2025 Offseason Thread Vol.5

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The Bulls GM is Lithuanian. Wonder if Kaspar for Giddey could be discussed.

Would gladly include Kaspar to get it done, if we did this we’d be committing to Giddey as the PG of the future anyways

[3ammy3uck3ts]

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/most-playoff-wins-in-last-5-years

That’s alot of Jimmy (thanks Wade), Bam which was a great draft pick, and Spo. Should’ve tried to maximize the window instead of sitting on their hands being delusional in undrafted guys and Tyler. Only team in the top 6 there without a championship in the 2020s, I know you don’t think they did everything they could to win it all.

We have a top four organization in the league (period). Who are the Heat without Wade? Question could also be, who is Wade without the Heat? Who is Butler without the Heat. Who was LeBron without the Heat. So on and so forth….

You can’t go ”all in” all the time… there just ain’t enough assets to have that type of control to go all in all the time.

We had a couple picks here and there and Herro who wasn’t contributing to our runs to use to get something done, you don’t just sit on your hands when you’re that close and you definitely don’t come back with a worse roster each time you make a deep run like we did. The Riley of old wouldn’t have done that

[MettaWorldPanda]

The Bulls GM is Lithuanian. Wonder if Kaspar for Giddey could be discussed.

Would gladly include Kaspar to get it done, if we did this we’d be committing to Giddey as the PG of the future anyways

Exactly. Which makes all the sense to deal Kaspar for Giddey. We would have our PG position locked up between Giddey and Mitchell for a long while.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The Bulls GM is Lithuanian. Wonder if Kaspar for Giddey could be discussed.

Would gladly include Kaspar to get it done, if we did this we’d be committing to Giddey as the PG of the future anyways

Exactly. Which makes all the sense to deal Kaspar for Giddey. We would have our PG position locked up between Giddey and Mitchell for a long while.

Unfortunately I doubt this is even on our radar

[carnageta]

6'8" tall Josh Giddy?

Spo's found the PF next to Bam that hes been searching for!

[MiamiLoyal926]

That’s alot of Jimmy (thanks Wade), Bam which was a great draft pick, and Spo. Should’ve tried to maximize the window instead of sitting on their hands being delusional in undrafted guys and Tyler. Only team in the top 6 there without a championship in the 2020s, I know you don’t think they did everything they could to win it all.

We have a top four organization in the league (period). Who are the Heat without Wade? Question could also be, who is Wade without the Heat? Who is Butler without the Heat. Who was LeBron without the Heat. So on and so forth….

You can’t go ”all in” all the time… there just ain’t enough assets to have that type of control to go all in all the time.

We had a couple picks here and there and Herro who wasn’t contributing to our runs to use to get something done, you don’t just sit on your hands when you’re that close and you definitely don’t come back with a worse roster each time you make a deep run like we did. The Riley of old wouldn’t have done that

Or you go all in like the Suns and end up screwing up your future for many years to come all for old has-beens…

We never had enough assets to go in on young stars, and we’re expected to overpay for old stars and practically has-beens. That’s a formula based on instant gratification, without foresight.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Would gladly include Kaspar to get it done, if we did this we’d be committing to Giddey as the PG of the future anyways

Exactly. Which makes all the sense to deal Kaspar for Giddey. We would have our PG position locked up between Giddey and Mitchell for a long while.

Unfortunately I doubt this is even on our radar

Sadly you are probably correct. It’s Point Herro Szn in here

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We have a top four organization in the league (period). Who are the Heat without Wade? Question could also be, who is Wade without the Heat? Who is Butler without the Heat. Who was LeBron without the Heat. So on and so forth….

You can’t go ”all in” all the time… there just ain’t enough assets to have that type of control to go all in all the time.

We had a couple picks here and there and Herro who wasn’t contributing to our runs to use to get something done, you don’t just sit on your hands when you’re that close and you definitely don’t come back with a worse roster each time you make a deep run like we did. The Riley of old wouldn’t have done that

Or you go all in like the Suns and end up screwing up your future for many years to come all for old has-beens…

We never had enough assets to go in on young stars, and we’re expected to overpay for old stars and practically has-beens. That’s a formula based on instant gratification, without foresight.

Or if they were still as good as some of you think they’d be able to pinpoint the right players to put them over the top and fit well as opposed to letting someone with no experience empty his pockets to add 3 players in KD Beal and Booker who all want to do the exact same thing. I would’ve gladly given Herro for Kyrie for example and I definitely wouldn’t have made Lowry unavailable for Kyrie as he would’ve been exactly what Bam/Jimmy needed next to them and the going price was low (just not as low as we offered).

[MettaWorldPanda]

Read on Twitter

Took us to the woodshed this season

[MiamiLoyal926]

We had a couple picks here and there and Herro who wasn’t contributing to our runs to use to get something done, you don’t just sit on your hands when you’re that close and you definitely don’t come back with a worse roster each time you make a deep run like we did. The Riley of old wouldn’t have done that

Or you go all in like the Suns and end up screwing up your future for many years to come all for old has-beens…

We never had enough assets to go in on young stars, and we’re expected to overpay for old stars and practically has-beens. That’s a formula based on instant gratification, without foresight.

Or if they were still as good as some of you think they’d be able to pinpoint the right players to put them over the top and fit well as opposed to letting someone with no experience empty his pockets to add 3 players in KD Beal and Booker who all want to do the exact same thing. I would’ve gladly given Herro for Kyrie for example and I definitely wouldn’t have made Lowry unavailable for Kyrie as he would’ve been exactly what Bam/Jimmy needed next to them and the going price was low (just not as low as we offered).

There is not a perfect, error free front office, and as good as they are, they all will make mistakes. You constantly confuse and assume we all argue in extremes like you. Yes, they could have made moves like Kyrie to make use better, but they did not. We all can speculate why he ended up on the Mavs instead of the Heat, but at the end of the day, we really do not know if it was poor decision making on our end, or the other team just really wanting another package. At the end of the day, I have enjoyed being a Heat fan for the last 5, 10, 15, and 30 years and we have had a pretty good and competitive product for the majority of that time. Slow and steady is also a good strategy. There is humanity of those in charge… are we really going to sit here and complain as if we have been the Magic of the last decade?

[Enso]

Read on Twitter

Took us to the woodshed this season

Crazy that we have bam and this guy went off that hard against at us.

[MettaWorldPanda]

Read on Twitter

Took us to the woodshed this season

Crazy that we have bam and this guy went off that hard against at us.

Spo put Bam on Giddey for the play in game and slowed him down for us to get the win. Still went 25 10 4

[Voltron914]

The Bulls GM is Lithuanian. Wonder if Kaspar for Giddey could be discussed.

Would gladly include Kaspar to get it done, if we did this we’d be committing to Giddey as the PG of the future anyways

Exactly. Which makes all the sense to deal Kaspar for Giddey. We would have our PG position locked up between Giddey and Mitchell for a long while.

Oh wow would a sign and trade with Wiggins work in that scenerio? Do we have any connections with Giddey to even make that kind of meeting? That would be a solid move for our future

[greg4012]

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/most-playoff-wins-in-last-5-years

Yep. It is funny seeing how fans will downplay this, I think a lot of it stems from fans that came over during the big 3 years and see it as a birthright to win it every season. Its unfortunate we came up short the last two finals trips, but one thing for certain is if you look at the track record HEAT as an organization has consistently been pretty damn good and its a credit to the ecosystem they’ve built.

It's wild how rare it is in Miami Heat dialogue to see recognition of the reality that Miami has been in a pseudo sustainable all-in posture since the Big 3 era. The sign-and-trades for LeBron and Bosh and ancillary moves during the Big 3 era required sending away future draft assets and youth. The post-LeBron attempts to keep contending saw continued efforts to send away future draft capital (Dragic), but were derailed by the sort of unmanageable "act-of-God" that should typically be grounds for nullifying a contract (or at least not having it count on the books). Miami lost Bosh right when they were pivoting to a build around Bosh and Wade and Dragic, and were still on the hook for his max contract for multiple seasons without any on-court impact to show for it. I assume Miami couldn't really go full tank mode bc Miami had just traded 2 future FRPs for Dragic, so they were stuck in a recovery loop. Then Miami got Jimmy and it was back to NOW mode, still with very limited future draft capital.

Miami's orientation post-Jimmy towards cleaning the books for a new-ish slate/build right around 2026 offseason is the reset back to neutral+ that Miami has avoided for a long time. But, it wasn't something that Miami was in a rush to do while still having Jimmy in the fold. There are plenty of criticisms to make regarding moves along the way. And it's obviously a lot less gratifying to always operate with the perspective of what it cost to achieve success and contention when the only thing that matters for fans is the present and what's next.

But, I definitely value keeping perspective of the greater context in all of this.

[Hallstar]

Read on Twitter

[MiamiLoyal926]

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/most-playoff-wins-in-last-5-years

Yep. It is funny seeing how fans will downplay this, I think a lot of it stems from fans that came over during the big 3 years and see it as a birthright to win it every season. Its unfortunate we came up short the last two finals trips, but one thing for certain is if you look at the track record HEAT as an organization has consistently been pretty damn good and its a credit to the ecosystem they’ve built.

It's wild how rare it is in Miami Heat dialogue to see recognition of the reality that Miami has been in a pseudo sustainable all-in posture since the Big 3 era. The sign-and-trades for LeBron and Bosh and ancillary moves during the Big 3 era required sending away future draft assets and youth. The post-LeBron attempts to keep contending saw continued efforts to send away future draft capital (Dragic), but were derailed by the sort of unmanageable "act-of-God" that should typically be grounds for nullifying a contract (or at least not having it count on the books). Miami lost Bosh right when they were pivoting to a build around Bosh and Wade and Dragic, and were still on the hook for his max contract for multiple seasons without any on-court impact to show for it. I assume Miami couldn't really go full tank mode bc Miami had just traded 2 future FRPs for Dragic, so they were stuck in a recovery loop. Then Miami got Jimmy and it was back to NOW mode, still with very limited future draft capital.

Miami's orientation post-Jimmy towards cleaning the books for a new-ish slate/build right around 2026 offseason is the reset back to neutral+ that Miami has avoided for a long time. But, it wasn't something that Miami was in a rush to do while still having Jimmy in the fold. There are plenty of criticisms to make regarding moves along the way. And it's obviously a lot less gratifying to always operate with the perspective of what it cost to achieve success and contention when the only thing that matters for fans is the present and what's next.

But, I definitely value keeping perspective of the greater context in all of this.

All of this… 100% nailed it!!!

[MiamiLoyal926]

OKC’s books getting sloppy real quick!!! All of this just started the clock for them before they will be forced to move off of some of these deals.

[DayofMourning]

Read on Twitter

$882 mil!!

Wowow.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Or you go all in like the Suns and end up screwing up your future for many years to come all for old has-beens…

We never had enough assets to go in on young stars, and we’re expected to overpay for old stars and practically has-beens. That’s a formula based on instant gratification, without foresight.

Or if they were still as good as some of you think they’d be able to pinpoint the right players to put them over the top and fit well as opposed to letting someone with no experience empty his pockets to add 3 players in KD Beal and Booker who all want to do the exact same thing. I would’ve gladly given Herro for Kyrie for example and I definitely wouldn’t have made Lowry unavailable for Kyrie as he would’ve been exactly what Bam/Jimmy needed next to them and the going price was low (just not as low as we offered).

There is not a perfect, error free front office, and as good as they are, they all will make mistakes. You constantly confuse and assume we all argue in extremes like you. Yes, they could have made moves like Kyrie to make use better, but they did not. We all can speculate why he ended up on the Mavs instead of the Heat, but at the end of the day, we really do not know if it was poor decision making on our end, or the other team just really wanting another package. At the end of the day, I have enjoyed being a Heat fan for the last 5, 10, 15, and 30 years and we have had a pretty good and competitive product for the majority of that time. Slow and steady is also a good strategy. There is humanity of those in charge… are we really going to sit here and complain as if we have been the Magic of the last decade?

So we agree they didn’t do everything they could to win during the Jimmy era and it’s valid criticism to say so and that in the past, they likely would have. Hence some of the “Riley is washed” commentary you’ll see on here and other places saying the front office isn’t what they used to be. Fair enough.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Read on Twitter

$882 mil!!

Wowow.

Winning pays! Some may be viewed as an overpay, especially chet with how bad he was and injury prone he is early on but if they’re going to continue to compete year after year it’s hard to complain if you’re an OKC fan. Probably makes it much less harder to swallow considering they already got 1 last year.