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Re: PG: Plan the Parade 

Post#101 » by SFour » Sat Jul 12, 2025 6:32 pm

Randle McMurphy wrote:If the Raptors are ever gonna win the ever valued SL title, this would be the team to do it. Loads of guys with NBA experience.


assuming they keep playing Shead, Walter, Mogbo, etc.....it would be a Raptors thing to rest those guys and play "real" SL players.
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Re: PG: Plan the Parade 

Post#102 » by TimeForChange » Sat Jul 12, 2025 6:57 pm

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Gradey is the guy that sticks out like a sore thumb on this roster. He's going to need a huge summer.

he really needs to be playing in summer league. nothing should be guaranteed.


Gradey is 6'6" and the best movement and distance shooter on the team except for Quickley. I remember how there were loads of detractors for Scottie in his second season when he didn't seem to match the trajectory that was expected of him. In his third season, save for his three point shooting, Scottie seemed to be more of what at least some of us hoped. Gradey's D is the issue, but he is still a better offensive bet than any one of the younger guys except maybe Walter (though I'd still bet on Gradey), and since the late Kevin O'Neill isn't coaching this team, offence and especially scoring still matters.

Battle is 6'7" and a better shooter than Gradey is right now.

Battle is also better defensively.

If Battle is playing in summer league, there is no reason Gradey shouldn't be.
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Re: PG: Plan the Parade 

Post#103 » by dagger » Sat Jul 12, 2025 7:00 pm

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dagger wrote:
TimeForChange wrote:he really needs to be playing in summer league. nothing should be guaranteed.


Gradey is 6'6" and the best movement and distance shooter on the team except for Quickley. I remember how there were loads of detractors for Scottie in his second season when he didn't seem to match the trajectory that was expected of him. In his third season, save for his three point shooting, Scottie seemed to be more of what at least some of us hoped. Gradey's D is the issue, but he is still a better offensive bet than any one of the younger guys except maybe Walter (though I'd still bet on Gradey), and since the late Kevin O'Neill isn't coaching this team, offence and especially scoring still matters.

Battle is 6'7" and a better shooter than Gradey is right now.

Battle is also better defensively.

If Battle is playing in summer league, there is no reason Gradey shouldn't be.


Battle is in his second season, Gradey is in his third. Usually, summer league is for players in their first two seasons. And Battle doesn't move off the ball anything like Gradey.
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Re: PG: Plan the Parade 

Post#104 » by Tor_Raps » Sat Jul 12, 2025 7:16 pm

dagger wrote:
TimeForChange wrote:
dagger wrote:
Gradey is 6'6" and the best movement and distance shooter on the team except for Quickley. I remember how there were loads of detractors for Scottie in his second season when he didn't seem to match the trajectory that was expected of him. In his third season, save for his three point shooting, Scottie seemed to be more of what at least some of us hoped. Gradey's D is the issue, but he is still a better offensive bet than any one of the younger guys except maybe Walter (though I'd still bet on Gradey), and since the late Kevin O'Neill isn't coaching this team, offence and especially scoring still matters.

Battle is 6'7" and a better shooter than Gradey is right now.

Battle is also better defensively.

If Battle is playing in summer league, there is no reason Gradey shouldn't be.


Battle is in his second season, Gradey is in his third. Usually, summer league is for players in their first two seasons. And Battle doesn't move off the ball anything like Gradey.


Ya usually 3rd year guys dont play in SL but at the same time, Dick was injured for most of the time when the Raptors became elite defensively. We dont know how Dick fits into this type of style because let's be real, he was gifted playing time he didnt earn last year.

Let's hope he has a strong offseason because his offensive potential is there. Now we need to start seeing results in year 3 or else he'll be out of the rotation real quick.
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Re: PG: Plan the Parade 

Post#105 » by PickleJ » Sat Jul 12, 2025 7:26 pm

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MEDIC wrote:I love this style of play. Tough/ gritty/ in your face full court defense. I have been wanting the Raptors to play like this since......forever. This is my style of basketball....very entertaing.

This is what they played under Nurse in his final seasons. People complained and said it reminded them of the dreadful coach O'Neil days.


No one should be compared to O’Neil. He was so uniquely dreadful that I actually comsider his year coaching as its own era. There is the expansion era, the Carter era, the Bosh era, the Derozan/Lowry era, the Siakam era, and now the Scottie Barnes era, Two single season count as their own eras: the championship season and the broken lamp season.

Nurses’ offence was awful, but his strategy was the complete opposite of ONeil’s. Nurse wanted to win the possession game. Team can’t shoot, so let’s get more chances. O’Neil, on the other hand, wanted the fewest number of possessions possible. I think his logic went something like this: We suck, so let’s limit the number of possessions in the game so the other team has fewer opportunities to expose our how much we suck. A shorter version of his philosophy, no joy for anyone.
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Re: PG: Plan the Parade 

Post#106 » by PickleJ » Sat Jul 12, 2025 7:27 pm

SFour wrote:bench mob is back


Not only that, but our bench mob has its own bench mob.
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Re: PG: Plan the Parade 

Post#107 » by PushDaRock » Sat Jul 12, 2025 7:34 pm

TimeForChange wrote:
dagger wrote:
TimeForChange wrote:he really needs to be playing in summer league. nothing should be guaranteed.


Gradey is 6'6" and the best movement and distance shooter on the team except for Quickley. I remember how there were loads of detractors for Scottie in his second season when he didn't seem to match the trajectory that was expected of him. In his third season, save for his three point shooting, Scottie seemed to be more of what at least some of us hoped. Gradey's D is the issue, but he is still a better offensive bet than any one of the younger guys except maybe Walter (though I'd still bet on Gradey), and since the late Kevin O'Neill isn't coaching this team, offence and especially scoring still matters.

Battle is 6'7" and a better shooter than Gradey is right now.

Battle is also better defensively.

If Battle is playing in summer league, there is no reason Gradey shouldn't be.


Can you name any other 2nd year player that averaged 10 ppg+ and still played summer league basically ever?
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Re: PG: Plan the Parade 

Post#108 » by HumbleRen » Sat Jul 12, 2025 7:54 pm

PushDaRock wrote:
TimeForChange wrote:
dagger wrote:
Gradey is 6'6" and the best movement and distance shooter on the team except for Quickley. I remember how there were loads of detractors for Scottie in his second season when he didn't seem to match the trajectory that was expected of him. In his third season, save for his three point shooting, Scottie seemed to be more of what at least some of us hoped. Gradey's D is the issue, but he is still a better offensive bet than any one of the younger guys except maybe Walter (though I'd still bet on Gradey), and since the late Kevin O'Neill isn't coaching this team, offence and especially scoring still matters.

Battle is 6'7" and a better shooter than Gradey is right now.

Battle is also better defensively.

If Battle is playing in summer league, there is no reason Gradey shouldn't be.


Can you name any other 2nd year player that averaged 10 ppg+ and still played summer league basically ever?


Not the same but Jalen Williams played in SL after an amazing rookie year. :lol:
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Re: PG: Plan the Parade 

Post#109 » by YogurtProducer » Sat Jul 12, 2025 8:22 pm

tecumseh18 wrote:
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DG88 wrote:Some people said he'd be lucky to get into the rotation lol. Y'all have not watch this kid play. Now he shows out and everyone loves Martin.

They’re still right, he will be lucky to get into the rotation.

Without injuries, there is about 8 guys he has to beat out for minutes



Written in blood: Scottie, BI, Poeltl, IQ, RJ, CMB, Ochai (seven players)

Magic marker: Walter, Shead, Dick, Mogbo (four players)

Pencil: Battle, Mamu (2 players)

Martin, Hepburn, Chomche, Lawson (4 players on the outside looking in).

Obviously a trade is needed, especially if Martin looks like another TD2 in his rookie year.

I meant 8 guards/forwards

Little hyperbole but point stands
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Re: PG: Plan the Parade 

Post#110 » by YelloC » Sat Jul 12, 2025 8:28 pm

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Mogbo looked so good today. Can't decide who I thought was the best player tonight.

It looked like he gained 15 pounds of muscle.
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Re: PG: Plan the Parade 

Post#111 » by Grew » Sat Jul 12, 2025 8:31 pm

TimeForChange wrote:
dagger wrote:
TimeForChange wrote:he really needs to be playing in summer league. nothing should be guaranteed.


Gradey is 6'6" and the best movement and distance shooter on the team except for Quickley. I remember how there were loads of detractors for Scottie in his second season when he didn't seem to match the trajectory that was expected of him. In his third season, save for his three point shooting, Scottie seemed to be more of what at least some of us hoped. Gradey's D is the issue, but he is still a better offensive bet than any one of the younger guys except maybe Walter (though I'd still bet on Gradey), and since the late Kevin O'Neill isn't coaching this team, offence and especially scoring still matters.

Battle is 6'7" and a better shooter than Gradey is right now.

Battle is also better defensively.

If Battle is playing in summer league, there is no reason Gradey shouldn't be.


Gradey doesn't need to beat up on scrubs. He needs to put in individual work and hit the gym.
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Re: PG: Plan the Parade 

Post#112 » by Basketball_Jones » Sat Jul 12, 2025 8:37 pm

Yeah seems like if Chomche is as solid as he showed here I see why we passed on Maluach. Besides CMB being BPA as well.
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Post#113 » by Buff » Sat Jul 12, 2025 8:54 pm

Basketball_Jones wrote:Yeah seems like if Chomche is as solid as he showed here I see why we passed on Maluach. Besides CMB being BPA as well.


I'd say we passed on KM cuz we were extending Jakob
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Post#114 » by Basketball_Jones » Sat Jul 12, 2025 8:58 pm

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Basketball_Jones wrote:Yeah seems like if Chomche is as solid as he showed here I see why we passed on Maluach. Besides CMB being BPA as well.


I'd say we passed on KM cuz we were extending Jakob


That too, though I don’t think KM is starting caliber until maybe year 3 anyways.
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Post#115 » by IRS » Sat Jul 12, 2025 8:58 pm

XTC wrote:Someone on Reddit said CMB gonna join this squad like KD joined the warriors

Im okay with being bad, just as long as the vibes are immaculate. I miss when this place was positive.
What place, realgm? This place was only positive the day the raptors won the championship, and that only lasted a week.

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Post#116 » by YelloC » Sat Jul 12, 2025 8:59 pm

Basketball_Jones wrote:Yeah seems like if Chomche is as solid as he showed here I see why we passed on Maluach. Besides CMB being BPA as well.

Chomche looked solid on D but had a few passes that got my attention.
There was a bounce pass into the interior that was bobbled by the recipient but should’ve been a layup/dunk.
He also looked longer and stronger than all the other bigs.
Going against Yak and Sandro in practice should give him some diverse looks.
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Re: PG: Plan the Parade 

Post#117 » by Tripod » Sat Jul 12, 2025 9:05 pm

MoneyBall wrote:
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MoneyBall wrote:This is what they played under Nurse in his final seasons. People complained and said it reminded them of the dreadful coach O'Neil days.


The offense under nurse sucked, no1 hates defense. Ppl get upset at offense tho, under Darko Toronto shares the rock

The offense sucked in part because of the defense, though. They couldn't dispense the energy for a high motion offense because their defense required so much of their stamina.

Especially when they are playing 38-40mins due to no bench.

Maybe we should employ a hockey style "lines"...lol.

As for Chomche, I am viewing him as a late 1st rd pick in 2026 assuming he keeps progressing. Let him keep learning and playing lots in 905 this year then welcome to the NBA full-time 2006/27.
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Re: PG: Plan the Parade 

Post#118 » by ArthurVandelay » Sat Jul 12, 2025 9:11 pm

YelloC wrote:
Basketball_Jones wrote:Yeah seems like if Chomche is as solid as he showed here I see why we passed on Maluach. Besides CMB being BPA as well.

Chomche looked solid on D but had a few passes that got my attention.
There was a bounce pass into the interior that was bobbled by the recipient but should’ve been a layup/dunk.
He also looked longer and stronger than all the other bigs.
Going against Yak and Sandro in practice should give him some diverse looks.


Passing was one of the strengths talked about in lead up to last years draft.
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Re: PG: Plan the Parade 

Post#119 » by Jerry Lucas » Sat Jul 12, 2025 10:10 pm

dagger wrote:
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dagger wrote:
Gradey is 6'6" and the best movement and distance shooter on the team except for Quickley. I remember how there were loads of detractors for Scottie in his second season when he didn't seem to match the trajectory that was expected of him. In his third season, save for his three point shooting, Scottie seemed to be more of what at least some of us hoped. Gradey's D is the issue, but he is still a better offensive bet than any one of the younger guys except maybe Walter (though I'd still bet on Gradey), and since the late Kevin O'Neill isn't coaching this team, offence and especially scoring still matters.

Battle is 6'7" and a better shooter than Gradey is right now.

Battle is also better defensively.

If Battle is playing in summer league, there is no reason Gradey shouldn't be.


Battle is in his second season, Gradey is in his third. Usually, summer league is for players in their first two seasons. And Battle doesn't move off the ball anything like Gradey.

Correct. Ochai playing the summer league before his 3rd season was an outlier, not something that happens all the time.
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Re: PG: Plan the Parade 

Post#120 » by artsncrafts » Sat Jul 12, 2025 10:58 pm

Just watched the highlights, Lawson and Battle picked up right where they left off. Chomche and Mogbo looked better than I thought. Martin was a star!
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