Patrick Williams is having his worst year

[sco]

Let's be honest; it's not normal for a 23yo to slow down so much. He looks physically broken.

Not defending his game, but he was drafted 50% for his size and athleticism (although it was never great, it was "good"). This was barely after he turned 19:

Watch on YouTube

I'm gonna throw some optimism into the ring. Maybe his foot and knee never healed right. First and foremost it's crucial to keep the weight down this summer. Oh, and let's get Vuc to give him #9 back.

Damn even Wendell looked so much slimmer and athletic there, hard to believe this is the same guy in Orlando.
OTOH Coby looks as slim & athletic now as back then.

I saw your comment and clicked the video and randomly fast forwarded to find WCJ and I saw a #9 and audibly said, "Who is that? Blakeney?"

It was Pat

It's crazy, he's only 23 but moves and plays like a 15-year vet who's one season away from retirement. Jeff Green moves better than him.

Wow. He has not aged well. I wonder if the Bulls' training staff bears some responsibility for his slowdown, if only because I saw the same problem manifest in Ayo. We don't want that to happen to Matas!

[Indomitable]

Renegotiate his deal would be in play soon! Can drop as far as 40% which is $10.8m. Even 20% is $14.4m just above MLE.

This might be an option if he doesn’t get going next year

You have no power to make him do that. This is not the NFL.

Pat would tell you to go bleep yourself.

[MrSparkle]

Let's be honest; it's not normal for a 23yo to slow down so much. He looks physically broken.

Not defending his game, but he was drafted 50% for his size and athleticism (although it was never great, it was "good"). This was barely after he turned 19:

Watch on YouTube

I'm gonna throw some optimism into the ring. Maybe his foot and knee never healed right. First and foremost it's crucial to keep the weight down this summer. Oh, and let's get Vuc to give him #9 back.

Damn even Wendell looked so much slimmer and athletic there, hard to believe this is the same guy in Orlando.
OTOH Coby looks as slim & athletic now as back then.

I saw your comment and clicked the video and randomly fast forwarded to find WCJ and I saw a #9 and audibly said, "Who is that? Blakeney?"

It was Pat

It's crazy, he's only 23 but moves and plays like a 15-year vet who's one season away from retirement. Jeff Green moves better than him.

Yeah, I dunno. It’s a bummer that early athletic degeneration and majorly damaging injuries have been a recurring theme in Bulls draft picks (throw Lonzo into the mix). The number is frankly insane. I’ll spare us the depressing list, but the number of Bulls picks who declined by the time they turned 25 is high. Plantar fasciitis, heart palpitations, ACLs, weight gain and loss of quickness/hops… motorcycle accidents… I can think of 3 Bulls picks who stayed relevant in their 30s in the league: Chandler, Taj, Jimmy.

Our other wonder boys were bench warmers until they retired pretty early - couldn’t play at all by 35 (Kirk, Deng, Noah).

I’m going to be really annoyed if Matas adds 20 pounds and becomes an injury prone big with cement feet. Very concerned this is a strong possibility.

[ShouldaPaidBG]

I saw your comment and clicked the video and randomly fast forwarded to find WCJ and I saw a #9 and audibly said, "Who is that? Blakeney?"

It was Pat

It's crazy, he's only 23 but moves and plays like a 15-year vet who's one season away from retirement. Jeff Green moves better than him.

Wow. He has not aged well. I wonder if the Bulls' training staff bears some responsibility for his slowdown, if only because I saw the same problem manifest in Ayo. We don't want that to happen to Matas!

We need to enjoy Matas' dunks now because they'll be extinct by 2027 with our medical staff

[TheJordanRule]

Renegotiate his deal would be in play soon! Can drop as far as 40% which is $10.8m. Even 20% is $14.4m just above MLE.

This might be an option if he doesn’t get going next year

You have no power to make him do that. This is not the NFL.

Pat would tell you to go bleep yourself.

Nah, trade him in two or three years if he's still this same frustrating dude. I think at least some of the frustration has to do with this team desperately needing more impact players, and that shouldn't be on Pat's plate. Nobody views Pat as a core member, but he's not wildly overpaid. We want him to develop, but if he doesn't, he'll still be tradeable.

[Indomitable]

Renegotiate his deal would be in play soon! Can drop as far as 40% which is $10.8m. Even 20% is $14.4m just above MLE.

This might be an option if he doesn’t get going next year

You have no power to make him do that. This is not the NFL.

Pat would tell you to go bleep yourself.

Nah, trade him in two or three years if he's still this same frustrating dude. I think at least some of the frustration has to do with this team desperately needing more impact players, and that shouldn't be on Pat's plate. Nobody views Pat as a core member, but he's not wildly overpaid. We want him to develop, but if he doesn't, he'll still be tradeable.

I am referring to them demanding a renegotiate.

[Michael Jackson]

You have no power to make him do that. This is not the NFL.

Pat would tell you to go bleep yourself.

Nah, trade him in two or three years if he's still this same frustrating dude. I think at least some of the frustration has to do with this team desperately needing more impact players, and that shouldn't be on Pat's plate. Nobody views Pat as a core member, but he's not wildly overpaid. We want him to develop, but if he doesn't, he'll still be tradeable.

I am referring to them demanding a renegotiate.

Would the Players Union even allow that? I am not sure what the CBA says but I think the Union would throw a fit if there isn't verbiage already for that. The union would never want that even if it is appropriate in P Wills case. Even if Pat wanted to do it. Has this been done in the CBA era?

[Indomitable]

Nah, trade him in two or three years if he's still this same frustrating dude. I think at least some of the frustration has to do with this team desperately needing more impact players, and that shouldn't be on Pat's plate. Nobody views Pat as a core member, but he's not wildly overpaid. We want him to develop, but if he doesn't, he'll still be tradeable.

I am referring to them demanding a renegotiate.

Would the Players Union even allow that? I am not sure what the CBA says but I think the Union would throw a fit if there isn't verbiage already for that. The union would never want that even if it is appropriate in P Wills case. Even if Pat wanted to do it. Has this been done in the CBA era?

It is not happening but I am sure there is a way if both sides agreed.

[sco]

I am referring to them demanding a renegotiate.

Would the Players Union even allow that? I am not sure what the CBA says but I think the Union would throw a fit if there isn't verbiage already for that. The union would never want that even if it is appropriate in P Wills case. Even if Pat wanted to do it. Has this been done in the CBA era?

It is not happening but I am sure there is a way if both sides agreed.

I don't see why it's Pat's problem that AK paid him. Maybe if he doesn't see the floor for 2 years, maybe he'd take a discounted buyout. Don't see any of that happening IRL.

[Donkedave]

Renegotiate his deal would be in play soon! Can drop as far as 40% which is $10.8m. Even 20% is $14.4m just above MLE.

This might be an option if he doesn’t get going next year

You forgot the green font, someone may think you're being serious.

Is that an actual thing on this forum? Obviously wasn’t for real

[GoBlue72391]

Renegotiate his deal would be in play soon! Can drop as far as 40% which is $10.8m. Even 20% is $14.4m just above MLE.

This might be an option if he doesn’t get going next year

You have no power to make him do that. This is not the NFL.

Pat would tell you to go bleep yourself.

Nah, trade him in two or three years if he's still this same frustrating dude. I think at least some of the frustration has to do with this team desperately needing more impact players, and that shouldn't be on Pat's plate. Nobody views Pat as a core member, but he's not wildly overpaid. We want him to develop, but if he doesn't, he'll still be tradeable.

He played like a G League caliber player this past season. He'd still be overpaid if his salary was cut in half.

He's not tradeable, at least not for value. We'd have to attach assets to dump him. Maybe he'll return to form, even though that's not saying much, but even then he'll still be overpaid and would still need assets attached to move him.

[Michael Jackson]

I am referring to them demanding a renegotiate.

Would the Players Union even allow that? I am not sure what the CBA says but I think the Union would throw a fit if there isn't verbiage already for that. The union would never want that even if it is appropriate in P Wills case. Even if Pat wanted to do it. Has this been done in the CBA era?

It is not happening but I am sure there is a way if both sides agreed.

I am not sure. The players union vetoed the A Rod trade to Boston because A Rod was going to take a paycut and they just would not allow that. While P Will is nowhere even remotely in the same universe of impact as ARod was and the players union had to make that statement, their job ultimately is to make sure they get the most out of owners as possible. You can't even negotiate out of an injured player. An agreed buyout is possible but I can't imagine a scenario where they allow a player to negotiate down his contract. That would set the union in a tizzy. It sets a precedent. That changes the whole Ben Simmons situation then if they can, and the union was behind Ben, even if in that case if Ben should have taken a pay cut it would not happen. This is pretty much all moot because there is no chance Pat nor a guy like Ben nor any player is going to agree to it. All owners would agree easily with it though

[Michael Jackson]

You have no power to make him do that. This is not the NFL.

Pat would tell you to go bleep yourself.

Nah, trade him in two or three years if he's still this same frustrating dude. I think at least some of the frustration has to do with this team desperately needing more impact players, and that shouldn't be on Pat's plate. Nobody views Pat as a core member, but he's not wildly overpaid. We want him to develop, but if he doesn't, he'll still be tradeable.

He played like a G League caliber player this past season. He'd still be overpaid if his salary was cut in half.

He's not tradeable, at least not for value. We'd have to attach assets to dump him. Maybe he'll return to form, even though that's not saying much, but even then he'll still be overpaid and would still need assets attached to move him.

In 3 years he could be potentialy traded as a dump or salary match but at this point you have to pay a team to take him off yiour books because of length of contract. The length is really the killer. No one is taking on those years.

[sco]

Nah, trade him in two or three years if he's still this same frustrating dude. I think at least some of the frustration has to do with this team desperately needing more impact players, and that shouldn't be on Pat's plate. Nobody views Pat as a core member, but he's not wildly overpaid. We want him to develop, but if he doesn't, he'll still be tradeable.

He played like a G League caliber player this past season. He'd still be overpaid if his salary was cut in half.

He's not tradeable, at least not for value. We'd have to attach assets to dump him. Maybe he'll return to form, even though that's not saying much, but even then he'll still be overpaid and would still need assets attached to move him.

In 3 years he could be potentialy traded as a dump or salary match but at this point you have to pay a team to take him off yiour books because of length of contract. The length is really the killer. No one is taking on those years.

Yeah, trading him this offseason might feel good, but optimistically he works hard to improve this offseason. Again, with effort, I can convince myself a much better player is in there and has just been beaten down by injuries, playing heavy, playing out of position, asked to do too many things.

[Michael Jackson]

He played like a G League caliber player this past season. He'd still be overpaid if his salary was cut in half.

He's not tradeable, at least not for value. We'd have to attach assets to dump him. Maybe he'll return to form, even though that's not saying much, but even then he'll still be overpaid and would still need assets attached to move him.

In 3 years he could be potentialy traded as a dump or salary match but at this point you have to pay a team to take him off yiour books because of length of contract. The length is really the killer. No one is taking on those years.

Yeah, trading him this offseason might feel good, but optimistically he works hard to improve this offseason. Again, with effort, I can convince myself a much better player is in there and has just been beaten down by injuries, playing heavy, playing out of position, asked to do too many things.

I mean the Bulls have to hope for that. Literally no team would trade anything for him currently. With for more years it is not movable. Granted his cap hit goes from 12% to 8% over the term of the contract, so not insane but who wants to give up 10% on average for the next 4 years for a player that is so meh…. Instead of giving up any positive asset you just hope he becomes moderately playable for at least 3 out of the 4 remaining years. Positive hope is he can at the very least figure out some of his potential and be a serviceable player and not Felicio

[sco]

In 3 years he could be potentialy traded as a dump or salary match but at this point you have to pay a team to take him off yiour books because of length of contract. The length is really the killer. No one is taking on those years.

Yeah, trading him this offseason might feel good, but optimistically he works hard to improve this offseason. Again, with effort, I can convince myself a much better player is in there and has just been beaten down by injuries, playing heavy, playing out of position, asked to do too many things.

I mean the Bulls have to hope for that. Literally no team would trade anything for him currently. With for more years it is not movable. Granted his cap hit goes from 12% to 8% over the term of the contract, so not insane but who wants to give up 10% on average for the next 4 years for a player that is so meh…. Instead of giving up any positive asset you just hope he becomes moderately playable for at least 3 out of the 4 remaining years. Positive hope is he can at the very least figure out some of his potential and be a serviceable player and not Felicio

I didn't think he was far away from being a positive contributing bench rotation player by the end of the season, so the concept isn't far-fetched at all.

[Michael Jackson]

Yeah, trading him this offseason might feel good, but optimistically he works hard to improve this offseason. Again, with effort, I can convince myself a much better player is in there and has just been beaten down by injuries, playing heavy, playing out of position, asked to do too many things.

I mean the Bulls have to hope for that. Literally no team would trade anything for him currently. With for more years it is not movable. Granted his cap hit goes from 12% to 8% over the term of the contract, so not insane but who wants to give up 10% on average for the next 4 years for a player that is so meh…. Instead of giving up any positive asset you just hope he becomes moderately playable for at least 3 out of the 4 remaining years. Positive hope is he can at the very least figure out some of his potential and be a serviceable player and not Felicio

I didn't think he was far away from being a positive contributing bench rotation player by the end of the season, so the concept isn't far-fetched at all.

Oh I agree I think he can become a rotation player and not Felicio.

[Chi town]

https://youtu.be/OiHg8e4Ntok?si=19zFt2Xbchqn7nH5

Pat looked so much better as a rookie. Quicker. Better handle. Shot looked cleaner and quicker. More active.

What happened?

Game got quicker and he got slower?

[ImSlower]

Hey, don't attack me here Chi Town!

[Chi town]

Hey, don't attack me here Chi Town!

Well played.