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A couple Nets rookies that a few of us had interest in did not look great today.
Danny Wolf: 20 Minutes, 4 Points (0-5/0-3/4-4), 6 Rebounds, 2 Assists, 1 Block, 4 Turnovers, 2 PF.
Egot Demin: 17 Minutes, 3 Points (1-4/1-4/0-0), 3 Rebounds, 0 Assists, 1 Steal, 2 Turnovers, 2 PF.
Danny Wolf: 20 Minutes, 4 Points (0-5/0-3/4-4), 6 Rebounds, 2 Assists, 1 Block, 4 Turnovers, 2 PF.
Egot Demin: 17 Minutes, 3 Points (1-4/1-4/0-0), 3 Rebounds, 0 Assists, 1 Steal, 2 Turnovers, 2 PF.
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minimus wrote:Regarding Dilly I feel like he needs to show how to initiate pick-n-roll, setup plays. I mean he has Beringer he is raw and does not always understand angles and timing. Rocco is huge, but he also should learn all little nuances of the game. Today I did not like even one DHO, one pick-n-roll with Dilly and bigs. But hopefully it can be fixed with chemistry and continuity. At this point I think Finch MUST play Rob and Joan all garbage minutes and try them as backups for Gobert and DDV/Conley
One thing that bothered me today with Dillingham was on multiple occassions he was 5+ ft from a big setting a pick for him, meaning his defender didn't even get touched while staying in front of Rob.
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I didn't watch the game but just looked at the box scores. One thing to keep in mind with 2nd year players, they may be playing bad because they are working on the weakest part of their game. How is Queen, the future of Pelican basketball? The box score looked good.
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wolves_89 wrote:minimus wrote:Regarding Dilly I feel like he needs to show how to initiate pick-n-roll, setup plays. I mean he has Beringer he is raw and does not always understand angles and timing. Rocco is huge, but he also should learn all little nuances of the game. Today I did not like even one DHO, one pick-n-roll with Dilly and bigs. But hopefully it can be fixed with chemistry and continuity. At this point I think Finch MUST play Rob and Joan all garbage minutes and try them as backups for Gobert and DDV/Conley
One thing that bothered me today with Dillingham was on multiple occassions he was 5+ ft from a big setting a pick for him, meaning his defender didn't even get touched while staying in front of Rob.
Given the bigs we have this should be one of the most natural plays they run - Dilly HAS to become semi competent in the PnR or we have a major issue with PG rotations
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KGdaBom wrote:Miller leading us in points and rebounds. Over 50% from the floor and a couple steals too boot. -5 but he was -10. Not as horrible as it seemed at first.
I hate to say it but Miller might be fools gold. He just doesn't have the mind for the game. Much like Minott and even Dilly.
Dilly was a big disappointment to me today. I saw no improvement since the season end. He still plays too fast and out of control. The game is too fast for him. I thought he'd be much improved but I'm not seeing it.
To all of you that wanted a PG you might be right but we have very little money for one. Let's get Brogdan with the TP Mid level.
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We have to all be feeling giddy today after JoBer's SL Debut. What now. Dilly did have a rough game with shooting and TOs. TSJ has added facilitating to his arsenal. If he can do that on the regular that will be huge.
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Nick K wrote:KGdaBom wrote:Miller leading us in points and rebounds. Over 50% from the floor and a couple steals too boot. -5 but he was -10. Not as horrible as it seemed at first.
I hate to say it but Miller might be fools gold. He just doesn't have the mind for the game. Much like Minott and even Dilly.
Dilly was a big disappointment to me today. I saw no improvement since the season end. He still plays too fast and out of control. The game is too fast for him. I thought he'd be much improved but I'm not seeing it.
To all of you that wanted a PG you might be right but we have very little money for one. Let's get Brogdan with the TP Mid level.
I wasn't calling him any kind of gold, but he was our leading scorer and rebounder. Player of the game was JoBer. Honorable mention to TSJ.
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Klomp wrote:Miller's IQ is not great
You are so right. It's easy to see. Unfortunately the same as Minott and Dilly.
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Really impressive first NBA look from Beringer.
Saw some good things I was looking for from him.
1. Athleticism and length are legit and already has an impressive physique for an 18 year old. I don't think strength will be an issue in the long or even short term for him.
2. Seemed to be in pretty good position defensively and did not get sucked into the torture chamber by pump fakes.
3. Took good care of the ball on offense. Has stickier hands than Gobert and good hands for an 18 year old.
4. Seemed to be in decent position offensively, although we didnt ask a whole lot from him.
5. Good finish and vision when he did get the ball in the paint. Didnt rush and head on a swivel.
It's only one game and it's not regular season level competition, but he did play against a talent player in Missi who is no slouch and pretty much rubbed his face in the dirt and ate his lunch. Pretty impressive debut.
Still a lot to see yet like defending in isolation and playing well in more sophisticated offensive sets.
And a lot of work with a shooting coach.
With the level of defensive and offensive awareness he showed today, you can play him 15-20 minutes a game in a pinch right now.
I think we can forget about adding yet another center to the active roster.
I think he's a 10th rotation player to start who you can give 4-5 minutes in the 2nd quarter and if Gobert misses any games you can give him 20 minutes.
TJ Shannon I LOVED everything but the weak 3 point shooting. Hustle, defense, great shot creation and pocket passing.
Operated as more of a true 2 guard.
I saw a lot of the Joe Ingles game from him with the way he attacked the bigs with passing in the paint off the pick and roll.
It's against summer league competition, but if he can open up his game like that with shooting and passing it adds a whole different dimension and we've got a guy who can put more pressure on a defense than just driving hard to the basket.
Jaylen Clark was a wrecking ball on defense as usual. Did not hit any of his shots or offer anything offensively.
If he can become even an average 3 point shooter on a significant sample size he can be our version of Lu Dort.
That's important because we need another stud POA defender to bring off the bench to replace NAW.
I think if Rob doesn't show more PG skills and ability to take care of the ball that Jaylen is likely to eat a lot of minutes early in the season that would otherwise be earmarked for Rob.
Rob was really sloppy running the team. A lot of ill advised passes and did not use his bigs well at all in the pick and roll.
Threw several passes at other players feet.
I like that he was looking for his shot on pull up jumpers from the middle of the floor when the offensive set stagnated which should be an efficient look for him in those situations.
Miller was okay. He battled a lot defensively with Queen and held his own for the most part.
Still not in the greatest position a lot of the time and the outside shot was bad, but ended up with 20 points and 9 rebounds.
He's OK as the 12th guy on the roster.
Rocco did not look great in very limited minutes.
Agility and strength not great and still has a ton to learn about angles and spacing and how to use his huge frame and wingspan to his advantage and not play so upright all the time.
Jesse Edwards was ok. Still not great strength but the length will play as a break glass in case of emergency two way contract.
Tristen Newton didn't show much of anything.
Would prefer to find a much better offensive player for the final 2 way spot.
So glad that we didn't draft Derik Queen. He's like a shorter Jahlil Okafor to me.
Some offensive skill there but poor body and athleticism and he's going to be a traffic cone defensively who is also not long or agile enough to effect any shots in the paint.
Just head scratchingly stupid for NO to trade an unprotected pick next year to move up for him.
Fears also did not look good on either end, NO might be the worst team in the league defensively next year, even with decent defenders like Missi and Herb Jones.
Antonio Reeves looks like an NBA player. 40% 3 point shooter.
I think he must have signed an exhibit 10 or something after NO cut him.
Would love him on a 2 way.
Wolves need to be looking at a PG for the final roster spot who can give us good minutes whenever Conley has to miss time.
Now McLaughlin off the board but that is probably the archetype of player we are looking at being willing to take that role.
If Rob plays like this when the season starts Dante will be getting the bulk of the backup PG minutes.
Saw some good things I was looking for from him.
1. Athleticism and length are legit and already has an impressive physique for an 18 year old. I don't think strength will be an issue in the long or even short term for him.
2. Seemed to be in pretty good position defensively and did not get sucked into the torture chamber by pump fakes.
3. Took good care of the ball on offense. Has stickier hands than Gobert and good hands for an 18 year old.
4. Seemed to be in decent position offensively, although we didnt ask a whole lot from him.
5. Good finish and vision when he did get the ball in the paint. Didnt rush and head on a swivel.
It's only one game and it's not regular season level competition, but he did play against a talent player in Missi who is no slouch and pretty much rubbed his face in the dirt and ate his lunch. Pretty impressive debut.
Still a lot to see yet like defending in isolation and playing well in more sophisticated offensive sets.
And a lot of work with a shooting coach.
With the level of defensive and offensive awareness he showed today, you can play him 15-20 minutes a game in a pinch right now.
I think we can forget about adding yet another center to the active roster.
I think he's a 10th rotation player to start who you can give 4-5 minutes in the 2nd quarter and if Gobert misses any games you can give him 20 minutes.
TJ Shannon I LOVED everything but the weak 3 point shooting. Hustle, defense, great shot creation and pocket passing.
Operated as more of a true 2 guard.
I saw a lot of the Joe Ingles game from him with the way he attacked the bigs with passing in the paint off the pick and roll.
It's against summer league competition, but if he can open up his game like that with shooting and passing it adds a whole different dimension and we've got a guy who can put more pressure on a defense than just driving hard to the basket.
Jaylen Clark was a wrecking ball on defense as usual. Did not hit any of his shots or offer anything offensively.
If he can become even an average 3 point shooter on a significant sample size he can be our version of Lu Dort.
That's important because we need another stud POA defender to bring off the bench to replace NAW.
I think if Rob doesn't show more PG skills and ability to take care of the ball that Jaylen is likely to eat a lot of minutes early in the season that would otherwise be earmarked for Rob.
Rob was really sloppy running the team. A lot of ill advised passes and did not use his bigs well at all in the pick and roll.
Threw several passes at other players feet.
I like that he was looking for his shot on pull up jumpers from the middle of the floor when the offensive set stagnated which should be an efficient look for him in those situations.
Miller was okay. He battled a lot defensively with Queen and held his own for the most part.
Still not in the greatest position a lot of the time and the outside shot was bad, but ended up with 20 points and 9 rebounds.
He's OK as the 12th guy on the roster.
Rocco did not look great in very limited minutes.
Agility and strength not great and still has a ton to learn about angles and spacing and how to use his huge frame and wingspan to his advantage and not play so upright all the time.
Jesse Edwards was ok. Still not great strength but the length will play as a break glass in case of emergency two way contract.
Tristen Newton didn't show much of anything.
Would prefer to find a much better offensive player for the final 2 way spot.
So glad that we didn't draft Derik Queen. He's like a shorter Jahlil Okafor to me.
Some offensive skill there but poor body and athleticism and he's going to be a traffic cone defensively who is also not long or agile enough to effect any shots in the paint.
Just head scratchingly stupid for NO to trade an unprotected pick next year to move up for him.
Fears also did not look good on either end, NO might be the worst team in the league defensively next year, even with decent defenders like Missi and Herb Jones.
Antonio Reeves looks like an NBA player. 40% 3 point shooter.
I think he must have signed an exhibit 10 or something after NO cut him.
Would love him on a 2 way.
Wolves need to be looking at a PG for the final roster spot who can give us good minutes whenever Conley has to miss time.
Now McLaughlin off the board but that is probably the archetype of player we are looking at being willing to take that role.
If Rob plays like this when the season starts Dante will be getting the bulk of the backup PG minutes.
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Nick K wrote:Klomp wrote:Miller's IQ is not great
You are so right. It's easy to see. Unfortunately the same as Minott and Dilly.
I definitely wouldn't put Dillingham in the same category. Not even close.
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Nick K wrote:KGdaBom wrote:Miller leading us in points and rebounds. Over 50% from the floor and a couple steals too boot. -5 but he was -10. Not as horrible as it seemed at first.
I hate to say it but Miller might be fools gold. He just doesn't have the mind for the game. Much like Minott and even Dilly.
Dilly was a big disappointment to me today. I saw no improvement since the season end. He still plays too fast and out of control. The game is too fast for him. I thought he'd be much improved but I'm not seeing it.
To all of you that wanted a PG you might be right but we have very little money for one. Let's get Brogdan with the TP Mid level.
I didn’t see anything from Miller or Dilly that would translate to winning basketball in the roles they will be asked of this year. Whether they put up counting stats or not today. I wouldn’t be shocked if we go after Brogdon or another vet PG.
I was also disappointed by Clark. Great defense as always. But he can’t dribble so he needs to hit open shots on the offensive end. He was afraid to shoot by the games end and was barreling into a crowded paint instead of shooting.
Beringer and TSJ were great.
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Is it too late to sign Ryan Nembhard? Dang. I know he’s small. But he looks like an NBA player out there.
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younggunsmn wrote:Really impressive first NBA look from Beringer.
Saw some good things I was looking for from him.
1. Athleticism and length are legit and already has an impressive physique for an 18 year old. I don't think strength will be an issue in the long or even short term for him.
2. Seemed to be in pretty good position defensively and did not get sucked into the torture chamber by pump fakes.
3. Took good care of the ball on offense. Has stickier hands than Gobert and good hands for an 18 year old.
4. Seemed to be in decent position offensively, although we didnt ask a whole lot from him.
5. Good finish and vision when he did get the ball in the paint. Didnt rush and head on a swivel.
It's only one game and it's not regular season level competition, but he did play against a talent player in Missi who is no slouch and pretty much rubbed his face in the dirt and ate his lunch. Pretty impressive debut.
Still a lot to see yet like defending in isolation and playing well in more sophisticated offensive sets.
And a lot of work with a shooting coach.
With the level of defensive and offensive awareness he showed today, you can play him 15-20 minutes a game in a pinch right now.
I think we can forget about adding yet another center to the active roster.
I think he's a 10th rotation player to start who you can give 4-5 minutes in the 2nd quarter and if Gobert misses any games you can give him 20 minutes.
TJ Shannon I LOVED everything but the weak 3 point shooting. Hustle, defense, great shot creation and pocket passing.
Operated as more of a true 2 guard.
I saw a lot of the Joe Ingles game from him with the way he attacked the bigs with passing in the paint off the pick and roll.
It's against summer league competition, but if he can open up his game like that with shooting and passing it adds a whole different dimension and we've got a guy who can put more pressure on a defense than just driving hard to the basket.
Jaylen Clark was a wrecking ball on defense as usual. Did not hit any of his shots or offer anything offensively.
If he can become even an average 3 point shooter on a significant sample size he can be our version of Lu Dort.
That's important because we need another stud POA defender to bring off the bench to replace NAW.
I think if Rob doesn't show more PG skills and ability to take care of the ball that Jaylen is likely to eat a lot of minutes early in the season that would otherwise be earmarked for Rob.
Rob was really sloppy running the team. A lot of ill advised passes and did not use his bigs well at all in the pick and roll.
Threw several passes at other players feet.
I like that he was looking for his shot on pull up jumpers from the middle of the floor when the offensive set stagnated which should be an efficient look for him in those situations.
Miller was okay. He battled a lot defensively with Queen and held his own for the most part.
Still not in the greatest position a lot of the time and the outside shot was bad, but ended up with 20 points and 9 rebounds.
He's OK as the 12th guy on the roster.
Rocco did not look great in very limited minutes.
Agility and strength not great and still has a ton to learn about angles and spacing and how to use his huge frame and wingspan to his advantage and not play so upright all the time.
Jesse Edwards was ok. Still not great strength but the length will play as a break glass in case of emergency two way contract.
Tristen Newton didn't show much of anything.
Would prefer to find a much better offensive player for the final 2 way spot.
So glad that we didn't draft Derik Queen. He's like a shorter Jahlil Okafor to me.
Some offensive skill there but poor body and athleticism and he's going to be a traffic cone defensively who is also not long or agile enough to effect any shots in the paint.
Just head scratchingly stupid for NO to trade an unprotected pick next year to move up for him.
Fears also did not look good on either end, NO might be the worst team in the league defensively next year, even with decent defenders like Missi and Herb Jones.
Antonio Reeves looks like an NBA player. 40% 3 point shooter.
I think he must have signed an exhibit 10 or something after NO cut him.
Would love him on a 2 way.
Wolves need to be looking at a PG for the final roster spot who can give us good minutes whenever Conley has to miss time.
Now McLaughlin off the board but that is probably the archetype of player we are looking at being willing to take that role.
If Rob plays like this when the season starts Dante will be getting the bulk of the backup PG minutes.
Thanks so much for the write up brother - Very much appreciated from someone who can't watch
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Not too exciting with Joan Performance or TSJ one ( definitely NBA player) and not too disappointing with the mix we got from Rob and Clark. They need to practice more to find some chemistry but the talent is here. I expect Rob, TSJ, Clark to play significant min when season start. And Joan should play 5-8 min if he play this level as we take huge risk playing only Naz at 5 if Rudy goes down. Let's see next games.
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I honestly believe TSJ is going to play at backup PG a decent amount of minutes this season. Today was his come out party in that regard. If you double Ant, you'll leave TSJ open to do as he pleases. It will open up both of their games.
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Worm Guts wrote:No doubt that Beringer looks like a revelation. Very impressive.
JB was the best player on the floor tonight. I thought he'd be good but not that good. This kid is a natural and can only get better.
The flip-side is he's so slight that he'll take a beating game after game. He fought through his bad wrist tonight showing he's tough to his credit.
This kid is a player. Unbelieable. His skills translate.
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jpatrick wrote:Worm Guts wrote:No doubt that Beringer looks like a revelation. Very impressive.
He was great. TSJ was great.
Despite putting up numbers, none of Dilly, Miller, or Clark did the things they’ll need to get NBA minutes. Dilly turned it over at an insane clip and just didn’t look like a point guard. Miller had great counting numbers but he needs to shoot it. Clark was great defensively but has to hit shots. By the end of that game he was turning down open shots to drive into a crowded paint.
All said, good first game. Hopefully game two they all settle down and play well.
Exactly right. Disappointing for sure especially Dilly.
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Nick K wrote:Worm Guts wrote:No doubt that Beringer looks like a revelation. Very impressive.
JB was the best player on the floor tonight. I thought he'd be good but not that good. This kid is a natural and can only get better.
The flip-side is he's so slight that he'll take a beating game after game. He fought through his bad wrist tonight showing he's tough to his credit.
This kid is a player. Unbelieable. His skills translate.
He's wiry, but at 235 lbs he's bigger than you might expect. For example, he's 20 lbs bigger than when Nic Claxton entered the league (and an inch taller)
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