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[Gianstoppable]

Feels like Wiggins would be a good fit. Adding Wiggins and CP3 would make me feel pretty good about this season. RJ is a good player but I think the board is fixated on him a bit much right now

[M-C-G]

No worries because he would play the 3. Lol.

True its just that if he's playing w Giannis he needs to be able to hit open 3s. And i worry about his defense.. we just got rid of our cement feet and hes another of those it seems..

If we just need a guy that can hit open 3s at SF then play Prince there, don’t give up a first for a guy that shot 35% from 3 on a bad team

I’m not advocating for RJ, but shooting 35% on a bad team in what I believe was a high usage role, lends me to think he would be more efficient here, like most players (Beasley, Trent, Prince, Snell?, Wes, Javon Carter, George Hill, maybe others all though I’m sure those are reasonably debatable) have been playing with Giannis. There is legit a Giannis effect (affect?) that gives us an opportunity to get more out of guys. But overall I get and mostly agree with you, just that I expect a jump in efficiency with guys that get here.

[M-C-G]

Feels like Wiggins would be a good fit. Adding Wiggins and CP3 would make me feel pretty good about this season. RJ is a good player but I think the board is fixated on him a bit much right now

I tend to agree, which is odd given my disdain for Paul. With the caveat he HAS to come off the bench for it to make sense.

[jakecronus8]

OKC facing a tax bill of $180 million. Any way we can help them?

[Badgerlander]

True its just that if he's playing w Giannis he needs to be able to hit open 3s. And i worry about his defense.. we just got rid of our cement feet and hes another of those it seems..

If we just need a guy that can hit open 3s at SF then play Prince there, don’t give up a first for a guy that shot 35% from 3 on a bad team

I’m not advocating for RJ, but shooting 35% on a bad team in what I believe was a high usage role, lends me to think he would be more efficient here, like most players (Beasley, Trent, Prince, Snell?, Wes, Javon Carter, George Hill, maybe others all though I’m sure those are reasonably debatable) have been playing with Giannis. There is legit a Giannis effect (affect?) that gives us an opportunity to get more out of guys. But overall I get and mostly agree with you, just that I expect a jump in efficiency with guys that get here.

But why not add a good shooter and watch him bump to greatness around Giannis

[M-C-G]

If we just need a guy that can hit open 3s at SF then play Prince there, don’t give up a first for a guy that shot 35% from 3 on a bad team

I’m not advocating for RJ, but shooting 35% on a bad team in what I believe was a high usage role, lends me to think he would be more efficient here, like most players (Beasley, Trent, Prince, Snell?, Wes, Javon Carter, George Hill, maybe others all though I’m sure those are reasonably debatable) have been playing with Giannis. There is legit a Giannis effect (affect?) that gives us an opportunity to get more out of guys. But overall I get and mostly agree with you, just that I expect a jump in efficiency with guys that get here.

But why not add a good shooter and watch him bump to greatness around Giannis

I’m not advocating for RJ, I honestly just want to get a young piece to grow with this team. I actually don’t really know who would be best, I just see the gap at SF and want to ‘buy low’ on filling that spot IF we are sending out whatever assets we have left. Would you see IQ playing point and shifting KPJ to SG or keeping him on the second unit?

[PG Graveyard]

I'm intrigued by IQ as well and a weird all guards and Giannis lineup, but why would Toronto trade him for Kuz. That makes no sense. They would need to find another guard somewhere.

Didn't realize IQ was 26 already. He seems younger. Is he still a good defender? I don't hate the idea of KPJ insurance if he meltdowns.

[htr]

Patrick Williams (23 yo) for Kuzma works in checker. Who says no?

[M-C-G]

Patrick Williams (23 yo) for Kuzma works in checker. Who says no?

I really liked him coming into the league BUT I recall there were rumors he completely checked out after getting paid. But there might be a deal to be made there, however we would need to be compensated for the $ they are getting out of

[DingusBojangles]

We can take back the following total salary given the players included:

Kuzma: 28m
Kuzma/Andre: 30.75
Kuzma/Andre/Smith: 33.19

It appears as though you're using a simplified application of Article VII Section 6(j)(1)(iv)(z): "one hundred twenty-five percent (125%) of the aggregated pre-trade Salaries of the Traded Player(s), plus $250,000." Note that there are other aspects of Article VII Section 6(j)(1)(iv).

Reposting from a previous post:

That's a general simplification. If you look at Article VII Section 6(j)(1)(iv) of the CBA, the reality is a bit more complex. There are three different numbers that get calculated, and then which one applies is dependent on how they compare to each other.

The three numbers:

1) Article VII Section 6(j)(1)(iv)(y)(A): two hundred percent (200%) of the aggregated pre-trade Salaries of the Traded Player(s), plus $250,000.

2) Article VII Section 6(j)(1)(iv)(y)(B): one hundred percent (100%) of the aggregated pre-trade Salaries of the Traded Player(s), plus an amount equal to $7.5 million multiplied by a fraction, the numerator of which is the Salary Cap for the then-current Salary Cap Year and the denominator of which is the Salary Cap for the 2023-24 Salary Cap Year.

3) Article VII Section 6(j)(1)(iv)(z): one hundred twenty-five percent (125%) of the aggregated pre-trade Salaries of the Traded Player(s), plus $250,000.

Then, you determine Article VII Section 6(j)(1)(iv)(y) as the lesser of Article VII Section 6(j)(1)(iv)(y)(A) and Article VII Section 6(j)(1)(iv)(y)(B). From there, you determine Article VII Section 6(j)(1)(iv) as the greater of Article VII Section 6(j)(1)(iv)(y) and Article VII Section 6(j)(1)(iv)(z).

In a trade that sends out just Kuzma (from an outgoing salary perspective), the relevant number actually ends up being Article VII Section 6(j)(1)(iv)(y)(B), based on his $22,410,605.00 cap number (per Spotrac), resulting in an Article VII Section 6(j)(1)(iv) number of $30,937,615.54.

Lol thanks for the info..

next time just ask chatgpt to give you a concise version of the same info and theres a chance more people will read it

Sorry for trying to correct misinformation and educate people on how the CBA actually works. There was no ChatGPT/generative AI used. I've read the CBA, and I extracted and explained the relevant clauses. If you'd rather just read the CBA, here it is: https://imgix.cosmicjs.com/25da5eb0-15eb-11ee-b5b3-fbd321202bdf-Final-2023-NBA-Collective-Bargaining-Agreement-6-28-23.pdf.

[ReddRum]

Feels like Wiggins would be a good fit. Adding Wiggins and CP3 would make me feel pretty good about this season. RJ is a good player but I think the board is fixated on him a bit much right now

Have you seen the asking price for Wiggins? They want a young prospect and a 1st round pick as a starting point. Also, the Warriors have no interest in Kuzma so we would have to get a 3rd team involved.

[ReddRum]

ChatGPT says the Bucks should give the Warriors the following in order to land Andrew Wiggins:

Pat, Marjon, AJ Green, and our 2031 1st. Funny thing is thats probably exactly what sick Dunleavy wants minus Pat and Marjon. Think he would give us a break since his pops used to be our coach, although after that spear by Giannis they probably won't agree to any deal to help him!

[skbucks1985]

Patrick Williams (23 yo) for Kuzma works in checker. Who says no?

I would. Patrick Williams is one of these guys who to borrow parlance from people 10+ years younger than me Patrick Williams has 'a bag' but his production will never match said 'bag'. So he'll keep getting opportunities to be a major contributor for the next few years until we get to a point where the league realizes that he's an 8th man whose main assets are defensive versatility (even though he's not a great defender) and can hit a 3 at a decent clip.

[paulpressey25]

ChatGPT says the Bucks should give the Warriors the following in order to land Andrew Wiggins:

Pat, Marjon, AJ Green, and our 2031 1st. Funny thing is thats probably exactly what sick Dunleavy wants minus Pat and Marjon. Think he would give us a break since his pops used to be our coach, although after that spear by Giannis they probably won't agree to any deal to help him!

There is a Bo Outlaw element in this post

[pifhluk23]

No worries because he would play the 3. Lol.

True its just that if he's playing w Giannis he needs to be able to hit open 3s. And i worry about his defense.. we just got rid of our cement feet and hes another of those it seems..

If we just need a guy that can hit open 3s at SF then play Prince there, don’t give up a first for a guy that shot 35% from 3 on a bad team

We're playing Prince at SG though.

Turner Bobby Kuzma Prince Giannis. The Doc special.

[emunney]

ChatGPT says the Bucks should give the Warriors the following in order to land Andrew Wiggins:

Pat, Marjon, AJ Green, and our 2031 1st. Funny thing is thats probably exactly what sick Dunleavy wants minus Pat and Marjon. Think he would give us a break since his pops used to be our coach, although after that spear by Giannis they probably won't agree to any deal to help him!

The Bucks might be hesitant to part with one of their young guns like Ricky Pierce...

[ReddRum]

ChatGPT says the Bucks should give the Warriors the following in order to land Andrew Wiggins:

Pat, Marjon, AJ Green, and our 2031 1st. Funny thing is thats probably exactly what sick Dunleavy wants minus Pat and Marjon. Think he would give us a break since his pops used to be our coach, although after that spear by Giannis they probably won't agree to any deal to help him!

The Bucks might be hesitant to part with one of their young guns like Ricky Pierce...

Good one! I just find that pretty funny, although quite impressive AI still **** up a lot!

[ReddRum]

Just talk Dumars into a Zion/RJ reunion!

MKE: Trey Murphy III
TOR: Kuzma, 2nd
NOP: Barrett, MKE '31 1st, MKE '32 swap

Yes please but is that enough in their mind?

[ReddRum]

ChatGPT says the Bucks should give the Warriors the following in order to land Andrew Wiggins:

Pat, Marjon, AJ Green, and our 2031 1st. Funny thing is thats probably exactly what sick Dunleavy wants minus Pat and Marjon. Think he would give us a break since his pops used to be our coach, although after that spear by Giannis they probably won't agree to any deal to help him!

There is a Bo Outlaw element in this post

I’d love to see him play with Bobby…

[mademan]

Toronto wants Monk because he is a better player than Barrett, just like this board wants Barrett over Kuz. If we did trade for Barrett I would start Trent over him because he is a better player. I’m not giving ip a first for any of these guys. Take another swing on a vet minimum guy instead of these overpaid guys that have already proven they are so mediocre that their current team wants to dump them to give anyone else on their team a shot at minutes

There's no evidence to show Monk is better. Toronto wants to move RJ because of a guard/wing glut and him being the odd man out. Adding in Monk's money that runs a year longer doesnt solve anything but gift a better player to Milwaukee for no reason

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/ball-handler?SeasonType=Regular%20Season&dir=D&sort=TEAM_ABBREVIATION

pnr ballhandler
Monk 0.90ppp 62.5 percentile
Barrett 0.86ppp 50.8 percentile
Trent 1.01ppp 84.3 percentile

Iso
Monk 0.91ppp 56.5 percentile
Barrett 0.86ppp 43.7 percentile
Trent 0.93ppp 61.5 percentile

He's a better iso scorer. He's still not a good fit on the Raps, he's smaller, weaker, worse passer, worse defender....Being a better iso scorer while still not actually really good at that doesnt say much. Also not sure why GTJ is in this. If his number's in that aspect are better than RJ's and Monk's, its just noise. We had him...he cant iso at all.