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Re: 2025 Free Agency News/Rumors 

Post#821 » by Chitwn36 » Thu Jul 10, 2025 5:21 am

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Red8911 wrote:
Read on Twitter


This is funny and sad at the same time. They probably hang up on AK once they hear PWills name.


Hard to imagine a P-Will trade before the season starts. The only realistic way a team would take him is to unload a worse contract or if we attach a desired asset to him. Like Ayo. We aren't in a position to do either of those things, really. We're too asset poor as it is and regardless of the frustration, its still true that its just not that big of a contract. Its not so big that we should shed a real asset just to avoid paying it.

Most likely we need to do what you almost always need to do with a talented player whose value is shot. Try to pump the value back up and then either trade or keep the player depending on the complete picture.
DuckIII wrote:
Red8911 wrote:
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This is funny and sad at the same time. They probably hang up on AK once they hear PWills name.


Hard to imagine a P-Will trade before the season starts. The only realistic way a team would take him is to unload a worse contract or if we attach a desired asset to him. Like Ayo. We aren't in a position to do either of those things, really. We're too asset poor as it is and regardless of the frustration, its still true that its just not that big of a contract. Its not so big that we should

shed a real asset just to avoid paying it.

Most likely we need to do what you almost always need to do with a talented player whose value is shot. Try to pump the value back up and then either trade or keep the player depending on the complete picture.


Or just waive and stretch him, if we can afford to take the hit
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Re: 2025 Free Agency News/Rumors 

Post#822 » by MrSparkle » Thu Jul 10, 2025 5:45 am

Chitwn36 wrote:
DuckIII wrote:
Red8911 wrote:
Read on Twitter


This is funny and sad at the same time. They probably hang up on AK once they hear PWills name.


Hard to imagine a P-Will trade before the season starts. The only realistic way a team would take him is to unload a worse contract or if we attach a desired asset to him. Like Ayo. We aren't in a position to do either of those things, really. We're too asset poor as it is and regardless of the frustration, its still true that its just not that big of a contract. Its not so big that we should shed a real asset just to avoid paying it.

Most likely we need to do what you almost always need to do with a talented player whose value is shot. Try to pump the value back up and then either trade or keep the player depending on the complete picture.
DuckIII wrote:
Red8911 wrote:
Read on Twitter


This is funny and sad at the same time. They probably hang up on AK once they hear PWills name.


Hard to imagine a P-Will trade before the season starts. The only realistic way a team would take him is to unload a worse contract or if we attach a desired asset to him. Like Ayo. We aren't in a position to do either of those things, really. We're too asset poor as it is and regardless of the frustration, its still true that its just not that big of a contract. Its not so big that we should

shed a real asset just to avoid paying it.

Most likely we need to do what you almost always need to do with a talented player whose value is shot. Try to pump the value back up and then either trade or keep the player depending on the complete picture.


Or just waive and stretch him, if we can afford to take the hit


For what, $15M a year?

Dude is owed $72M.
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Re: 2025 Free Agency News/Rumors 

Post#823 » by DrModesty » Thu Jul 10, 2025 5:56 am

MrSparkle wrote:
Chitwn36 wrote:
DuckIII wrote:
Hard to imagine a P-Will trade before the season starts. The only realistic way a team would take him is to unload a worse contract or if we attach a desired asset to him. Like Ayo. We aren't in a position to do either of those things, really. We're too asset poor as it is and regardless of the frustration, its still true that its just not that big of a contract. Its not so big that we should shed a real asset just to avoid paying it.

Most likely we need to do what you almost always need to do with a talented player whose value is shot. Try to pump the value back up and then either trade or keep the player depending on the complete picture.
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Hard to imagine a P-Will trade before the season starts. The only realistic way a team would take him is to unload a worse contract or if we attach a desired asset to him. Like Ayo. We aren't in a position to do either of those things, really. We're too asset poor as it is and regardless of the frustration, its still true that its just not that big of a contract. Its not so big that we should

shed a real asset just to avoid paying it.

Most likely we need to do what you almost always need to do with a talented player whose value is shot. Try to pump the value back up and then either trade or keep the player depending on the complete picture.


Or just waive and stretch him, if we can afford to take the hit


For what, $15M a year?

Dude is owed $72M.


Stretch provision is calculated by the number of years on the contract, multiplied by 2 and then add 1. So for a 4/72 contract it would be $8m of dead money every year for the next 9 years.
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Re: 2025 Free Agency News/Rumors 

Post#824 » by jnrjr79 » Thu Jul 10, 2025 2:17 pm

The Bulls are not good enough, or financially constrained enough, to have any reason to waive Pat at this point.
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Re: 2025 Free Agency News/Rumors 

Post#825 » by GoBlue72391 » Thu Jul 10, 2025 3:55 pm

Red8911 wrote:
Read on Twitter


This is funny and sad at the same time. They probably hang up on AK once they hear PWills name.

Hmm, trying to trade a player at his absolute lowest value. I wonder why there's no interest?!?!
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Post#826 » by Dan Z » Thu Jul 10, 2025 3:59 pm

GoBlue72391 wrote:
Red8911 wrote:
Read on Twitter


This is funny and sad at the same time. They probably hang up on AK once they hear PWills name.

Hmm, trying to trade a player at his absolute lowest value. I wonder why there's no interest?!?!


I'm still surprised that AK gave him that contract. At the very least the Bulls should've ask for a team option for the final season.

It seems like the plan right now is bury PW on the bench and continue to tank his value...?
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Post#827 » by Evil_Headband » Thu Jul 10, 2025 4:05 pm

I never understood even shopping Williams after the down year. It was obvious teams wouldn't value him. Best hope is plays better next year and go from there. It's possible.
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Re: 2025 Free Agency News/Rumors 

Post#828 » by jnrjr79 » Thu Jul 10, 2025 4:10 pm

Dan Z wrote:
GoBlue72391 wrote:
Red8911 wrote:
Read on Twitter


This is funny and sad at the same time. They probably hang up on AK once they hear PWills name.

Hmm, trying to trade a player at his absolute lowest value. I wonder why there's no interest?!?!


I'm still surprised that AK gave him that contract. At the very least the Bulls should've ask for a team option for the final season.

It seems like the plan right now is bury PW on the bench and continue to tank his value...?


I guess I expect Pat to be the backup 4, basically in the same role he was after he got benched last year.
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Re: 2025 Free Agency News/Rumors 

Post#829 » by Ben » Thu Jul 10, 2025 8:32 pm

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sco wrote:I think our problem is that poop floats too and AK can't tell the difference.


We all have busy lives, but I've missed you guys.
That's amazing just today I was thinking about you. And now you are back. I just read this, wow! Not sure you have seen me change my screen name here from Rodman to Samwana, so here you go. Really good to see you Ben!


That's very kind, thanks! I've followed some of your FB updates over the years so I've at least had a vague sense of some things going on in your life. Best wishes to one of my German friends! :hug:
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Re: 2025 Free Agency News/Rumors 

Post#830 » by DuckIII » Fri Jul 11, 2025 4:09 pm

jnrjr79 wrote:
Dan Z wrote:
GoBlue72391 wrote:Hmm, trying to trade a player at his absolute lowest value. I wonder why there's no interest?!?!


I'm still surprised that AK gave him that contract. At the very least the Bulls should've ask for a team option for the final season.

It seems like the plan right now is bury PW on the bench and continue to tank his value...?


I guess I expect Pat to be the backup 4, basically in the same role he was after he got benched last year.


I would imagine, at least to start the season, Pat's presumptive role will be somewhere in a four player 3/4 rotation with Okoro, Matas and Noa. Plus some Venn Diagram crossover with Smith who will be a 4/5. Where he falls in that hierarchy is a big questions mark, particularly between him and Noa. It could go a variety of directions.

People really need to remember that for all their unbridled hatred of Patrick Williams, in order to play on this team the only guys he needs to beat out are Terry and Phillips. Our team is not good. We are not deep with desirable options.
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Re: 2025 Free Agency News/Rumors 

Post#831 » by jnrjr79 » Fri Jul 11, 2025 4:10 pm

DuckIII wrote:
jnrjr79 wrote:
Dan Z wrote:
I'm still surprised that AK gave him that contract. At the very least the Bulls should've ask for a team option for the final season.

It seems like the plan right now is bury PW on the bench and continue to tank his value...?


I guess I expect Pat to be the backup 4, basically in the same role he was after he got benched last year.


I would imagine, at least to start the season, Pat's presumptive role will be somewhere in a four player 3/4 rotation with Okoro, Matas and Noa. Plus some Venn Diagram crossover with Smith who will be a 4/5. Where he falls in that hierarchy is a big questions mark, particularly between him and Noa. It could go a variety of directions.

People really need to remember that for all their unbridled hatred of Patrick Williams, in order to play on this team the only guys he needs to beat out are Terry and Phillips. Our team is not good. We are not deep with desirable options.


I *hope* Noa is in the rotation to start the season, but I'm not 100% confident he will be, which is all the more reason I think there will be plenty of minutes for Pat.
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Re: 2025 Free Agency News/Rumors 

Post#832 » by kodo » Fri Jul 11, 2025 4:16 pm

jnrjr79 wrote:I *hope* Noa is in the rotation to start the season, but I'm not 100% confident he will be, which is all the more reason I think there will be plenty of minutes for Pat.


I wouldn't expect him to be, he's a year younger than other 1 & done rookies who probably won't start like VJ, Dylan Harper, Tre. He's the same age as Cooper who had to reclassify. Both Flagg & Essengue are basically drafted High Schoolers. He's a full 2 years younger than Queen who I'm not sure I'd start.
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Re: 2025 Free Agency News/Rumors 

Post#833 » by jnrjr79 » Fri Jul 11, 2025 4:33 pm

kodo wrote:
jnrjr79 wrote:I *hope* Noa is in the rotation to start the season, but I'm not 100% confident he will be, which is all the more reason I think there will be plenty of minutes for Pat.


I wouldn't expect him to be, he's a year younger than other 1 & done rookies who probably won't start like VJ, Dylan Harper, Tre. He's the same age as Cooper who had to reclassify. Both Flagg & Essengue are basically drafted High Schoolers. He's a full 2 years younger than Queen who I'm not sure I'd start.


Right, and I'm thinking more specifically to the experience with Billy and Matas last year, which would suggest it's not a sure thing.
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Re: 2025 Free Agency News/Rumors 

Post#834 » by dougthonus » Fri Jul 11, 2025 9:44 pm

jnrjr79 wrote:The Bulls are not good enough, or financially constrained enough, to have any reason to waive Pat at this point.


I think I'm more optimistic than most on Pat, which still isn't super optimistic, but guy just needs to get healthy, get back in shape, play solid defense, and get back to 40% from the three point line and he can be worth the rest of this deal (or close enough).
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