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Re: Bears 12.0 

Post#341 » by TheJordanRule » Thu Jul 3, 2025 11:41 pm

Almost Retired wrote:Looks like we can address the EDGE position in next year's Draft. A bunch of EDGE Monsters will be available:https://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/early_2026_look_reveals_why_ryan_poles_avoided_one_need_last_draft/s1_16634_42408407

Love it! If we can keep strengthening the trenches, that trophy is gonna be ours sooner than later! Sign Asante, keep drafting OLs and DEs!
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Re: Bears 12.0 

Post#342 » by fleet » Thu Jul 3, 2025 11:51 pm

Sorry, Ryan Poles doesn’t draft DEs with high picks. Always an afterthought late in the draft. The Bears historically haven’t really done it much. So get it out of your minds. We draft punters higher.
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Re: Bears 12.0 

Post#343 » by Almost Retired » Fri Jul 4, 2025 12:29 pm

fleet wrote:Sorry, Ryan Poles doesn’t draft DEs with high picks. Always an afterthought late in the draft. The Bears historically haven’t really done it much. So get it out of your minds. We draft punters higher.


With next year's draft so stocked with big EDGE guys the Bears might finally invest a high pick. Especially if Dennis Allen pushes for one. We devoted a lot of draft capital on the offense this year. Next year the defense has to be fed.
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Re: Bears 12.0 

Post#344 » by Dresden » Sat Jul 5, 2025 3:18 am

fleet wrote:Sorry, Ryan Poles doesn’t draft DEs with high picks. Always an afterthought late in the draft. The Bears historically haven’t really done it much. So get it out of your minds. We draft punters higher.


They just invested a lot in Montez Sweat and the guy they signed this summer. Where would a high FRP play right now?
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Re: Bears 12.0 

Post#345 » by Mindcrime » Sat Jul 5, 2025 10:11 am

I was very surprised that Odeyingbo actually is ranked higher than Sweat by pff rankings

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Re: Bears 12.0 

Post#346 » by Dresden » Sat Jul 5, 2025 5:11 pm

Mindcrime wrote:I was very surprised that Odeyingbo actually is ranked higher than Sweat by pff rankings

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There are other avenues towards improving the DL besides using a FRP on one. Some people don't get that.
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Re: Bears 12.0 

Post#347 » by dice » Sat Jul 5, 2025 7:57 pm

Mindcrime wrote:I was very surprised that Odeyingbo actually is ranked higher than Sweat by pff rankings

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that's last year only. sweat had injury issues
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Re: Bears 12.0 

Post#348 » by dice » Sat Jul 5, 2025 9:30 pm

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fleet wrote:Sorry, Ryan Poles doesn’t draft DEs with high picks. Always an afterthought late in the draft. The Bears historically haven’t really done it much. So get it out of your minds. We draft punters higher.


With next year's draft so stocked with big EDGE guys the Bears might finally invest a high pick. Especially if Dennis Allen pushes for one. We devoted a lot of draft capital on the offense this year. Next year the defense has to be fed.

every year has plenty of EDGE prospects that go in the top to middle of the draft. and we can't really gauge things at this point anyway. scourton was projected as a mid 1st AFTER last season ended and went 51st. the guy selected immediately after him (oladejo) was an afterthought at season's end and skyrocketed during the offseason

if you're talking strictly the 1st round pick, we're looking at something in the 9-24 range barring the unexpected. here were the guys that stuck in that range from the end of their final college year to when they were drafted:

2025 - j. walker, m. williams
2024 - latu, verse, turner
2023 - none
2022 - none
2021 - paye
2020 - none
2019 - none
2018 - none
2017 - barnett
2016 - none

so even just in the offseason before the draft it's hard to project a guy into a general range

right now bain and dennis-sutton are the 2 guys projected mid-1st. where will they be in a year? who knows
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Re: Bears 12.0 

Post#349 » by Midwest219 » Sun Jul 6, 2025 9:50 am

fleet wrote:Sorry, Ryan Poles doesn’t draft DEs with high picks. Always an afterthought late in the draft. The Bears historically haven’t really done it much. So get it out of your minds. We draft punters higher.


:lol:
Poles wisey backdoored Flus with that Punter Pick and gotten a safety net out of the punter, somewhat. Thing is, Poles couldn't put all of his eggs into Flus the Loser' basket, during the 24 draft, which is looking like one of Poles best drafts so far.

I know your probably half joking about Poles/theDEs, I want to say we should at least see improvements as far as the dline goes(importantly- Dexter&Booker), but I think the Defense won't be out there as much as last season. Prepare for LOTS of CALEB and CO. on the field.

But honestly, Our Defense needed a break sometime after the london game/bye week, cause Coach Flus couldn't get the defense off the field on top of the fact, that the coaches left Caleb & Tyson out in the cold, in the pocket and in the freaking film room all by their loneliness and empty handed like hungry kids begging for education and more..... :banghead: Caleb had to call his old coach, FFS!! Coach Thomas Brown is off limits in this conversation, bears were short staffed and time was already wasted by the prior staff. Coach Brown did what he could with a disaster and still got us the win over GB.

So, here we go... If our defense wasn't stuck on the field most of the time last season then i think our stat looks a lot different pass rush wise/def stats overall, especially after the bye week, later, as the season when on. It gotten worse for the team and for the DLINE in particular, the fact that shht was hitting the fan with the
Alan WIlliams fiasco,
Lawn equipment stolen,
Dj Moore's frustrations,
Waldron the Con Man,
Billings' injury,
the entire defense wearing down,
Brisker and Coach Flus the Loser fighting one another, Brisker being in Flus the loser's doghouse. which Brisker took like a CHAMP,
Flus constantly going under more and more heavy pressure each passing week etc., on top of the fact that Flus announced taking over defensive play calling duties before preseason because he knew he was cooked.
So damn bad..this is worse than John Fox and Marc Trestman combined!!!!!

If things goes as we hope, Ex. Caleb being our guy and Rome Odunze rising above and beyond, + the run game above average. Then, next year Poles could hit the Dline hard if he wants too. I could see us taking pass rushers with both 1st and 2nd round picks!! or trade up for Bain Jr. ..which would mean win now mode.

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Re: Bears 12.0 

Post#350 » by Midwest219 » Sun Jul 6, 2025 11:42 am

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fleet wrote:Sorry, Ryan Poles doesn’t draft DEs with high picks. Always an afterthought late in the draft. The Bears historically haven’t really done it much. So get it out of your minds. We draft punters higher.


With next year's draft so stocked with big EDGE guys the Bears might finally invest a high pick. Especially if Dennis Allen pushes for one. We devoted a lot of draft capital on the offense this year. Next year the defense has to be fed.

Next year the defense has to be fed.


or maybe not..It's early but i think we'll be within a one or 2 position of need and then go BPA the rest of the draft.

My reasoning is, if Caleb shows up then everyone else pretty much does, we're still a young team, JJ is locked up, Gordon and brisker should get paid, Sweat is paid, our LBs are set, and everyone else thats a starter just gotten paid or is on a rookie deal. Magically, we're with 2 rookies deal & 3 NEW vets protecting Caleb.
PLUS, Poles is actually capable of signing Free agents, which he doesn't gets enough credit for.
Dexter is showing and we need the same from Booker, this year the defense should be less worn down during the long season. Get ready for the offense staying on the field.
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Re: Bears 12.0 

Post#351 » by dice » Sun Jul 6, 2025 6:20 pm

Midwest219 wrote:
Almost Retired wrote:
fleet wrote:Sorry, Ryan Poles doesn’t draft DEs with high picks. Always an afterthought late in the draft. The Bears historically haven’t really done it much. So get it out of your minds. We draft punters higher.


With next year's draft so stocked with big EDGE guys the Bears might finally invest a high pick. Especially if Dennis Allen pushes for one. We devoted a lot of draft capital on the offense this year. Next year the defense has to be fed.

Next year the defense has to be fed.


or maybe not..It's early but i think we'll be within a one or 2 position of need and then go BPA the rest of the draft.

My reasoning is, if Caleb shows up then everyone else pretty much does, we're still a young team, JJ is locked up, Gordon and brisker should get paid, Sweat is paid, our LBs are set, and everyone else thats a starter just gotten paid or is on a rookie deal. Magically, we're with 2 rookies deal & 3 NEW vets protecting Caleb.
PLUS, Poles is actually capable of signing Free agents, which he doesn't gets enough credit for.
Dexter is showing and we need the same from Booker, this year the defense should be less worn down during the long season. Get ready for the offense staying on the field.

i'd say the odds are strongly against brisker re-signing. and edmunds will be out at LB almost certainly. we don't know that we have an LB3 at this point either. but as far as the D is concerned, the elephant in the room is stevenson. starting EDGE is probably set for the next couple of years given the $ invested
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Re: Bears 12.0 

Post#352 » by fleet » Mon Jul 7, 2025 1:32 am

Braxton Jones allegedly lost weight down to 303. Team wanted him to gain.
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Post#353 » by Almost Retired » Mon Jul 7, 2025 11:45 am

fleet wrote:Braxton Jones allegedly lost weight down to 303. Team wanted him to gain.


He can back up Trapillo until we can trade him to a desperate team in need of a stop gap at left tackle. Maybe we can get a 5th rounder for him.
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Re: Bears 12.0 

Post#354 » by TheJordanRule » Mon Jul 7, 2025 6:01 pm

Almost Retired wrote:
fleet wrote:Braxton Jones allegedly lost weight down to 303. Team wanted him to gain.


He can back up Trapillo until we can trade him to a desperate team in need of a stop gap at left tackle. Maybe we can get a 5th rounder for him.

You really think that's all he's worth, brother? A 5th rounder for a dude who, when he's healthy, is a top tier LT! I know we drafted him in the fifth but jeeze lol!
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Re: Bears 12.0 

Post#355 » by TheJordanRule » Mon Jul 7, 2025 6:03 pm

fleet wrote:Braxton Jones allegedly lost weight down to 303. Team wanted him to gain.


Maybe he'd be better off as a guard. He gets injured so much that his lofty LT status doesn't matter anymore-- at least not to our brother AR lol. If Braxton wants to get slimmer and more durable, maybe we should listen.
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Re: Bears 12.0 

Post#356 » by Almost Retired » Mon Jul 7, 2025 7:05 pm

TheJordanRule wrote:
Almost Retired wrote:
fleet wrote:Braxton Jones allegedly lost weight down to 303. Team wanted him to gain.


He can back up Trapillo until we can trade him to a desperate team in need of a stop gap at left tackle. Maybe we can get a 5th rounder for him.

You really think that's all he's worth, brother? A 5th rounder for a dude who, when he's healthy, is a top tier LT! I know we drafted him in the fifth but jeeze lol!


It's because he's coming off an injury and he'd be a one year (or a partial year) rental for any team that traded for him. His contract is up after this year. Expiring players don't provide a great return when you trade them.
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Re: Bears 12.0 

Post#357 » by _txchilibowl_ » Fri Jul 11, 2025 8:03 pm

Poles extended for 5 years. Hmmm.
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Post#358 » by Almost Retired » Fri Jul 11, 2025 8:18 pm

_txchilibowl_ wrote:Poles extended for 5 years. Hmmm.


Not every move Poles has made has been a success. But overall he's done a pretty good job considering what he inherited. It would be good to have a solid team between the GM's office and the Coaching staff. The two best run franchises over the past decade have been the Chiefs and the Eagles in my opinion. I think Poles is building a winner that can be sustained. I wish the season were starting soon. The anticipation is killing me.
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Re: Bears 12.0 

Post#359 » by TheJordanRule » Fri Jul 11, 2025 10:02 pm

Almost Retired wrote:
_txchilibowl_ wrote:Poles extended for 5 years. Hmmm.


Not every move Poles has made has been a success. But overall he's done a pretty good job considering what he inherited. It would be good to have a solid team between the GM's office and the Coaching staff. The two best run franchises over the past decade have been the Chiefs and the Eagles in my opinion. I think Poles is building a winner that can be sustained. I wish the season were starting soon. The anticipation is killing me.

I co-sign AR's take on this situation. IK, folks on here feel like they can Monday Morning GM it, but there needs to be a realistic standard of excellence that we can expect from a GM. Not every draft pick can be a steal, not every trade can be won. Compared to what Pace left us with, there's no comparison. Poles is easily in the top 3rd portion of all GMs in the league, if not the top 4th.
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Re: Bears 12.0 

Post#360 » by fleet » Fri Jul 11, 2025 11:37 pm

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Almost Retired wrote:
_txchilibowl_ wrote:Poles extended for 5 years. Hmmm.


Not every move Poles has made has been a success. But overall he's done a pretty good job considering what he inherited. It would be good to have a solid team between the GM's office and the Coaching staff. The two best run franchises over the past decade have been the Chiefs and the Eagles in my opinion. I think Poles is building a winner that can be sustained. I wish the season were starting soon. The anticipation is killing me.

I co-sign AR's take on this situation. IK, folks on here feel like they can Monday Morning GM it, but there needs to be a realistic standard of excellence that we can expect from a GM. Not every draft pick can be a steal, not every trade can be won. Compared to what Pace left us with, there's no comparison. Poles is easily in the top 3rd portion of all GMs in the league, if not the top 4th.

Ryan Pace was actually better. Although their first 3 years respectively were virtually identical. So Ryan’s hope.

Poles can start doing a better job at any time. He’s certainly replaceable in any case. He should have been replaced by virtue of making egregious mistakes in judgement on multiple fronts. While I disagree with extending him, I hold out hope he can do a better job with Ben Johnson guiding him in the right direction, which I believe is a process that has begun.

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