Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Livingston Back on a 1 Year Deal - Page 76

[paulpressey25]

How did i miss this "significant name" stuff? What's the news? Help me out, thanks!

Longtime board member said yesterday heard hearsay that Kuz will be dealt. One more significant move to come. I do know this board member. He’s not a bs’er on what he hears.

[soxperry]

After being a horrid defender for many years, Monk actually improved quite a bit these last two seasons and was essentially neutral on that end last year...at least on paper. For a guy who scores 17ppg and gets nearly 6 assists thats not bad.

[Bernman]

Coby White is 6-5”. And shoots a much better three ball. Much different situation than Monk. I’d take White in a heartbeat and consider using a top one protected 2031 or 2032 . The only issue is that he’s owed $12mm this year and then becomes a UFA I believe. You’ve got to pay him.

White's 6'3.5 w/out shoes, only has a 6'5 wingpan, & isn't strong. Doesn't really have a notable physical component. He is a small guard in this day and age. So he has a pretty high creative standard.

The contract is a problem & solution, like w/ Reaves. Makes them a lot more acquirable now. And you figure they're not max guys. I'm more willing to use pick(s) on Reaves due to him being bigger & a better passer. White I'd be on the fence on. Advantage if he'd sign the extension ahead.

Well sure, I’d take Reaves over any of those guys. Problem is it will cost real players or three 1st rounders.

He's a bad fit next to Luka & you said yourself being a free agent in a yr where you have to then pay him a lot more should reduce value. I don't think it's going to cost that then. Our 1st rounders are also worth a lot more, considering how bad they project to be. This is not like Knicks or Magic.

Highly likely we shouldn't be doing a big deal, especially involving Kuzma, now. Cuz his value would be much more if rehabbed some and then used as a contract for apron relief. We're not targeting teams who need that. Kuz makes more than these guys & the apron pressure raises at the deadline.

[Daver]

3 team trade between Kangz, Craptors and Bucks. Kuz to Kangz, Monk to Craptors and Barrett to Bucks works

I think when is said n done barrett will be a buck wether its a trade like this or mano e mano

[yb90]

Unfortunately, based on Horst past trades I think it will be another overpay for a player. Horst just gave up two 2nd rounders to dump Pat. That should've been Pat and Cash for Micic. The good GMs dump Pat with one 2nd rd pick w/o any returning salary just like most GMs would've dump Midds without giving up A.J.

A trade maybe coming using Kuzma but given Horst’s history it's likely going to give up a 1st for Derozan, Monk, or Barrett. Those players do not deserve a 1st rd pick. You give up a 1st for Colby White, Austin Reaves, Toumani Camara, and Trey Murphy.

We had to do that specific Pat trade in order to make room for Turner. In the end, we shed 7.4m for two seconds with time and leverage going against us.

Personally im pretty happy w that

I know why he did it but a trade for that small of an expiring is usually absorbed by a team under the cap w/o any player or salary coming back in return. A good GM gives them the cash in trade so his next team doesn't need to use their money to pay his buyout.

[MickeyDavis]

Unfortunately, based on Horst past trades I think it will be another overpay for a player. Horst just gave up two 2nd rounders to dump Pat. That should've been Pat and Cash for Micic. The good GMs dump Pat with one 2nd rd pick w/o any returning salary just like most GMs would've dump Midds without giving up A.J.

A trade maybe coming using Kuzma but given Horst’s history it's likely going to give up a 1st for Derozan, Monk, or Barrett. Those players do not deserve a 1st rd pick. You give up a 1st for Colby White, Austin Reaves, Toumani Camara, and Trey Murphy.

We had to do that specific Pat trade in order to make room for Turner. In the end, we shed 7.4m for two seconds with time and leverage going against us.

Personally im pretty happy w that

I know why he did it but a trade for that small of an expiring is usually absorbed by a team under the cap w/o any player or salary coming back in return. A good GM gives them the cash in trade so his next team doesn't need to use their money to pay his buyout.

This is an odd thing to blast Horst about. He had no leverage and couldn't wait. A deal had to be made immediately or there is no Turner. Yes, in a perfect world (and on an internet board) there could have been a better trade. That can be said about every trade ever made.

[soxperry]

It's completely wild that we are currently in a position to both compete and take back a sizable chunk of salary in a trade.... And since we are so far below the tax we could probably do that at least two times if we wanted to

[Frank Nova]

It's completely wild that we are currently in a position to both compete and take back a sizable chunk of salary in a trade.... And since we are so far below the tax we could probably do that at least two times if we wanted to

Will Lillards 22.5m look that bad on the books in a few years after the cap rises? I’d think that would have a positive affect moving forward. I’m not really sure how that works but I would hope it becomes less damaging over time.

[yb90]

I think Giddey is a good player, but like Shootingthej said, he's not much of an off-ball player. His best play comes when he's handling the ball and making plays for his teammates or attacking downhill. Sure, he can knock down an occasional 3 if you give him time to spot up, but he's not going to be navigating around screens having defenders chase him or finding pockets of space to shoot 3's for Giannis to find him.

I get it and that's a valid point but he is only 22 years old. There is a lot of time to develop his game. A budget Franz Wagner would be worth taking a chance on.

[Matches Malone]

I think Giddey is a good player, but like Shootingthej said, he's not much of an off-ball player. His best play comes when he's handling the ball and making plays for his teammates or attacking downhill. Sure, he can knock down an occasional 3 if you give him time to spot up, but he's not going to be navigating around screens having defenders chase him or finding pockets of space to shoot 3's for Giannis to find him.

I get it and that's a valid point but he is only 22 years old. There is a lot of time to develop his game. A budget Franz Wagner would be worth taking a chance on.

Problem is he wants 30m+. That's no budget anything. If we're giving up that kind of cash, I'd want a player that fits a bit better with the star player from the jump. I just don't think you'd be maximizing Giddey's current talents at that price point and have time for him to develop as an off-ball 3&D wing we need presently.

[soxperry]

It's completely wild that we are currently in a position to both compete and take back a sizable chunk of salary in a trade.... And since we are so far below the tax we could probably do that at least two times if we wanted to

Will Lillards 22.5m look that bad on the books in a few years after the cap rises? I’d think that would have a positive affect moving forward. I’m not really sure how that works but I would hope it becomes less damaging over time.

If you look at the projected cap in 2027, the first year we would have been clear of Dame's contract, that 22.5 is about 13% of the cap number. So, its a factor, but its not the end of the world. We are playing the roster game at a small disadvantage now, but i see it as an opportunity cost to keep Giannis and be able to build around him.

[crowhead76]

from 3stepbasket.com

[raferfenix]

3 team trade between Kangz, Craptors and Bucks. Kuz to Kangz, Monk to Craptors and Barrett to Bucks works

I think when is said n done barrett will be a buck wether its a trade like this or mano e mano

Yeah I’m not rejecting Monk to the Bucks out of hand but if he can’t defend and isn’t a PG that’s a rough fit.

Barrett doesn’t seem to be much on defense either but at least he’s close to SF size.

[soxperry]

from 3stepbasket.com

Oh ****... I wonder what Brook's year shot chart looks like.

There are many differences between the two players but I think for our purposes the fact that Miles seems like a reliable mid-range shooter and shoots a high percentage from all over the three-point line is pretty huge

[crowhead76]

from 3stepbasket.com

Oh ****... I wonder what Brook's year shot chart looks like.

There are many differences between the two players but I think for our purposes the fact that Miles seems like a reliable mid-range shooter and shoots a high percentage from all over the three-point line is pretty huge

My fault, posted Brooks 20-21 chart, here is his 24-25

[ajb905]

Breaking the 31 1st into 3 lesser 1st picks sems like a way to give the team more flexibility in deals. Horst typically gets worked over but could see OKC and maybe Utah pulling something off like that again

[Bernman]

Breaking the 31 1st into 3 lesser 1st picks sems like a way to give the team more flexibility in deals. Horst typically gets worked over but could see OKC and maybe Utah pulling something off like that again

We should not do that, cuz our early 30s picks have higher value due to other teams projecting us to suck, & it giving them more perceived leverage in a prospective Giannis trade negotiation. You lose that if you take a few low 1sts like PHX. They should be copying us, not us copying them.

[Rstuedes24]

Breaking the 31 1st into 3 lesser 1st picks sems like a way to give the team more flexibility in deals. Horst typically gets worked over but could see OKC and maybe Utah pulling something off like that again

Trade 31 for 3 from one of those teams
3 team trade after

MKE out: Kuzma/Ajax/Newly Acquired 1sts/32 swap
Kings out: Derozan/Ellis
NOP out: Trey Murphy

MKE in: Murphy/Ellis
Kings in: Kuzma/Ajax/1 of the 4 1sts
NOP in: Derozan/Remaining 1sts

Rollins/KPJ
Ellis/GTJ
Murphy/AJG
Giannis/BP
Turner/Sims

A guy can dream right?

[soxperry]

Breaking the 31 1st into 3 lesser 1st picks sems like a way to give the team more flexibility in deals. Horst typically gets worked over but could see OKC and maybe Utah pulling something off like that again

Trade 31 for 3 from one of those teams
3 team trade after

MKE out: Kuzma/Ajax/Newly Acquired 1sts/32 swap
Kings out: Derozan/Ellis
NOP out: Trey Murphy

MKE in: Murphy/Ellis
Kings in: Kuzma/Ajax/1 of the 4 1sts
NOP in: Derozan/Remaining 1sts

Rollins/KPJ
Ellis/GTJ
Murphy/AJG
Giannis/BP
Turner/Sims

A guy can dream right?

These Rollins over Kpj posts are going to look hilarious in a few months

[raferfenix]

As previously reported, Kuminga and his camp are expected to meet with a few different organizations during Summer League. That remains true, yet the tone surrounding Kuminga's future has not changed.

The Sacramento Kings, who have made it known around the league that they are interested in the young forward, were never close to finalizing a sign-and-trade with Golden State, sources said. After finalizing a sign-and-trade with the Detroit Pistons for Dennis Schroder, the Kings are just below $10 million from their first-apron hard cap.

If they were to make a serious push for Kuminga at this stage of the offseason, Sacramento would need to find a way to move either DeMar DeRozan or Malik Monk to open space for a big contract. Nobody believes this is a real path that will develop during Summer League.

Much of the same can be said about the Miami Heat, who never really pursued Kuminga this offseason, sources said. Now that Norman Powell is in South Beach with the Heat hard-capped at the first apron, they are basically out of the Kuminga sweepstakes as well.

To be perfectly clear, no sweepstakes really exists here. The Warriors had hoped there would be a straightforward path to substitute out Kuminga for a young talent and draft assets in a sign-and-trade.

That no longer appears to be the case.

In Kuminga's case, a return to the Warriors continues to be likely. Various high-ranking members of the organization would like Kuminga back, including owner Joe Lacob, sources said. Ultimately, the expectation from rival teams around the NBA is that Kuminga will go back to the Warriors with the mutual understanding that he will be moved before the trade deadline in February.

There isn't a market for him right now, which is why a short-term reunion between Kuminga and the Warriors could be beneficial for both sides.

https://clutchpoints.com/editorials/siegels-scoop-bradley-beal-jonathan-kuminga-nba-summer-league-intel