Lillard (signs with Blazers 7/17/25)

[jfs1000d]

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Also stop posting that Scott Berges guy, he doesn't know jack ****. He's lied for attention all summer

Who was the radio guy who swore durant was coming.


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Page 420 of the 2023 CBA, which is Page 444 of the PDF, was easier to find than I feared it would be.

https://ak-static.cms.nba.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2023/06/2023-NBA-Collective-Bargaining-Agreement.pdf

And yes -- Lillard keeps everything he makes from his next team, except for 1/2 of a 1-year veteran's minimum salary.

[chrisab123]

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Also stop posting that Scott Berges guy, he doesn't know jack ****. He's lied for attention all summer

Who was the radio guy who swore durant was coming.


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I mean he has to be enjoying the attention. First mistake the national media made was trusting someone who it seems like is from Revere kid

[djFan71]

Dame cleared waivers. I'm fully on board with bringing him on for a 2 year min deal. Could be a huge win for 26-27.
Plus, think of all the Simons trades I'll have to make.

[Hal14]

Dame cleared waivers. I'm fully on board with bringing him on for a 2 year min deal. Could be a huge win for 26-27.
Plus, think of all the Simons trades I'll have to make.

It would be an interesting path.

-Sign Dame to 2 year min deal
-Sit Dame and Tatum out all of 25-26
-Trade Simons for cap space/young guys
-So you're basically tanking this year - see if we can get lucky in the lottery and draft someone good
-Go all in for another title in 26-27

[djFan71]

Dame cleared waivers. I'm fully on board with bringing him on for a 2 year min deal. Could be a huge win for 26-27.
Plus, think of all the Simons trades I'll have to make.

It would be an interesting path.

-Sign Dame to 2 year min deal
-Sit Dame and Tatum out all of 25-26
-Trade Simons for cap space/young guys
-So you're basically tanking this year - see if we can get lucky in the lottery and draft someone good
-Go all in for another title in 26-27

Yeah exactly, but I don't think we're really tanking, tbh. We're probably in the 6-8 range in the east - depending on the results of trades. If it so happens that we end up in the lotto, that's fine. And could be REALLY fine. But, I wouldn't count on it as part of the plan.

[Green89]

Dame cleared waivers. I'm fully on board with bringing him on for a 2 year min deal. Could be a huge win for 26-27.
Plus, think of all the Simons trades I'll have to make.

It would be an interesting path.

-Sign Dame to 2 year min deal
-Sit Dame and Tatum out all of 25-26
-Trade Simons for cap space/young guys
-So you're basically tanking this year - see if we can get lucky in the lottery and draft someone good
-Go all in for another title in 26-27

Brad's already said they're not tanking. JB is not tanking. Ownership is not tanking. Pritchard will not be tanking. Team is not going to tank, so the nauseating wet dreams here about lottery picks needs to stop.

[Hal14]

Dame cleared waivers. I'm fully on board with bringing him on for a 2 year min deal. Could be a huge win for 26-27.
Plus, think of all the Simons trades I'll have to make.

It would be an interesting path.

-Sign Dame to 2 year min deal
-Sit Dame and Tatum out all of 25-26
-Trade Simons for cap space/young guys
-So you're basically tanking this year - see if we can get lucky in the lottery and draft someone good
-Go all in for another title in 26-27

Brad's already said they're not tanking. JB is not tanking. Ownership is not tanking. Pritchard will not be tanking. Team is not going to tank, so the nauseating wet dreams here about lottery picks needs to stop.

Obviously, no one who works for an NBA team is going to openly admit publicly that they're tanking. Otherwise they'll get fined, like the Mavs did in 2023..

Also, players don't tank. That's not how players are wired. Players are wired to compete. But you can set your roster up in a way that makes it so you'll win less games. Like trading KP for Niang, trading Jrue for Simons, then shopping Simons. Letting Al and Luke walk in free agency. And signing Garza and Minott.

Do you mind if I ask what you have against tanking? How do you think the Spurs won 5 championships? David Robinson got hurt. So they knew they had no shot at a title that season. So they kept him out of the lineup longer..and they tanked..won the draft lottery, got tim Duncan and the rest is history.

Mavericks tanked this year after Kyrie tore his ACL..they won the lottery and drafted Cooper Flagg.

Wemby got hurt last season. Spurs kept him out for the rest of the season, tanked and got the no. 2 pick to draft Harper.

Rockets were the 2 seed in the west last year. How? Tanking which got them a bunch of high draft picks.

Pistons, Cavs, Magic, Thunder. How'd they all turn their franchises around in recent years? Tanking to get Chet, Paolo, Cade, Mobley, etc.

I could go on..

No team is gonna win a title after trimming $250mil in a payroll, drafting a 19 yr old kid in the 1st round who averaged like 10 MPG last season, and had their best player out with a torn achilles. If we're not gonna contend for a title this year, why not try and get a better draft pick? What good does it do if we win a few more games to get the 6 seed instead of the 8 seed?

[Bad-Thoma]

It would be an interesting path.

-Sign Dame to 2 year min deal
-Sit Dame and Tatum out all of 25-26
-Trade Simons for cap space/young guys
-So you're basically tanking this year - see if we can get lucky in the lottery and draft someone good
-Go all in for another title in 26-27

Brad's already said they're not tanking. JB is not tanking. Ownership is not tanking. Pritchard will not be tanking. Team is not going to tank, so the nauseating wet dreams here about lottery picks needs to stop.

Obviously, no one who works for an NBA team is going to openly admit publicly that they're tanking. Otherwise they'll get fined, like the Mavs did in 2023..

Also, players don't tank. That's not how players are wired. Players are wired to compete. But you can set your roster up in a way that makes it so you'll win less games. Like trading KP for Niang, trading Jrue for Simons, then shopping Simons. Letting Al and Luke walk in free agency. And signing Garza and Minott.

Do you mind if I ask what you have against tanking? How do you think the Spurs won 5 championships? David Robinson got hurt. So they knew they had no shot at a title that season. So they kept him out of the lineup longer..and they tanked..won the draft lottery, got tim Duncan and the rest is history.

Mavericks tanked this year after Kyrie tore his ACL..they won the lottery and drafted Cooper Flagg.

Wemby got hurt last season. Spurs kept him out for the rest of the season, tanked and got the no. 2 pick to draft Harper.

Rockets were the 2 seed in the west last year. How? Tanking which got them a bunch of high draft picks.

Pistons, Cavs, Magic, Thunder. How'd they all turn their franchises around in recent years? Tanking to get Chet, Paolo, Cade, Mobley, etc.

I could go on..

No team is gonna win a title after trimming $250mil in a payroll, drafting a 19 yr old kid in the 1st round who averaged like 10 MPG last season, and had their best player out with a torn achilles. If we're not gonna contend for a title this year, why not try and get a better draft pick? What good does it do if we win a few more games to get the 5 seed instead of the 8 seed?

Debating "tanking" is arguing a lot of semantics, it's not like it's defined in the league handbook. The east isn't exactly loaded with scary teams and every team is vulnerable to the luck factor when it comes to staying healthy, I just don't think we are going to be bad enough for tanking to be on the table. If the first half of the season goes poorly or injuries take a toll then it's probably time to start sitting vets with "soreness" and work on development and by association draft position, which I guess you could call tanking.

You could go on with the teams that have "tanked" to improve successfully but anyone could come up with a giant rejoinder of a list of teams that were terrible, drafted high, and were still terrible. Even that list has some questionable points as it relates to approaching the beginning of a season, i.e. Dallas certainly didn't start the season intending on tanking (they were coming off a finals appearance) and the Spurs weren't fighting for lottery odds while Wemby was healthy. They just had to switch modes during the season which is probably what the C's will do if it comes to that. Health aside I have my doubts even if we probably have a second round ceiling at best but maybe we will be worse than I expect, the front court is definitely a question mark at the moment.

I don't have an emphatic point to make here other than I think it's too early to be a proponent of tanking.

[Parasite]

Dame cleared waivers. I'm fully on board with bringing him on for a 2 year min deal. Could be a huge win for 26-27.
Plus, think of all the Simons trades I'll have to make.

It would be an interesting path.

-Sign Dame to 2 year min deal
-Sit Dame and Tatum out all of 25-26
-Trade Simons for cap space/young guys
-So you're basically tanking this year - see if we can get lucky in the lottery and draft someone good
-Go all in for another title in 26-27

Brad's already said they're not tanking. JB is not tanking. Ownership is not tanking. Pritchard will not be tanking. Team is not going to tank, so the nauseating wet dreams here about lottery picks needs to stop.

Yeah it would be SO NAUSEATING to get a lottery pick in a good draft. The horror! Especially when we have zero shot to win the title next year.

[DarkAzcura]

I understand being against tanking as a general multi-year plan, but if there were ever a time to at least soft tank, this would be it. I’m surprised to see so many against it. It’s literally the most useless year with Tatum being out. I don’t expect JB to tank, though, but I do expect Steven’s to not put us in a great position. Considering how poor the bigs are on this team, I think he’s accomplished it to be honest, lol. He won’t admit it obviously.

I want this team to contend for the next 5-7 years as Tatum’s and Brown’s primes close. The best way to do it with the cap space so tied up is to get a high lottery pick in this draft. It would give such a big lift to this team from an asset standpoint.

[bfchs123]

I understand being against tanking as a general multi-year plan, but if there were ever a time to at least soft tank, this would be it. I’m surprised to see so many against it. It’s literally the most useless year with Tatum being out. I don’t expect JB to tank, though, but I do expect Steven’s to not put us in a great position. Considering how poor the bigs are on this team, I think he’s accomplished it to be honest, lol. He won’t admit it obviously.

I want this team to contend for the next 5-7 years as Tatum’s and Brown’s primes close. The best way to do it with the cap space so tied up is to get a high lottery pick in this draft. It would give such a big lift to this team from an asset standpoint.

The tank is just not realistic when you have Brown, White, and PP all playing big minutes still (plus decently solid rotation players in Hauser, Niang Simons, etc.)

The bottom of the NBA is REALLY bad - there were 4 teams that basically won 20 games or less. They didn't get that much better. Also don't see how we are worse than the Nets, Bulls, Heat, Trailblazers, Suns. etc. so at best you are starting in the 5-10 range with a "successful" tank and more likely end up 10-15 range. Basically no shot at a top pick.

Imagine we had tanked all of last year, got the 11th pick and ended up with Cedric Coward. How does that meaningfully impact the franchise at all?

IMO best case season is we do our best to compete and integrate some of the young guys into key back-end rotation roles (not shove them into more meaningful roles that they will eventually downgraded from when Tatum returns and the rest of the roster is filled out). If at the end of the year Scheierman, Queta, Walsh/Peterson are legit rotation players for cheap then we are set to fill out the roster and make another run.

[DarkAzcura]

I understand being against tanking as a general multi-year plan, but if there were ever a time to at least soft tank, this would be it. I’m surprised to see so many against it. It’s literally the most useless year with Tatum being out. I don’t expect JB to tank, though, but I do expect Steven’s to not put us in a great position. Considering how poor the bigs are on this team, I think he’s accomplished it to be honest, lol. He won’t admit it obviously.

I want this team to contend for the next 5-7 years as Tatum’s and Brown’s primes close. The best way to do it with the cap space so tied up is to get a high lottery pick in this draft. It would give such a big lift to this team from an asset standpoint.

The tank is just not realistic when you have Brown, White, and PP all playing big minutes still (plus decently solid rotation players in Hauser, Niang Simons, etc.)

The bottom of the NBA is REALLY bad - there were 4 teams that basically won 20 games or less. They didn't get that much better. Also don't see how we are worse than the Nets, Bulls, Heat, Trailblazers, Suns. etc. so at best you are starting in the 5-10 range with a "successful" tank and more likely end up 10-15 range. Basically no shot at a top pick.

Imagine we had tanked all of last year, got the 11th pick and ended up with Cedric Coward. How does that meaningfully impact the franchise at all?

IMO best case season is we do our best to compete and integrate some of the young guys into key back-end rotation roles (not shove them into more meaningful roles that they will eventually downgraded from when Tatum returns and the rest of the roster is filled out). If at the end of the year Scheierman, Queta, Walsh/Peterson are legit rotation players for cheap then we are set to fill out the roster and make another run.

Realistic or not, it’s the best option. They gave Brown, White, and PP no bigs to operate with. They will score, but without Horford, Porzingis, Tatum, and Jrue, our defense will be pretty mediocre. Add Simons to that and we are gonna get carved up. Our offense may be good, but I have some doubts. That’s why I said soft tank at minimum. Stevens would be smart to keep the big rotation awful because yeah, I wanna keep JB, PP, and White, but I want them to soft tank too. Getting no decent big on this team was the only way to retain part of the core while making them mediocre enough to lose. They are one injury management situation away from 30 wins.

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I understand being against tanking as a general multi-year plan, but if there were ever a time to at least soft tank, this would be it. I’m surprised to see so many against it. It’s literally the most useless year with Tatum being out. I don’t expect JB to tank, though, but I do expect Steven’s to not put us in a great position. Considering how poor the bigs are on this team, I think he’s accomplished it to be honest, lol. He won’t admit it obviously.

I want this team to contend for the next 5-7 years as Tatum’s and Brown’s primes close. The best way to do it with the cap space so tied up is to get a high lottery pick in this draft. It would give such a big lift to this team from an asset standpoint.

The tank is just not realistic when you have Brown, White, and PP all playing big minutes still (plus decently solid rotation players in Hauser, Niang Simons, etc.)

All of those guys will likely get quite a bit of rest/load management. Some of them might not even be on the roster come opening night.

Also, The mavs got the no. 1 pick last year, after they made the NBA finals the previous season. They had lots of good players on their team last year too..

Also, look at the Sixers last season. They were supposed to be a contender. But Embiid got hurt. They decided to shut him down, to try and get a better draft pick, rather than rush him back from injury (our equivalent to this is Tatum injury). Plus Paul George got hurt (our equivalent is KP being traded to Hawks) but they still had Maxey (our equivalent is JB) but he only played 52 games (it wouldn't be shocking if JB only plays like 50-55 games this year, coming off knee surgery and with Tatum out), then McCain got hurt too (our equivalent is Kornet and Horford both gone)..so then they decided to tank and got a top 3 pick..

[chrisab123]

I understand being against tanking as a general multi-year plan, but if there were ever a time to at least soft tank, this would be it. I’m surprised to see so many against it. It’s literally the most useless year with Tatum being out. I don’t expect JB to tank, though, but I do expect Steven’s to not put us in a great position. Considering how poor the bigs are on this team, I think he’s accomplished it to be honest, lol. He won’t admit it obviously.

I want this team to contend for the next 5-7 years as Tatum’s and Brown’s primes close. The best way to do it with the cap space so tied up is to get a high lottery pick in this draft. It would give such a big lift to this team from an asset standpoint.

The tank is just not realistic when you have Brown, White, and PP all playing big minutes still (plus decently solid rotation players in Hauser, Niang Simons, etc.)

All of those guys will likely get quite a bit of rest/load management. Some of them might not even be on the roster come opening night.

Also, The mavs got the no. 1 pick last year, after they made the NBA finals the previous season. They had lots of good players on their team last year too..

Also, look at the Sixers last season. They were supposed to be a contender. But Embiid got hurt. They decided to shut him down, to try and get a better draft pick, rather than rush him back from injury (our equivalent to this is Tatum injury). Plus Paul George got hurt (our equivalent is KP being traded to Hawks) but they still had Maxey (our equivalent is JB) but he only played 52 games (it wouldn't be shocking if JB only plays like 50-55 games this year, coming off knee surgery and with Tatum out), then McCain got hurt too (our equivalent is Kornet and Horford both gone)..so then they decided to tank and got a top 3 pick..

The Mavs didn’t try to tank. What happened was they made a risky trade with Luka when they were I believe the 6th or 7th seed and both AD and Kyrie got hurt. Apples to Oranges on what people here want to do. They were still actively trying to make the playoffs. Im just interested in how we all know that they’re going to do extreme load management so they can do a tank when everyone that is connected to the team says otherwise. I guess we shall find out if the posters know more than the team soon enough.

[DarkAzcura]

The tank is just not realistic when you have Brown, White, and PP all playing big minutes still (plus decently solid rotation players in Hauser, Niang Simons, etc.)

All of those guys will likely get quite a bit of rest/load management. Some of them might not even be on the roster come opening night.

Also, The mavs got the no. 1 pick last year, after they made the NBA finals the previous season. They had lots of good players on their team last year too..

Also, look at the Sixers last season. They were supposed to be a contender. But Embiid got hurt. They decided to shut him down, to try and get a better draft pick, rather than rush him back from injury (our equivalent to this is Tatum injury). Plus Paul George got hurt (our equivalent is KP being traded to Hawks) but they still had Maxey (our equivalent is JB) but he only played 52 games (it wouldn't be shocking if JB only plays like 50-55 games this year, coming off knee surgery and with Tatum out), then McCain got hurt too (our equivalent is Kornet and Horford both gone)..so then they decided to tank and got a top 3 pick..

The Mavs didn’t try to tank. What happened was they made a risky trade with Luka when they were I believe the 6th or 7th seed and both AD and Kyrie got hurt. Apples to Oranges on what people here want to do. They were still actively trying to make the playoffs. Im just interested in how we all know that they’re going to do extreme load management so they can do a tank when everyone that is connected to the team says otherwise. I guess we shall find out if the posters know more than the team soon enough.

They won’t go into the season trying to lose. Joe would never do that. JB would never do that. White, PP, etc. would never do it. Stevens will never admit it, but I mean let’s be real. We do not have a legitimate big man on this team anymore. Part of it is lack of flexibility, but a lot of it is that it will make it harder for us to win.

Outside Brown, White, Hauser, and PP, we have little to no continuity from last year. Simons and Niang are decent players but they aren’t great defenders. Especially Simons. This team is a 40-45 win team as constructed at most, and they are one injury away from going into the low 30s very quickly because they have no proven depth and they have no bigs or wings (outside JB) to help cover up the deficiencies of players like Simons, Hauser, and PP. Hauser and PP have always tried hard on defense, but it’s gonna be different on this team with no Tatum, Holiday, Horford, Porzingis to help on defense.

If Brad pulls off a trade for a legit starting big, I’ll change my mind on what he is doing, but to me, it’s pretty clear he set this team up to soft tank at a minimum. He left enough on the bone to make sure JB’s ego doesn’t get hurt (not trusting him as a number 1), but didn’t put enough on the team to truly help.

[chrisab123]

All of those guys will likely get quite a bit of rest/load management. Some of them might not even be on the roster come opening night.

Also, The mavs got the no. 1 pick last year, after they made the NBA finals the previous season. They had lots of good players on their team last year too..

Also, look at the Sixers last season. They were supposed to be a contender. But Embiid got hurt. They decided to shut him down, to try and get a better draft pick, rather than rush him back from injury (our equivalent to this is Tatum injury). Plus Paul George got hurt (our equivalent is KP being traded to Hawks) but they still had Maxey (our equivalent is JB) but he only played 52 games (it wouldn't be shocking if JB only plays like 50-55 games this year, coming off knee surgery and with Tatum out), then McCain got hurt too (our equivalent is Kornet and Horford both gone)..so then they decided to tank and got a top 3 pick..

The Mavs didn’t try to tank. What happened was they made a risky trade with Luka when they were I believe the 6th or 7th seed and both AD and Kyrie got hurt. Apples to Oranges on what people here want to do. They were still actively trying to make the playoffs. Im just interested in how we all know that they’re going to do extreme load management so they can do a tank when everyone that is connected to the team says otherwise. I guess we shall find out if the posters know more than the team soon enough.

They won’t go into the season trying to lose. Joe would never do that. JB would never do that. White, PP, etc. would never do it. Stevens will never admit it, but I mean let’s be real. We do not have a legitimate big man on this team anymore. Part of it is lack of flexibility, but a lot of it is that it will make it harder for us to win.

Outside Brown, White, Hauser, and PP, we have little to no continuity from last year. Simons and Niang are decent players but they aren’t great defenders. Especially Simons. This team is a 40-45 win team as constructed at most, and they are one injury away from going into the low 30s very quickly because they have no proven depth and they have no bigs to help cover up the deficiencies of players like Simons, Hauser, and PP. Hauser and PP have always tried hard on defense, but it’s gonna be different on this team with no Tatum, Holiday, Horford, etc to help on defense.

I agree with all that. However they’re in the East so 42 wins could theoretically get you a 6th seed. Thats the problem. So in this conference the roster as constructed is too good to tank unless you can convince White and JB to sacrifice a year of their prime and go along with playing 20 minutes a night. The same two guys who have wanted bigger roles their entire careers. Like I don’t know about you but JB now getting his chance to be the guy and then being asked to lay off the gas is probably going to go over like a fart in church. That’s what I’ve been saying for a month or so. People want a tank so they have something to talk about when in reality it’s not happening so why bother talking about it? Yes, Dybantsa is a local kid, yes it would be cool to have him on the team but it’s not realistic.

[DarkAzcura]

The Mavs didn’t try to tank. What happened was they made a risky trade with Luka when they were I believe the 6th or 7th seed and both AD and Kyrie got hurt. Apples to Oranges on what people here want to do. They were still actively trying to make the playoffs. Im just interested in how we all know that they’re going to do extreme load management so they can do a tank when everyone that is connected to the team says otherwise. I guess we shall find out if the posters know more than the team soon enough.

They won’t go into the season trying to lose. Joe would never do that. JB would never do that. White, PP, etc. would never do it. Stevens will never admit it, but I mean let’s be real. We do not have a legitimate big man on this team anymore. Part of it is lack of flexibility, but a lot of it is that it will make it harder for us to win.

Outside Brown, White, Hauser, and PP, we have little to no continuity from last year. Simons and Niang are decent players but they aren’t great defenders. Especially Simons. This team is a 40-45 win team as constructed at most, and they are one injury away from going into the low 30s very quickly because they have no proven depth and they have no bigs to help cover up the deficiencies of players like Simons, Hauser, and PP. Hauser and PP have always tried hard on defense, but it’s gonna be different on this team with no Tatum, Holiday, Horford, etc to help on defense.

I agree with all that. However they’re in the East so 42 wins could theoretically get you a 6th seed. Thats the problem. So in this conference the roster as constructed is too good to tank unless you can convince White and JB to sacrifice a year of their prime and go along with playing 20 minutes a night. The same two guys who have wanted bigger roles their entire careers. Like I don’t know about you but JB now getting his chance to be the guy and then being asked to lay off the gas is probably going to go over like a fart in church. That’s what I’ve been saying for a month or so. People want a tank so they have something to talk about when in reality it’s not happening so why bother talking about it? Yes, Dybantsa is a local kid, yes it would be cool to have him on the team but it’s not realistic.

I think I only disagree about how good this team is relative to the East. If literally any single player is out for an extended stretch, we are a pretty awful team regardless of the conference. Injuries in the NBA are something you can bank on happening especially with some of these guys getting a much larger role than they are used to. Even healthy, I think we are going to struggle defensively a lot. Like a lot. As currently constructed they might honestly be a bottom 10 defense.

[jfs1000d]

Fans hoping for a tank and a top 4 pick are crazy. It would have to happen Something like the mavericks last year. Unluckiness during the season with injuries and incredible luck in the lottery.

They aren't losing 50 games. Not with the roster they have. I am thinking 43-39.


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[Celts17Pride]

Fans hoping for a tank and a top 4 pick are crazy. It would have to happen Something like the mavericks last year. Unluckiness during the season with injuries and incredible luck in the lottery.

They aren't losing 50 games. Not with the roster they have. I am thinking 43-39.


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Celtics draft pick will be somewhere between 15-20 with no major injuries.