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Re: 2025 Summer League 

Post#261 » by Jay81 » Sat Jul 12, 2025 3:52 am

prime1time wrote:One thing we can definitively say is that Tre Johnson looks like the real deal. Multiple times he was open and his teammates didn't pass him the ball. Tre was 3-5 from 3. The rest of the team was 6-30 from 3. On a day with bad floor spacing, Tre made it look easy. It's going to be hard to keep his scoring down. If we breakdown his game a little further one of the concerns about his game was his finishing. In the first half he had a great finish over Maluach high on the glass.

He is easily our best player. Should have been a top 3 4 pick. We got lucky after our unlocky lottery
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Post#262 » by prime1time » Sat Jul 12, 2025 3:52 am

NatP4 wrote:It would be beneficial to have an actual PG running the offense and creating advantages/forcing defensive rotations. AJ Johnson was the only guard that actually got into the paint and scored/made some nice kick out passes for open 3s.

The Wizards had a lot of open 3's. They were just missing them.
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Post#263 » by TGW » Sat Jul 12, 2025 3:58 am

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TGW wrote:AJ Johnson looked like the best guard to me. He was actually trying to attack the paint. And yea, this team is going to be awful this season...no worries about that pick not conveying.

He looked better than Tre Johnson? What are we saying lol. AJ shot 26.7% from 3 this year and just went 0-3 from 3 tonight. You really think he looked like the best guard? Johnson is explosive but his shot is major question mark.


Tre Johnson made some extremely tough contested mid-range shots that I don't expect to go in with regularity against real NBA players. Quite frankly, he's not bringing much more to the court than Carrington at this point...they don't compliement each other at all. OTOH I saw AJ determined to get to the hoop...I just prefer guards like him who aren't afraid of the paint.

Anyway, it's just one game.
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Re: 2025 Summer League 

Post#264 » by prime1time » Sat Jul 12, 2025 4:03 am

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prime1time wrote:One thing we can definitively say is that Tre Johnson looks like the real deal. Multiple times he was open and his teammates didn't pass him the ball. Tre was 3-5 from 3. The rest of the team was 6-30 from 3. On a day with bad floor spacing, Tre made it look easy. It's going to be hard to keep his scoring down. If we breakdown his game a little further one of the concerns about his game was his finishing. In the first half he had a great finish over Maluach high on the glass.

He is easily our best player. Should have been a top 3 4 pick. We got lucky after our unlocky lottery

The average fan doesn't realize how hard it is to score in summer league.

With that being said Tre Johnson makes it look easy. In fact, this was easier than it was in college. But the tough shot making was on display. The layup over Maluach. The deep three off the PnR. The middy pull-up off the half spin and stopping on a dime. If the Wizards played basketball the right way, made the extra pass and tried to play to their strenths he could have had 25+ fairly easily.
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Re: 2025 Summer League 

Post#265 » by Jay81 » Sat Jul 12, 2025 4:03 am

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TGW wrote:AJ Johnson looked like the best guard to me. He was actually trying to attack the paint. And yea, this team is going to be awful this season...no worries about that pick not conveying.

He looked better than Tre Johnson? What are we saying lol. AJ shot 26.7% from 3 this year and just went 0-3 from 3 tonight. You really think he looked like the best guard? Johnson is explosive but his shot is major question mark.


Tre Johnson made some extremely tough contested mid-range shots that I don't expect to go in with regularity against real NBA players. Quite frankly, he's not bringing much more to the court than Carrington at this point...they don't compliement each other at all. OTOH I saw AJ determined to get to the hoop...I just prefer guards like him who aren't afraid of the paint.

Anyway, it's just one game.

Aj is the opposite of bub. All he can do is get to the hole. Zero shot
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Post#266 » by DCZards » Sat Jul 12, 2025 4:12 am

It’s impressive how quickly and effortlessly Tre gets off his 3pter. He’s a gifted shooter.
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Post#267 » by NatP4 » Sat Jul 12, 2025 4:15 am

Reed Sheppard is putting on an absolute show.
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Post#268 » by Dat2U » Sat Jul 12, 2025 4:39 am

Tre is exactly who I thought he was. Wizards got the right guy. Might be the best player on the roster from day one.
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Post#269 » by prime1time » Sat Jul 12, 2025 4:55 am

As much as I love Tre. The real story is Kyshawn George. He looked really good. He ran the PnR with Sarr. He attacked and finished on Maluach. People hate on Bub, the flip side of not being a ball dominant guard is that it lets other players attack. This was the best I've seen George play. If you go back to last year, opposing defenders could get up under him and force turnovers. But today he looked like he was in complete control. He played at his own pace and looked like he was in complete control.
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Post#270 » by prime1time » Sat Jul 12, 2025 4:56 am

NatP4 wrote:Reed Sheppard is putting on an absolute show.

Rockets always do a great job of featuring their young guys in summer league.
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Post#271 » by Dat2U » Sat Jul 12, 2025 5:53 am

Those Noa Essengue = Jan Vesely comparisons I made early in the draft cycle look really valid.

The bad hands thing is real. Plus no real discenable NBA skills other than finishing in transition. I know one shouldn't jump to early conclusions but he's got the longest way to go of the top 40 picks or so I'm not optimstic unless he has some outlier skill developement over the next few years AND the Bulls remain extremely patient with him.
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Post#272 » by Dat2U » Sat Jul 12, 2025 7:01 am

NatP4 wrote:Reed Sheppard is putting on an absolute show.


28 pts on 25 shots. Meh. I don't see any way he gets up that many looks in a regular season game without half the team being injured.

But I was really impressed with the 7 stocks at 6-3!
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Post#273 » by TheBlackCzar » Sat Jul 12, 2025 8:02 am

After watching this game, I think alot of rash decisions and conclusions being drawn, when you have to factor in who wasn't playing, and how they'd go about alot of things differently than our youngsters tonight... (Bilal, Smart, CJ, Middleton).... Also Cam who'd probably be shining in this setting..... I'd be surprised if we won over 25-28 games this season, but I'll wait until preseason to draw conclusions once our full team is on display.....

Tonight we didn't play team ball and got smoked for it, but that defensive stretch at the end of the 2nd quarter was a preview of possibilities.... So while we were losing I was looking for signs of what we might become, and that was promising defensive pressure....

Bub really isn't fast off the dribble driving... He seems faster in transition but when he has to breakdown his stride and change direction he is not very sudden....

This was why I was interested in Fears, but Tre definitely is better at getting to the rim than I initially thought... And he's still got so much physical development left in front of him, so I do like how creative he is, which is inspiring for his potential.....

I thought Sarr was a bit more assertive to driving tonight, but I think he needs to go even harder in that regard.... He still is unsure sometimes on his drives and that split second slow down limits his space advantages... I think he just needs to keep getting stronger, and continue to believe in getting to the rim..... Defensively he didn't get overwhelmed by Maluach's weight advantage which was a promising sign... Last year he's getting smoked so good work in the gym Alex.....Keep working...

Envisioning what Cam or Bilal would've looked like if they were out here, I think we'd have had more dunks, and been even more aggressive throughout on Defense..... I'm really excited to see our youngings with Smart and Middleton's tutelage and see how they evolve throughout the season....

Key looked very composed and in control tonight... He grown manned Maluach on one play and I was like ok you can tell he's gotten better.... He's further along in his development physically... He's slowly becoming a man, and he's looking much better.... Who've have thought he'd look this good so quickly after the expectations were so low when we initially drafted him.....

Watkins looked pretty good on defense....

AJ needs to eat alot of food and lift..... He is so skinny, and he's almost 21, so that's a concern.... He is explosive but he needs to tighten and speed up his handles... He negates his physical gifts by dribbling slower than he moves.... He lost the ball alot tonight and I think if he was stronger that would aid his ability to play through contact on the perimeter and when he drives to the basket....

I was excited just to watch us play and really can't make too much of it other than, we played individual ball offensively and defensively and got our butts kicked... This should be a wake up call, but it's just one game with no game planning.... Chalk it up and play better Sunday.....
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Post#274 » by FarBeyondDriven » Sat Jul 12, 2025 8:56 am

this game was similar to watching the G-League Ignite or a team full of One and Dones lose to a veteran team in the NCAA tournament despite having more talent. If you've ever watched either you'll know that talent doesn't equate to wins. Older guys, fighting for jobs, playing within themselves and matchups will dictate wins more often than talent. Suns had a very defensive oriented, long front-court which bothered drivers and their small shifty and crafty guards gave your bigger guards fits while you were on defense. Also it's a bunch of 19-20 years olds verses 23-24 year old guys and it looked it.

Not trying to be an apologist but that's what I saw. You didn't help yourself though. Lots of hero ball, one on one, very little ball-movement and virtually no offense being run. Not sure why this was allowed as it basically ended up being like the NBA combine scrimmages. I think the roster crunch is getting into their heads too. This is great since guys will either rise to the occasion or get beaten out by guys that do.

Remember, most of the improvement as far as bodies and skills will happen after SL when guys will get with trainers. They haven't had much time to implement changes and have things become second nature yet. If guys are still struggling with shots after the summer when training camp begins then it'll be time to panic. Most of these guys will (should) put on 5 lbs of muscle too.

Riley and Tre are just about unplayable right now because of their defense. Riley is a 2-3 year project and should spend the entire season in the G-league. Tre can score and hold his own on offense but I wouldn't expect him to get major minutes until the 2nd half after trades. It's probably best if he's getting 15-20 mpg in the first half then hopefully he'll be caught up and getting heavy rotation minutes in the 2nd half. This will trigger some but it's a very deep team and they're going to want to build trade values for vets, their young guys and figure out who, if any of them, can be core pieces going forward.
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Re: 2025 Summer League 

Post#275 » by gambitx777 » Sat Jul 12, 2025 9:54 am

Bub had a bad night. Nothing to worry about we saw him play last year. Tre looked amazing, sarr looked good and George is a player.

Really interested to see Robinson and gak play

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Post#276 » by AFM » Sat Jul 12, 2025 10:42 am



I'm a big fan of this guy. Chaiwanese Jokic.
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Re: 2025 Summer League 

Post#277 » by NatP4 » Sat Jul 12, 2025 12:01 pm

prime1time wrote:As much as I love Tre. The real story is Kyshawn George. He looked really good. He ran the PnR with Sarr. He attacked and finished on Maluach. People hate on Bub, the flip side of not being a ball dominant guard is that it lets other players attack. This was the best I've seen George play. If you go back to last year, opposing defenders could get up under him and force turnovers. But today he looked like he was in complete control. He played at his own pace and looked like he was in complete control.


He looks significantly stronger and more athletic, night and day from last year. Legitimately was guarding 1-5 out there and having an elite impact on the defensive end. The shooting/playmaking/basketball IQ has always been high level, and now he’s playing with even more confidence.

Looks more and more like our version of Cam Johnson.
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Post#278 » by AFM » Sat Jul 12, 2025 12:07 pm

Yeah Dawkins went crazy drafting George. Didn't even have him on my radar and I didn't get the pick at all. Dude is the real deal.
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Post#279 » by willbcocks » Sat Jul 12, 2025 12:26 pm

George flashed the tools and the right attitude from basically day one last year and never let down the entire season. The only question with him is ceiling, not floor.
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Post#280 » by Northwest Roddy » Sat Jul 12, 2025 1:02 pm

Can they send Riley to the H league first?

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