Giddy and Kuminga salaries

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Giddy and JK average salaries

Giddy QO
5
5%
Giddy $13-17M
3
3%
Giddy $18-22M
7
7%
Giddy $23-27M
28
27%
Giddy #28-32M
8
8%
JK QO
6
6%
JK #13-17M
9
9%
JK #18-22M
28
27%
JK #23-27M
7
7%
JK #28-32M
2
2%
 
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Re: Giddy and Kuminga salaries 

Post#21 » by HotelVitale » Fri Jul 11, 2025 5:58 pm

babyjax13 wrote:I think they will both take the QO. No one has cap space (except the Jazz if they want one of these players). Their current teams are not offering what they want. If Giddey took 20 million per year for 3 years but he can get 30 million per year for two years next offseason then that means he would be losing out on whatever amount his QO is worth by accepting a smaller contract. Being a UFA makes it easier to get competitive bids, and increases a player's ability to choose their location. I think we will see more players take the QO moving forward.


Players almost never take the QO for good reason. Those benefits you mentioned come with the obvious downside of 1) losing many millions in that QO season, 2) going into camp the team knowing you’re leaving, which feels destabilizing but also makes it harder for you to showcase your game, 3) obvious injury risks that could cost you literally like $50m, 4) obvious risks for guys like Giddey/JK that you have an off year or have your weak spots be clearer and more defining and could lose you many millions (eg Nerlens Noel), and 5) having to leave the team and place and role that you’ve got worked out there.

Also younger players don’t care about their location much, the season is an all-consuming grind and they can go or do whatever else in the off-season. If you hear them talk on podcasts or whatever of course they’ll have opinions on places but they won’t let that get in the way of making their first huge money. It’s only when they’ve already made huge $ and maybe have families or are thinking about post-ball life that that sometimes (though not all that much) becomes a bigger part of decision making.

For RFAs, teams don’t want to lose young guys for nothing and players/agents don’t want the above things. So even though it’s not a usual fa leverage thing players tend to get fair-ish contracts. (They usually don’t when an agent is very confident that some other team will be happy paying more than seems sound/reasonable for the first team, and/or if the first team just isn’t that interested in the guy for their near future).
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Re: Giddy and Kuminga salaries 

Post#22 » by nykballa2k4 » Fri Jul 11, 2025 9:33 pm

I try to imagine what these players look like for the next few years. Giddey is a bit like Deni, like Ball. His shooting numbers are meh, obviously a good play maker, adequate scorer, I don't have a great feel for him on defense. I think a player like him probably gets around that 25M number being talked about because he appears to be a role player on a good team rather than a star-type.

Kuminga, I want to liken him to Cam Johnson, MPJ, JR Smith from back in the day. He is a capable defender, he can shoot, but he isn't a shooter. Can create, but is more of a black hole on offense. Because he has that 2-ways about him, I would expect for him to get 30M if teams could offer it.

Just thinking about what has to be done to trade him, to trade for him the full MLE is about 12M, if any team has a full MLE remaining, a team can trade about 12M to the WArriors, and 12M into the MLE of a 3rd team and get him at around 24M
The math gets harder after that.

Could the Warriors do something like 2/50M 2nd year team option so that he makes like 23 this year, 27 next, and then whatever team gets him mid-season has his early birds (can re-up him for near 40 if he is worth it?) That would be my thought.
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Re: Giddy and Kuminga salaries 

Post#23 » by meekrab » Fri Jul 11, 2025 9:55 pm

nate33 wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:Utah should bid on Giddey. They have a big TPE to fit him into and they need to start adding in some foundational pieces. They have plenty of low level assets to send back to Chicago for them to save face. And if they don't want to pay him market value, then getting some value back makes sense.

Can you sign a free agent with a TPE?

I know they made the change so that the MLE can be used like a TPE, but I don't think it works the other way. I don't think a TPE can be used the same as cap room or a MLE type of exception. To utilize the TPE, Utah would need to get Chicago to cooperate in a trade, and Chicago has no real incentive to do that.

Exactly. Both Giddey and the Bulls want to get a deal done, Utah would have to pay relatively full value compared to other S&T transactions, certainly not "low level assets".
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Re: Giddy and Kuminga salaries 

Post#24 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Fri Jul 11, 2025 10:07 pm

Sticking with my figures from a couple weeks ago 3/75 for Giddey with a PO in year 3.
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Re: Giddy and Kuminga salaries 

Post#25 » by MoneyTalks41890 » Fri Jul 11, 2025 10:09 pm

meekrab wrote:
nate33 wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:Utah should bid on Giddey. They have a big TPE to fit him into and they need to start adding in some foundational pieces. They have plenty of low level assets to send back to Chicago for them to save face. And if they don't want to pay him market value, then getting some value back makes sense.

Can you sign a free agent with a TPE?

I know they made the change so that the MLE can be used like a TPE, but I don't think it works the other way. I don't think a TPE can be used the same as cap room or a MLE type of exception. To utilize the TPE, Utah would need to get Chicago to cooperate in a trade, and Chicago has no real incentive to do that.

Exactly. Both Giddey and the Bulls want to get a deal done, Utah would have to pay relatively full value compared to other S&T transactions, certainly not "low level assets".


Eh, for years this has been said, and maybe this time it really is different enough in terms of leverage, but I’d be willing to bet still that if a deal like this went down we’re talking about a protected 1st or George and a huge TPE.
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Re: Giddy and Kuminga salaries 

Post#26 » by meekrab » Fri Jul 11, 2025 10:14 pm

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meekrab wrote:
nate33 wrote:Can you sign a free agent with a TPE?

I know they made the change so that the MLE can be used like a TPE, but I don't think it works the other way. I don't think a TPE can be used the same as cap room or a MLE type of exception. To utilize the TPE, Utah would need to get Chicago to cooperate in a trade, and Chicago has no real incentive to do that.

Exactly. Both Giddey and the Bulls want to get a deal done, Utah would have to pay relatively full value compared to other S&T transactions, certainly not "low level assets".


Eh, for years this has been said, and maybe this time it really is different enough in terms of leverage, but I’d be willing to bet still that if a deal like this went down we’re talking about a protected 1st or George and a huge TPE.

Nah. If Utah were to just make a fat 5/150 offer sheet the Bulls would sigh and say that's Giddey's market value and match it, if Utah actually wants him they have to do something to make it worthwhile to the Bulls.

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