RGM GOAT Debate Thread (Part 3)

[ScrantonBulls]

Michael Jordan is the best scorer ever. Building around him allows for having players who weren't great scorers, like Pippen. But, like I said, Pippen could impact basketball games and winning in a variety of ways, at an elite level, without scoring.

Fun Fact Time!

LeBron scored 38.3% of his teams points in the 2015 NBA Finals
Jordan scored 38.0% of his teams points in the 1998 NBA Finals
Jordan scored 36.8% of his teams points in the 1997 NBA Finals

Hey, get out of here with that context! Rust cohle deals with extremely useful advanced statistics such as "teammates that scored double digit ppg". You can't get much deeper than that!

Taj is even better with ignoring facts!

1. Michael Jordan (1993 Bulls) – Scored 38.4% of his team’s total points in the Finals (highest ever).

2. LeBron James (2015 Cavaliers) – Scored 38.3% of Cleveland’s Finals points (runner-up).

3. Michael Jordan (1998 Bulls) – Scored 34.8% of the Bulls’ Finals points.

4. Michael Jordan (1992 Bulls) – Accounted for 34.4% of the Bulls’ Finals points.

5. Michael Jordan (1997 Bulls) – Tallied 32.0% of the Bulls’ Finals scoring.

6. LeBron James (2012 Heat) – Led Miami with 31.1% of their Finals scoring.

7. Hakeem Olajuwon (1995 Rockets) – Delivered 30.8% of Houston’s Finals points.

8. Shaquille O’Neal (2000 Lakers) – Scored 30.7% of the Lakers’ Finals points.

4 of the top 5 belong to MJ.

Thank you for making the case for LeBron here. Imagine LeBron having those total scoring % numbers while also being the main distributor/more assists, a superior rebounder, and typically the anchor on defense. MJ only had to score and had 2 superior defenders behind him for all the finals.

That's why LeBron is on another level.

[bledredwine]

Fun Correction Time!

MJ played with 6 HOF teammates, not 4.

Steve Holt! Rust Cohle!

You are wrong. Should I copy and paste it in several threads?

I believe MJ briefly played with parish and artist Gilmore who could be the additional 2

Oh yeahhh Gilmore. But he was way past prime, as was Parish, obviously.

Wait, so Scottie, Kukoc, Artis, Parish, Dennis, who are we forgetting? That’s five he played with.

[ScrantonBulls]

Pippen would have plenty of stinkers in the big games as good he is. He even had multiple finals averaging less than 16 points per game. MJ had the lowest supporting cast for scoring in finals history multiple times (‘97 and ‘98)

Russell had more HOF teammates than MJ, a whopping 3 times as many! He had 12 while MJ had 4. Huge difference there too.

Fun Correction Time!

MJ played with 6 HOF teammates, not 4.

Steve Holt! Rust Cohle!

You are wrong. Should I copy and paste it in several threads?

Lmao, quoting this so we can have ANOTHER MJ fact where bledredwine was wrong.

Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc, Parish, Gilmore, Gervin.

Don't challenge me on MJ facts son.

[bledredwine]

Fun Correction Time!

MJ played with 6 HOF teammates, not 4.

Steve Holt! Rust Cohle!

You are wrong. Should I copy and paste it in several threads?

Lmao, quoting this so we can have ANOTHER MJ fact where bledredwine was wrong.

Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc, Parish, Gilmore, Gervin.

Don't challenge me on MJ facts son.

Step sis, you didn’t even follow MJ or the Bulls, and you never post on the Bulls forum. You’re a fake fan, ScrotumBalls.

[Rust_Cohle]

Hey, get out of here with that context! Rust cohle deals with extremely useful advanced statistics such as "teammates that scored double digit ppg". You can't get much deeper than that!

Taj is even better with ignoring facts!

1. Michael Jordan (1993 Bulls) – Scored 38.4% of his team’s total points in the Finals (highest ever).

2. LeBron James (2015 Cavaliers) – Scored 38.3% of Cleveland’s Finals points (runner-up).

3. Michael Jordan (1998 Bulls) – Scored 34.8% of the Bulls’ Finals points.

4. Michael Jordan (1992 Bulls) – Accounted for 34.4% of the Bulls’ Finals points.

5. Michael Jordan (1997 Bulls) – Tallied 32.0% of the Bulls’ Finals scoring.

6. LeBron James (2012 Heat) – Led Miami with 31.1% of their Finals scoring.

7. Hakeem Olajuwon (1995 Rockets) – Delivered 30.8% of Houston’s Finals points.

8. Shaquille O’Neal (2000 Lakers) – Scored 30.7% of the Lakers’ Finals points.

4 of the top 5 belong to MJ.

Thank you for making the case for LeBron here. Imagine LeBron having those total scoring % numbers while also being the main distributor/more assists, a superior rebounder, and typically the anchor on defense. MJ only had to score and had 2 superior defenders behind him for all the finals.

That's why LeBron is on another level.

Thanks for making the case for MJ, Imagine leading all those categories and still having of the most lopsided finals defeats in NBA history in 2014 and 2018. Imagine having the lowest scoring supporting cast in multiple finals and still doing doing something LeBron failed at nearly 2/3 of the time he went to the finals...which is win. Yikes

[MavsDirk41]

Parish was 43 years old and played 43 games for the Bulls one year

Gilmore was 38 and played 24 games for the Bulls one year

Kukoc played 13 nba seasons and made zero all star teams so he didnt make the HOF for his nba career

George Gervin was 33 and played one season with Jordans Bulls

Great trolling

[bledredwine]

Hey, get out of here with that context! Rust cohle deals with extremely useful advanced statistics such as "teammates that scored double digit ppg". You can't get much deeper than that!

Taj is even better with ignoring facts!

1. Michael Jordan (1993 Bulls) – Scored 38.4% of his team’s total points in the Finals (highest ever).

2. LeBron James (2015 Cavaliers) – Scored 38.3% of Cleveland’s Finals points (runner-up).

3. Michael Jordan (1998 Bulls) – Scored 34.8% of the Bulls’ Finals points.

4. Michael Jordan (1992 Bulls) – Accounted for 34.4% of the Bulls’ Finals points.

5. Michael Jordan (1997 Bulls) – Tallied 32.0% of the Bulls’ Finals scoring.

6. LeBron James (2012 Heat) – Led Miami with 31.1% of their Finals scoring.

7. Hakeem Olajuwon (1995 Rockets) – Delivered 30.8% of Houston’s Finals points.

8. Shaquille O’Neal (2000 Lakers) – Scored 30.7% of the Lakers’ Finals points.

4 of the top 5 belong to MJ.

Thank you for making the case for LeBron here. Imagine LeBron having those total scoring % numbers while also being the main distributor/more assists, a superior rebounder, and typically the anchor on defense. MJ only had to score and had 2 superior defenders behind him for all the finals.

That's why LeBron is on another level.

lol. Once again, you show that you nothing about the 90s. And by the way, Jordan had 11.4 assists, more than Lebron ever has in the finals, alongside his 32 ppg and steals/blocks, and 41 ppg in 1993. 36 ppg in 92… the one time Lebron actually had to shoulder that scoring load, he got 35 ppg on a terrible .397 from the field. And this was all in the closed court era where you were not going to put up those numbers… unless you were Jordan.

So yeah, it’s a dumb comparison.

[ScrantonBulls]

Taj is even better with ignoring facts!

1. Michael Jordan (1993 Bulls) – Scored 38.4% of his team’s total points in the Finals (highest ever).

2. LeBron James (2015 Cavaliers) – Scored 38.3% of Cleveland’s Finals points (runner-up).

3. Michael Jordan (1998 Bulls) – Scored 34.8% of the Bulls’ Finals points.

4. Michael Jordan (1992 Bulls) – Accounted for 34.4% of the Bulls’ Finals points.

5. Michael Jordan (1997 Bulls) – Tallied 32.0% of the Bulls’ Finals scoring.

6. LeBron James (2012 Heat) – Led Miami with 31.1% of their Finals scoring.

7. Hakeem Olajuwon (1995 Rockets) – Delivered 30.8% of Houston’s Finals points.

8. Shaquille O’Neal (2000 Lakers) – Scored 30.7% of the Lakers’ Finals points.

4 of the top 5 belong to MJ.

Thank you for making the case for LeBron here. Imagine LeBron having those total scoring % numbers while also being the main distributor/more assists, a superior rebounder, and typically the anchor on defense. MJ only had to score and had 2 superior defenders behind him for all the finals.

That's why LeBron is on another level.

lol. Once again, you show that you nothing about the 90s. And by the way, Jordan had 11.4 assists, more than Lebron ever has in the finals, alongside his 32 ppg and steals/blocks, and 41 ppg in 1993. 36 ppg in 92… the one time Lebron actually had to shoulder that scoring load, he got 35 ppg on a terrible .397 from the field. And this was all in the closed court era where you were not going to put up those numbers… unless you were Jordan.

So yeah, it’s a dumb comparison.

Wow, a one series sample size. You really got me there. In that case, let me know how many finals MJ lead both teams in points, assists, rebounds, steals and blocks, all while being the best defensive player on his team. Oh and against a 73 win team.

That's some GOAT **** right there. Checkmate son.

[ScrantonBulls]

Taj is even better with ignoring facts!

1. Michael Jordan (1993 Bulls) – Scored 38.4% of his team’s total points in the Finals (highest ever).

2. LeBron James (2015 Cavaliers) – Scored 38.3% of Cleveland’s Finals points (runner-up).

3. Michael Jordan (1998 Bulls) – Scored 34.8% of the Bulls’ Finals points.

4. Michael Jordan (1992 Bulls) – Accounted for 34.4% of the Bulls’ Finals points.

5. Michael Jordan (1997 Bulls) – Tallied 32.0% of the Bulls’ Finals scoring.

6. LeBron James (2012 Heat) – Led Miami with 31.1% of their Finals scoring.

7. Hakeem Olajuwon (1995 Rockets) – Delivered 30.8% of Houston’s Finals points.

8. Shaquille O’Neal (2000 Lakers) – Scored 30.7% of the Lakers’ Finals points.

4 of the top 5 belong to MJ.

Thank you for making the case for LeBron here. Imagine LeBron having those total scoring % numbers while also being the main distributor/more assists, a superior rebounder, and typically the anchor on defense. MJ only had to score and had 2 superior defenders behind him for all the finals.

That's why LeBron is on another level.

Thanks for making the case for MJ, Imagine leading all those categories and still having of the most lopsided finals defeats in NBA history in 2014 and 2018. Imagine having the lowest scoring supporting cast in multiple finals and still doing doing something LeBron failed at nearly 2/3 of the time he went to the finals...which is win. Yikes

This is why you're also a GOAT here rust. Can't even look at basic context when evaluating these situations. Just driven by pure, unadulterated rage towards LeBron James.

Rust Cohle!

[michaelm]

Hey, get out of here with that context! Rust cohle deals with extremely useful advanced statistics such as "teammates that scored double digit ppg". You can't get much deeper than that!

Taj is even better with ignoring facts!

1. Michael Jordan (1993 Bulls) – Scored 38.4% of his team’s total points in the Finals (highest ever).

2. LeBron James (2015 Cavaliers) – Scored 38.3% of Cleveland’s Finals points (runner-up).

3. Michael Jordan (1998 Bulls) – Scored 34.8% of the Bulls’ Finals points.

4. Michael Jordan (1992 Bulls) – Accounted for 34.4% of the Bulls’ Finals points.

5. Michael Jordan (1997 Bulls) – Tallied 32.0% of the Bulls’ Finals scoring.

6. LeBron James (2012 Heat) – Led Miami with 31.1% of their Finals scoring.

7. Hakeem Olajuwon (1995 Rockets) – Delivered 30.8% of Houston’s Finals points.

8. Shaquille O’Neal (2000 Lakers) – Scored 30.7% of the Lakers’ Finals points.

4 of the top 5 belong to MJ.

Thank you for making the case for LeBron here. Imagine LeBron having those total scoring % numbers while also being the main distributor/more assists, a superior rebounder, and typically the anchor on defense. MJ only had to score and had 2 superior defenders behind him for all the finals.

That's why LeBron is on another level.

And your case for LeBron recently has almost entirely consisted of trying to diminish Jordan (who again you obviously never followed in his time) which is an admission of defeat in itself as has been said, and which has not exactly been successful, hence your constant resort to ad hominem.

That Jordan recognised or was persuaded he needed to play a more team game to win and that good to great reams could be and were built around him on which team mates had the opportunity to shine is exactly why he was great.

[michaelm]

Thank you for making the case for LeBron here. Imagine LeBron having those total scoring % numbers while also being the main distributor/more assists, a superior rebounder, and typically the anchor on defense. MJ only had to score and had 2 superior defenders behind him for all the finals.

That's why LeBron is on another level.

Thanks for making the case for MJ, Imagine leading all those categories and still having of the most lopsided finals defeats in NBA history in 2014 and 2018. Imagine having the lowest scoring supporting cast in multiple finals and still doing doing something LeBron failed at nearly 2/3 of the time he went to the finals...which is win. Yikes

This is why you're also a GOAT here rust. Can't even look at basic context when evaluating these situations. Just driven by pure, unadulterated rage towards LeBron James.

Rust Cohle!

There is another “i“ word with which you lack familiarity as is the case with irony, he is using your very own form of words against you by applying them to LeBron.

[bledredwine]

Thanks for making the case for MJ, Imagine leading all those categories and still having of the most lopsided finals defeats in NBA history in 2014 and 2018. Imagine having the lowest scoring supporting cast in multiple finals and still doing doing something LeBron failed at nearly 2/3 of the time he went to the finals...which is win. Yikes

This is why you're also a GOAT here rust. Can't even look at basic context when evaluating these situations. Just driven by pure, unadulterated rage towards LeBron James.

Rust Cohle!

There is another “i“ word with which you lack familiarity as is the case with irony, he is using your very own form of words against you by applying them to LeBron.

Went straight over his head

[Gregoire]

I get it, you’re projecting because you didn’t witness the Bulls and I did.

But I hope that you realize I don’t care at all that you post this. You make yourself look silly and desperate, especially since ai actually went to games when I was young.
And the funny thing is that it communicates that you conceded and literally have nothing to say back. But I think that I’m going to start reading some of your posts and reporting them since they’re so childish in the first place.

unrelated or insult = you’ve given up and have nothing to say, every single time, fake bulls fan. Poll has Mj at 3.5X of Lebrick’s votes

75-25 here, 25-12 in favor of MJ over LeBron in question of "which peak is better than MJ?" even in PC Board (LeBrons fanboys sect), it seems just Jordan became more consensus GOAT the more time is gone. Incredible.
But... PC Board fanboys went berserk in their ritual greatest peak thread, where the voting panel is such a unbias, that in half of posters balots of top-3 Jordan is absent, Im not sure is this just multiple accounts trolls or not... but very funny

I always get a kick out of the meltdowns people have over the PC forum because their conclusions don't align with what they want to believe. They get so upset that the PC forum uses in depth analysis and advanced statistics as a basis for their opinions, as opposed to simply using "rangz!" In reality, you are just upset because the majority pick LeBron over Jordan

Imagine complaining about the Peak Project, where they use in depth analysis to make a case for who has the best peak, all while championing the anonymous poll in this that requires no justification or analysis Peak Gregoire right there.

In depth, in depth... ahahah.. oh, give me a break. Yes, peak in deep analysis to push their agenda and givve peak MJ 5th place. Its strange you are not in their "in depth" voting panel, are you?

[bledredwine]

75-25 here, 25-12 in favor of MJ over LeBron in question of "which peak is better than MJ?" even in PC Board (LeBrons fanboys sect), it seems just Jordan became more consensus GOAT the more time is gone. Incredible.
But... PC Board fanboys went berserk in their ritual greatest peak thread, where the voting panel is such a unbias, that in half of posters balots of top-3 Jordan is absent, Im not sure is this just multiple accounts trolls or not... but very funny

I always get a kick out of the meltdowns people have over the PC forum because their conclusions don't align with what they want to believe. They get so upset that the PC forum uses in depth analysis and advanced statistics as a basis for their opinions, as opposed to simply using "rangz!" In reality, you are just upset because the majority pick LeBron over Jordan

Imagine complaining about the Peak Project, where they use in depth analysis to make a case for who has the best peak, all while championing the anonymous poll in this that requires no justification or analysis Peak Gregoire right there.

In depth, in depth... ahahah.. oh, give me a break. Yes, peak in deep analysis to push their agenda and givve peak MJ 5th place. Its strange you are not in their "in depth" voting panel, are you?

It’s also funny seeing the word “meltdown” being used from captain meltdown himself. I’ve never seen so many emotions, emojis and harmless one-sided attempts at arguments from a poster in my life. It’s a build up of emotions from the complete butt kicking in not only the polls, but all of the points brought up in the two threads of this non-existent debate.

[Iwasawitness]

You are wrong. Should I copy and paste it in several threads?

Lmao, quoting this so we can have ANOTHER MJ fact where bledredwine was wrong.

Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc, Parish, Gilmore, Gervin.

Don't challenge me on MJ facts son.

Step sis, you didn’t even follow MJ or the Bulls, and you never post on the Bulls forum. You’re a fake fan, ScrotumBalls.

Neither did you...

[bledredwine]

Lmao, quoting this so we can have ANOTHER MJ fact where bledredwine was wrong.

Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc, Parish, Gilmore, Gervin.

Don't challenge me on MJ facts son.

Step sis, you didn’t even follow MJ or the Bulls, and you never post on the Bulls forum. You’re a fake fan, ScrotumBalls.

Neither did you...

As someone who went to six games in the 96 season, you both just look sillier to me every time you try and say that. You can stop projecting. Just because you have nothing to compare with doesn’t mean I haven’t fully witnessed both. It literally got to the point where I ignore your replies because after statements like this, I know I can’t take you seriously as you’re dead wrong.

And even still? I’ve gone back and spent way too much time since college years watching the older Bulls games that I didn’t recollect as a child from 84-90. My first Bulls memory is the 91 finals and I remember the second three peat vividly since my family would watch nearly every single game.

So even if that was the case, it would be a really dumb thing to bring up as some sort of argument. You don’t see me bashing the two of you for being youngsters who didn’t follow the Bulls, just Scranton for purposefully fake repping a Bulls screen name. He doesn’t even post on the forum. I have for well over a decade, unlike both of you.

[ScrantonBulls]

Step sis, you didn’t even follow MJ or the Bulls, and you never post on the Bulls forum. You’re a fake fan, ScrotumBalls.

Neither did you...

As someone who went to six games in the 96 season, you both just look sillier to me every time you try and say that. You can stop projecting. Just because you have nothing to compare with doesn’t mean I haven’t fully witnessed both. It literally got to the point where I ignore your replies because after statements like this, I know I can’t take you seriously as you’re dead wrong.

And even still? I’ve gone back and spent way too much time since college years watching the older Bulls games that I didn’t recollect as a child from 84-90. My first Bulls memory is the 91 finals and I remember the second three peat vividly since my family would watch nearly every single game.

So even if that was the case, it would be a really dumb thing to bring up as some sort of argument. You don’t see me bashing the two of you for being youngsters who didn’t follow the Bulls, just Scranton for purposefully fake repping a Bulls screen name. He doesn’t even post on the forum. I have for well over a decade, unlike both of you.

search.php?keywords=&terms=all&author=Scrantonbulls&fid%5B%5D=10&sc=1&sf=all&sr=posts&sk=t&sd=d&st=0&ch=300&t=0&submit=Search

351 posts on the Bulls forum. Wrong again, son. Death, taxes, and bledredwine being wrong about literally everything

[Iwasawitness]

Step sis, you didn’t even follow MJ or the Bulls, and you never post on the Bulls forum. You’re a fake fan, ScrotumBalls.

Neither did you...

As someone who went to six games in the 96 season, you both just look sillier to me every time you try and say that. You can stop projecting. Just because you have nothing to compare with doesn’t mean I haven’t fully witnessed both. It literally got to the point where I ignore your replies because after statements like this, I know I can’t take you seriously as you’re dead wrong.

And even still? I’ve gone back and spent way too much time since college years watching the older Bulls games that I didn’t recollect as a child from 84-90. My first Bulls memory is the 91 finals and I remember the second three peat vividly since my family would watch nearly every single game.

So even if that was the case, it would be a really dumb thing to bring up as some sort of argument. You don’t see me bashing the two of you for being youngsters who didn’t follow the Bulls, just Scranton for purposefully fake repping a Bulls screen name. He doesn’t even post on the forum. I have for well over a decade, unlike both of you.

You can say you went to games all you want. I can say I went to Wilts 100 point game and there's no way you'd be able to prove otherwise.

You didn't watch back then. We all know it.

[bledredwine]

Neither did you...

As someone who went to six games in the 96 season, you both just look sillier to me every time you try and say that. You can stop projecting. Just because you have nothing to compare with doesn’t mean I haven’t fully witnessed both. It literally got to the point where I ignore your replies because after statements like this, I know I can’t take you seriously as you’re dead wrong.

And even still? I’ve gone back and spent way too much time since college years watching the older Bulls games that I didn’t recollect as a child from 84-90. My first Bulls memory is the 91 finals and I remember the second three peat vividly since my family would watch nearly every single game.

So even if that was the case, it would be a really dumb thing to bring up as some sort of argument. You don’t see me bashing the two of you for being youngsters who didn’t follow the Bulls, just Scranton for purposefully fake repping a Bulls screen name. He doesn’t even post on the forum. I have for well over a decade, unlike both of you.

search.php?keywords=&terms=all&author=Scrantonbulls&fid%5B%5D=10&sc=1&sf=all&sr=posts&sk=t&sd=d&st=0&ch=300&t=0&submit=Search

351 posts on the Bulls forum. Wrong again, son.

Congratulations on 351 bulls forum posts, daughter You’re a basketball baby compared to me.

See join date.

[bledredwine]

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