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[ReddRum]

I think these other GM's know Horst is desperate to move Kuzma to get that 3rd piece of our big 3 to keep Giannis happy. The writing is on the wall for at least one 1st to be outgoing imo...

[MickeyDavis]

Barrett, no. I don't want a shooting guard who can't shoot.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I think these other GM's know Horst is desperate to move Kuzma to get that 3rd piece of our big 3 to keep Giannis happy. The writing is on the wall for at least one 1st to be outgoing imo...

were being dumb if we attach a first. i could be convinced of a swap considering its toronto. a swap with toronto who cares. but an actual first for barrett....im not even sure hes better than kuzma would be fit wise

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

for those lakers games highlights the key is to monitor the score part of the highlights

[ReddRum]

I think these other GM's know Horst is desperate to move Kuzma to get that 3rd piece of our big 3 to keep Giannis happy. The writing is on the wall for at least one 1st to be outgoing imo...

were being dumb if we attach a first. i could be convinced of a swap considering its toronto. a swap with toronto who cares. but an actual first for barrett....im not even sure hes better than kuzma would be fit wise

I'm just preparing myself for a trade with one 1st (not saying it will be Barrett) but I just have a feeling thats what will happen. If its a guy like Trey Murphy then 2 + obviously but of the players that Horst has been rumored to be looking at it one 1st just seems to be the mean.

[Badgerlander]

Toronto wants Monk because he is a better player than Barrett, just like this board wants Barrett over Kuz. If we did trade for Barrett I would start Trent over him because he is a better player. I’m not giving ip a first for any of these guys. Take another swing on a vet minimum guy instead of these overpaid guys that have already proven they are so mediocre that their current team wants to dump them to give anyone else on their team a shot at minutes

[mademan]

Toronto wants Monk because he is a better player than Barrett, just like this board wants Barrett over Kuz. If we did trade for Barrett I would start Trent over him because he is a better player. I’m not giving ip a first for any of these guys. Take another swing on a vet minimum guy instead of these overpaid guys that have already proven they are so mediocre that their current team wants to dump them to give anyone else on their team a shot at minutes

There's no evidence to show Monk is better. Toronto wants to move RJ because of a guard/wing glut and him being the odd man out. Adding in Monk's money that runs a year longer doesnt solve anything but gift a better player to Milwaukee for no reason

[soxperry]

We can take back the following total salary given the players included:

Kuzma: 28m
Kuzma/Andre: 30.75
Kuzma/Andre/Smith: 33.19

It appears as though you're using a simplified application of Article VII Section 6(j)(1)(iv)(z): "one hundred twenty-five percent (125%) of the aggregated pre-trade Salaries of the Traded Player(s), plus $250,000." Note that there are other aspects of Article VII Section 6(j)(1)(iv).

Reposting from a previous post:

That's a general simplification. If you look at Article VII Section 6(j)(1)(iv) of the CBA, the reality is a bit more complex. There are three different numbers that get calculated, and then which one applies is dependent on how they compare to each other.

The three numbers:

1) Article VII Section 6(j)(1)(iv)(y)(A): two hundred percent (200%) of the aggregated pre-trade Salaries of the Traded Player(s), plus $250,000.

2) Article VII Section 6(j)(1)(iv)(y)(B): one hundred percent (100%) of the aggregated pre-trade Salaries of the Traded Player(s), plus an amount equal to $7.5 million multiplied by a fraction, the numerator of which is the Salary Cap for the then-current Salary Cap Year and the denominator of which is the Salary Cap for the 2023-24 Salary Cap Year.

3) Article VII Section 6(j)(1)(iv)(z): one hundred twenty-five percent (125%) of the aggregated pre-trade Salaries of the Traded Player(s), plus $250,000.

Then, you determine Article VII Section 6(j)(1)(iv)(y) as the lesser of Article VII Section 6(j)(1)(iv)(y)(A) and Article VII Section 6(j)(1)(iv)(y)(B). From there, you determine Article VII Section 6(j)(1)(iv) as the greater of Article VII Section 6(j)(1)(iv)(y) and Article VII Section 6(j)(1)(iv)(z).

In a trade that sends out just Kuzma (from an outgoing salary perspective), the relevant number actually ends up being Article VII Section 6(j)(1)(iv)(y)(B), based on his $22,410,605.00 cap number (per Spotrac), resulting in an Article VII Section 6(j)(1)(iv) number of $30,937,615.54.

Lol thanks for the info..

next time just ask chatgpt to give you a concise version of the same info and theres a chance more people will read it

[raferfenix]

There's no evidence to show Monk is better. Toronto wants to move RJ because of a guard/wing glut and him being the odd man out. Adding in Monk's money that runs a year longer doesnt solve anything but gift a better player to Milwaukee for no reason

Hey there, are you a Raptors fan? Appreciate the perspective direct from Toronto if so!

If the Raptors don't really want Monk then of course no way you'd want that extra year.

You think Toronto would prefer Kuzma (with his shorter and descending deal) to Monk assuming any other assets included would be the same?

[mademan]

There's no evidence to show Monk is better. Toronto wants to move RJ because of a guard/wing glut and him being the odd man out. Adding in Monk's money that runs a year longer doesnt solve anything but gift a better player to Milwaukee for no reason

Hey there, are you a Raptors fan? Appreciate the perspective direct from Toronto if so!

If the Raptors don't really want Monk then of course no way you'd want that extra year.

You think Toronto would prefer Kuzma (with his shorter and descending deal) to Monk assuming any other assets included would be the same?

I think in order, it's Kuz+1st (milwaukee wouldnt do it) > Kuz (Raps wouldnt do it) >>>Monk. I see no evidence of Monk being better than RJ, he gets in the way of developing our guards like RJ does and his deal runs an extra year longer, which is just counter productive.

I wouldnt be shocked if the Raps ended up accepting a Kuz deal straight up (financial win) or if Milwaukee added a 1st (desperation), even if i think neither team should do those deals.

[Ron Swanson]

Barrett played more at the 4 last season than he did at SG, so I'm not seeing any positional redundancy issues there. Also, I'm sure most non-Bucks fans would chuckle at the thought of us all talking ourselves into a guy who's a month older than Barrett (Porter Jr.) having all this "untapped potential" still. Personally, just give me as many talented, distressed asset dudes as you can without dipping into the 2026 asset pool. You know who was also a proven mediocre commodity right before his age-25 season and a change of scenery? Lauri Markannan.

[soxperry]

Barrett played more at the 4 last season than he did at SG, so I'm not seeing any positional redundancy issues there. Also, I'm sure most non-Bucks fans would chuckle at the thought of us all talking ourselves into a guy who's a month older than Barrett (Porter Jr.) having all this "untapped potential" still. Personally, just give me as many talented, distressed asset dudes as you can without dipping into the 2026 asset pool. You know who was also a proven mediocre commodity right before his age-25 season and a change of scenery? Lauri Markannan.

Kpj had an obvious interruption in his development which left the door open for hidden potential. Barrett has been playing the entire time. Kpj is also supremely athletic while Barrett is a minus in that category.

Lauri had a leap that came out of nowhere but if you think Barrett can do the same, hes just as likely to do it as any other player. Its very rare.

Feels like the Tom Brady argument when a homer nfl fan wants to make the case for their late round qb pick

That said, it the price us Kuzma thats an obvious win.

[Badgerlander]

Toronto wants Monk because he is a better player than Barrett, just like this board wants Barrett over Kuz. If we did trade for Barrett I would start Trent over him because he is a better player. I’m not giving ip a first for any of these guys. Take another swing on a vet minimum guy instead of these overpaid guys that have already proven they are so mediocre that their current team wants to dump them to give anyone else on their team a shot at minutes

There's no evidence to show Monk is better. Toronto wants to move RJ because of a guard/wing glut and him being the odd man out. Adding in Monk's money that runs a year longer doesnt solve anything but gift a better player to Milwaukee for no reason

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/ball-handler?SeasonType=Regular%20Season&dir=D&sort=TEAM_ABBREVIATION

pnr ballhandler
Monk 0.90ppp 62.5 percentile
Barrett 0.86ppp 50.8 percentile
Trent 1.01ppp 84.3 percentile

Iso
Monk 0.91ppp 56.5 percentile
Barrett 0.86ppp 43.7 percentile
Trent 0.93ppp 61.5 percentile

[yb90]

Barrett, no. I don't want a shooting guard who can't shoot.

No worries because he would play the 3. Lol.

[Profound23]

Too bad we can't just apply more of Dame's salary to this year rather than discuss trading for a marginal player.

[soxperry]

Barrett, no. I don't want a shooting guard who can't shoot.

No worries because he would play the 3. Lol.

True its just that if he's playing w Giannis he needs to be able to hit open 3s. And i worry about his defense.. we just got rid of our cement feet and hes another of those it seems..

[BigO]

I can see Horst trying to lure Chris Paul here, although that is underwhelming. But these other proposals suck and the only saving grace to any of them is that they entail geting rid of Kuzma.

[RiotPunch]

Just talk Dumars into a Zion/RJ reunion!

MKE: Trey Murphy III
TOR: Kuzma, 2nd
NOP: Barrett, MKE '31 1st, MKE '32 swap

[Badgerlander]

I would cut Kuz and sign lonnie walker before I’d give up a first for rj barrett

[Badgerlander]

Barrett, no. I don't want a shooting guard who can't shoot.

No worries because he would play the 3. Lol.

True its just that if he's playing w Giannis he needs to be able to hit open 3s. And i worry about his defense.. we just got rid of our cement feet and hes another of those it seems..

If we just need a guy that can hit open 3s at SF then play Prince there, don’t give up a first for a guy that shot 35% from 3 on a bad team