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LAvision wrote:Wallace_Wallace wrote:Yank3525 wrote:
It is tiresome.
He should have called it quits after he passed Kareem.
The Lakers do profit hugely on LeBron’s name. I don’t think they hate his presence, but it’s not uncomfortable enough to end the relationship.
Luckily we have new owners who are actually rich and dont have to pander to marketing gimmicks.
-Luke- wrote:Why does Windhorst still bootlick LeBron all the time after LeBron ridiculed him on that one podcast? Does this guy have some self-respect?
Johnny Bball wrote:They didn't tell Luka they were selling until it was basically on the way to signing the documents, or right after. They likely couldn't get in touch with Lebron because they told his representation instead. And within likely minutes it was made public.
This means nothing.
And quite frankly, its pretty entitled to think either must be notified.
druggas wrote:ciueli wrote:Yank3525 wrote:
It isn't suprising.
The organization has bent over backwards to cater to him and his associates for 8 years now. Yet, we are still getting this passive aggressive bull****. Everyone is just tired of it.
Wow, there are some entitled Lakers fans on this board.
Your team was in the dumpster after Kobe retired and before LeBron signed with you, no other stars wanted to go there because there was no one to play with but a bunch of kids. Your future was building around Brandon Ingram, Lonzo Ball, and Kyle Kuzma. LeBron comes and then all of a sudden stars from around the league want to play in LA again. Kawhi and Paul George both say they only want LA and we know they didn't really want the Clippers, that was plan B not plan A. Even after losing out on Kawhi LeBron talks to AD and gets him to force his way out of New Orleans with the Lakers being the only destination he will agree to, you get a superstar player in his prime that no other team could have gotten, it was all orchestrated by LeBron and Klutch.
And he wins you a title and give you years of the team being in the playoffs and now you suddenly hate him? For the Westbrook trade that the front office should have said no to if they had half a brain? For not winning you multiple titles past the age of 35? For not opting out and taking a pay cut now even though he's still playing like a top 20 player in his 40s? Amazing how quickly Lakers fans turn on a player who won them a title and completely revitalized their franchise. Can't wait to see how long it takes for you guys to turn on Luka if he doesn't win anything for you over the next few seasons.
The Lakers always rebound, and that's why LeBorn came to the Lakers. His time is up, and the way he controls the FO is also up. You like him so much, trade for him.
PistolPeteJR wrote:NZB2323 wrote:PistolPeteJR wrote:
This doesn’t mean anything. They can pivot, that makes sense. That doesn’t mean they couldn’t have informed LeBron and his camp too. That has nothing to do with prioritization and everything to do with respect.
I think they informed Luka before LeBron, but in any case, a player doesn’t need to be told ahead of time before ownership changes, especially when that player doesn’t fit into the ownership’s long term plans.
Again, considering the superstar LeBron is, the champion that he is with this organization as well, and the relationship they’ve had up until Luka landed in LA, yes, they do owe it to him.
ciueli wrote:druggas wrote:ciueli wrote:
Wow, there are some entitled Lakers fans on this board.
Your team was in the dumpster after Kobe retired and before LeBron signed with you, no other stars wanted to go there because there was no one to play with but a bunch of kids. Your future was building around Brandon Ingram, Lonzo Ball, and Kyle Kuzma. LeBron comes and then all of a sudden stars from around the league want to play in LA again. Kawhi and Paul George both say they only want LA and we know they didn't really want the Clippers, that was plan B not plan A. Even after losing out on Kawhi LeBron talks to AD and gets him to force his way out of New Orleans with the Lakers being the only destination he will agree to, you get a superstar player in his prime that no other team could have gotten, it was all orchestrated by LeBron and Klutch.
And he wins you a title and give you years of the team being in the playoffs and now you suddenly hate him? For the Westbrook trade that the front office should have said no to if they had half a brain? For not winning you multiple titles past the age of 35? For not opting out and taking a pay cut now even though he's still playing like a top 20 player in his 40s? Amazing how quickly Lakers fans turn on a player who won them a title and completely revitalized their franchise. Can't wait to see how long it takes for you guys to turn on Luka if he doesn't win anything for you over the next few seasons.
The Lakers always rebound, and that's why LeBorn came to the Lakers. His time is up, and the way he controls the FO is also up. You like him so much, trade for him.
Your team missed the playoffs for 5 straight seasons before LeBron signed, and even the season he signed you still missed because there was nothing on the roster for him to play with and he got injured. The only reason the Lakers recovered when they did was LeBron orchestrating the AD trade. The only reason you have Luka now is you had AD to trade for him. Lakers fans owe LeBron everything they have right now.
I would absolutely trade Brandon Ingram + RJ Barrett for LeBron + Maxi Kleber, I don't trust Ingram's health and the front office has been trying to get off RJ's money since the the Ingram trade with no success. But somehow I don't think that's going to happen since LeBron has a no trade clause and he isn't spending possibly his last functional NBA season playing for Toronto, plus the Lakers aren't going to take on Ingram's contract since he potentially has money that goes past the 2027 which would ruin the plan to sign Jokic or Giannis as a free agent.
Mavrelous wrote:
They issued a fix, after the damage was done.
Like I've said at the start of the thread, Windhorst is a POS, ESPN in general is a cesspool.
MavsDirk41 wrote:phanman wrote:It's pretty shocking to see so many Lakers that want him to leave/don't like him. You guys do realize that he was the only reason why you were relevant post Kobe and brought a chip to the franchise. Then you factor in that he is als Luka's all time favourite player growing up, welcoming him onto the team with open arms. It's not a stretch to say that Luka wouldn't have been as thrilled joining the Lakers team if the team didn't feature LeBron too.
With all that said, I think Windy's whole premise is a load of BS. Bron and Rich are two of the most connected guys and according to many reports, the pending sale to Mark Walter wasn't exactly a secret around the league. Jeanie absolutely loves and adores Bron and given everything she's done since Kobe's retirement, her stance on taking care of aging Superstars is well known you can guarantee that Bron was given a heads up as well.
Not a Lakers fan but they drafted his son and hired his buddy as the head coach. Pretty sure they have bent over backwards for this diva. Plus he is making 50 plus mil next season by opting in. You think he has been treated poorly by the organization? Cause i dont
mg wrote:Having lived amongst Laker fans for years I can say LeBron was never going to be beloved by Laker fans on the heels of Kobe. The way he died in 2020 only strengthened the bond between him and Laker fans. How can you compete with a ghost? For years they had defended Kobe as the better player. Another ghost of Kobe, Rob Pelinka, stayed on as GM during Lebron's entire tenure on the team.
Mavrelous wrote:
They issued a fix, after the damage was done.
Like I've said at the start of the thread, Windhorst is a POS, ESPN in general is a cesspool.
phanman wrote:MavsDirk41 wrote:phanman wrote:It's pretty shocking to see so many Lakers that want him to leave/don't like him. You guys do realize that he was the only reason why you were relevant post Kobe and brought a chip to the franchise. Then you factor in that he is als Luka's all time favourite player growing up, welcoming him onto the team with open arms. It's not a stretch to say that Luka wouldn't have been as thrilled joining the Lakers team if the team didn't feature LeBron too.
With all that said, I think Windy's whole premise is a load of BS. Bron and Rich are two of the most connected guys and according to many reports, the pending sale to Mark Walter wasn't exactly a secret around the league. Jeanie absolutely loves and adores Bron and given everything she's done since Kobe's retirement, her stance on taking care of aging Superstars is well known you can guarantee that Bron was given a heads up as well.
Not a Lakers fan but they drafted his son and hired his buddy as the head coach. Pretty sure they have bent over backwards for this diva. Plus he is making 50 plus mil next season by opting in. You think he has been treated poorly by the organization? Cause i dont
1) No defending the team's decision to draft Bronny, but let's not act like they used a valuable pick to get him... it was the 55th pick in a weak draft. Plus he's more than paid off that investment off the court even when you factor in his 4 year deal. Him taking up a roster slot is a different argument but it's not like him being signed is preventing a crucial piece from being on the team
2) They didn't just hire Reddick because he was buddies with LeBron. What are we doing here? - Was it beneficial that he had good relationship with the team's best player before Luka? - Yeah, but its not the only reason why he's there.
3) Not once in my post did I say they were treating him poorly. I just merely called out Windy's "report" as BS which was proven by that other tweet. Also this particular Laker's team is already expensive and close the to the cap without accounting for his 50+m option. They don't suddenly gain all that amount to spend this free agency if he took a minimum contract you know.mg wrote:Having lived amongst Laker fans for years I can say LeBron was never going to be beloved by Laker fans on the heels of Kobe. The way he died in 2020 only strengthened the bond between him and Laker fans. How can you compete with a ghost? For years they had defended Kobe as the better player. Another ghost of Kobe, Rob Pelinka, stayed on as GM during Lebron's entire tenure on the team.
There's a wide gap between between being beloved like Kobe was and hated/criticized the way he is currently.
NZB2323 wrote:PistolPeteJR wrote:NZB2323 wrote:
I think they informed Luka before LeBron, but in any case, a player doesn’t need to be told ahead of time before ownership changes, especially when that player doesn’t fit into the ownership’s long term plans.
Again, considering the superstar LeBron is, the champion that he is with this organization as well, and the relationship they’ve had up until Luka landed in LA, yes, they do owe it to him.
They don’t owe him anything. They drafted his son and gave his son a guaranteed 2 year deal and LeBron is making over $50M next year. He's an employee who will be leaving the company soon who doesn’t fit the future plans.
AD also helped the Lakers win a championship and I didn’t see people saying it was disrespectful when the Lakers traded him away.
Also, how exactly does it help Lebron to be told of a deal beforehand?
PistolPeteJR wrote:NZB2323 wrote:PistolPeteJR wrote:
Again, considering the superstar LeBron is, the champion that he is with this organization as well, and the relationship they’ve had up until Luka landed in LA, yes, they do owe it to him.
They don’t owe him anything. They drafted his son and gave his son a guaranteed 2 year deal and LeBron is making over $50M next year. He's an employee who will be leaving the company soon who doesn’t fit the future plans.
AD also helped the Lakers win a championship and I didn’t see people saying it was disrespectful when the Lakers traded him away.
Also, how exactly does it help Lebron to be told of a deal beforehand?
He’s not simply “an employee”. As far as the organization is concerned, he’s their leader, has been for 6 years, and top performer. The owner of a company doesn’t simply oust the CEO, COO, etc., who has brought success and a ton of money to the firm, and keep him out of the loop because the young VP is in and will be moving up. That is not how it works.
Slimjimzv wrote:Absolutely gutted for Lebron? They've given this idiot everything he's asked for, and the team was on the verge of mediocrity death because of it, when they fell backwards into Luka. Maybe he'll let you wipe your tears with his hundreds of millions of dollars.
Bucks4005 wrote:I look at it this way. Did the team inform Hachimura that they were selling? Vanderbilt? No? Then don’t be butthurt that they didn’t inform you, you can’t be complaining about not bringing informed when being informed is preferential treatment already. Like, if you complain, then the whole roster has the right to complain.
I mean, isn’t that essentially what this is? Complaining about whether you deserve preferential treatment. It’s preferential already, which means you don’t necessarily need it to begin with.
NZB2323 wrote:PistolPeteJR wrote:NZB2323 wrote:
They don’t owe him anything. They drafted his son and gave his son a guaranteed 2 year deal and LeBron is making over $50M next year. He's an employee who will be leaving the company soon who doesn’t fit the future plans.
AD also helped the Lakers win a championship and I didn’t see people saying it was disrespectful when the Lakers traded him away.
Also, how exactly does it help Lebron to be told of a deal beforehand?
He’s not simply “an employee”. As far as the organization is concerned, he’s their leader, has been for 6 years, and top performer. The owner of a company doesn’t simply oust the CEO, COO, etc., who has brought success and a ton of money to the firm, and keep him out of the loop because the young VP is in and will be moving up. That is not how it works.
AD was their top performer and they traded him.
Luka is their top performer and their future.
Lebron is not the CEO of the Lakers. He’s an employee who will be leaving the Lakers after this year.
Also, reports are coming out now that the Lakers did give Lebron a heads up after Luka, so this is a nothing burger.
CobraCommander wrote:Bucks4005 wrote:I look at it this way. Did the team inform Hachimura that they were selling? Vanderbilt? No? Then don’t be butthurt that they didn’t inform you, you can’t be complaining about not bringing informed when being informed is preferential treatment already. Like, if you complain, then the whole roster has the right to complain.
I mean, isn’t that essentially what this is? Complaining about whether you deserve preferential treatment. It’s preferential already, which means you don’t necessarily need it to begin with.
But if the team told Luka and didn’t tell the rest of them, that’s just as weird. I would either tell them all, the roster isn’t 10000 people, or I would tell none of them.
It’s not like they were asking for Luka or lebrons opinion- the deals done. You got new owners… that’s informative
PistolPeteJR wrote:NZB2323 wrote:PistolPeteJR wrote:
He’s not simply “an employee”. As far as the organization is concerned, he’s their leader, has been for 6 years, and top performer. The owner of a company doesn’t simply oust the CEO, COO, etc., who has brought success and a ton of money to the firm, and keep him out of the loop because the young VP is in and will be moving up. That is not how it works.
AD was their top performer and they traded him.
Luka is their top performer and their future.
Lebron is not the CEO of the Lakers. He’s an employee who will be leaving the Lakers after this year.
Also, reports are coming out now that the Lakers did give Lebron a heads up after Luka, so this is a nothing burger.
AD was their top performer on some nights, not always. And between 2019-2025 (pre-AD trade), LeBron was the better player for the majority of the 6 seasons.
Anyway, we can agree to disagree at worst.