that game and he looked way overmatched.

Being able to beat your man off the dribble is such an important ability for PGs, SGs, and SFs.

It’s probably the most important thing I want to see from Hugo. I’m also curious about Max too.
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Post#1875 » by djFan71 » Thu Jul 10, 2025 4:10 pm

Hal14 wrote:Good thing we didn't trade up for a top 20 pick so we could take this guy:

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Post#1876 » by Hal14 » Thu Jul 10, 2025 4:13 pm

djFan71 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:Good thing we didn't trade up for a top 20 pick so we could take this guy:

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Sorry, I have to:

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He had issues with his handle and getting by his man in college too :)
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Post#1877 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Thu Jul 10, 2025 4:25 pm

Miami generally drafts well, so I'm withholding judgement. It's difficult to write off a player so soon, but there are exceptions. First time I saw Pitino draftee Jerome Moiso play for the Celts, I was like, OMG, this guy is a complete stiff! Sometimes, you just know immediately...
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Post#1878 » by bucknersrevenge » Thu Jul 10, 2025 4:29 pm

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Sorry, I have to:

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He had issues with his handle and getting by his man in college too :)


That said I didn't see one proper screen there. You're right about not having elite quickness off the bounce but in a better setting than this, they could use what he does do well better. He is a PnR guard. Sticking him in the corner won't do much for him but it's one game. I'm sure he'll be better in the next one.
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Post#1879 » by Hal14 » Thu Jul 10, 2025 4:42 pm

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He had issues with his handle and getting by his man in college too :)


That said I didn't see one proper screen there. You're right about not having elite quickness off the bounce but in a better setting than this, they could use what he does do well better. He is a PnR guard. Sticking him in the corner won't do much for him but it's one game. I'm sure he'll be better in the next one.

He's not in the corner in those clips. He's just bringing the ball up the floor - if he can't do that, I don't know how he can play PG in the NBA.

His numbers are really bad across all 3 summer league games miami has had so far so it's not just 1 game.

Summer league numbers don't mean a whole lot, but the issues with handle, turnovers and getting by his man were prevalent throughout the season at Illinois - especially 2nd half of season when the schedule got tougher.

He might get better, but it's not looking good so far..
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Post#1880 » by djFan71 » Thu Jul 10, 2025 4:44 pm

Kuz variation where we send him back to LAL

BOS: Vanderbilt, SloMo for Simons, Niang
MIL: Simons and Niang for Kuz, 2nds*
LAL: Kuz, 2nd for Vanderbilt, Vincent and Knecht
UTA: Vincent, Knecht, 2nd for SloMo

* MIL acquires a few from WAS in a separate 1st round pick swap deal from T&T board.

BOS saves $15M and gets two usable frontcourt additions. Both tradeable salary next summer as well. SloMo non-guaranteed for 26-27, so perfect salary ballast if needed, or let him walk if not.

Get us under 1st apron, $5.2M above luxury tax. Only $2.9M above if you go with 14 and don't keep JD. Very workable by the deadline to drop under completely.

For the other teams:
- MIL gets scoring and another solid rotation guy for a guy they don't want
- LAL buys low on Kuz, gets a 2nd, save $4.6M this year, gets off Vanderbilt's future $.
- UTA gets Knecht & a 2nd for taking on $2M more in salary (beyond Knecht) this year

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