2025 Summer League

[tontoz]

I think Tre is going to get a lot of 4 point plays with his quick, high release. His shot reminds me a bit of Jamal Crawford.

For those that don't know Crawford was the all time leader in 4 pt plays by a mile prior to the 3 pt explosion, but now Steph and Harden have passed him.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Leaky Black sounds like a gay pornstar. Is that his real name?

Leaky Black sounds like a male exotic dancer who received the infamous "P Diddy baby oil white room special" after his drink was drugged.

This was crazy

The crazy part is P Diddy did have white parties, lots of baby oil, and male exotic dancers as well as females, and folks claim they were drugged.

All of this could have happened.

That's the part.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Wizards looked like a disaster. Give credit to the suns but the Wizards looked like a bunch of random guys out there. No cohesion. No collective goal. Everyone doing their own thing.

With that being said, George looked good and Johnson looked good. The Wizards need to develop Tre so he becomes more than just a scorer. We need him to play defense and make the extra pass.

Wouldn't this be expected based on the Wizards having acquired 11 billion swing men?

Guys want to stand out. The Wizards drafted offense. Bub probably feels pressured knowing the Wizards strongly considered drafting Fears, and he has a legit challenge at PG from AJJ. Carrington looked to score.

He didn't get much run but Watkins' three steals in 14 minutes looks impressive on a box score. Defense is selfless.

[nate33]

Flagg just scored 31 of Dallas' 69 points against San Antonio. He had 13 FTA's

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Ky looks like he could be a legit starter. Bub has no position. Sarr same weaknesses as previous. Tre belongs but how is he not just taller Poole?

Poole didn't play off ball. At 19 Poole was averaging 12.8 ppg 2.2 ast and 3 rebounds at Michigan. Tre Johnson was just the most efficient Wizards player and also our youngest player. For him to be doing this as a rookie is very impressive. The Wizards literally couldn't buy a 3. Give credit to the Suns they packed in the defense. But we should Tre's night in perspective. Even with the defense helping off of shooters he made over 50% of his shots.

7/13 from the field 3/5 from 3.

Compare him to other young players in summer league.
Coooper Flagg was 5/21.
Kon Knueppel was 1/8

It's always funny how people insist on downplaying players. He looked good and leave it at that. Btw, for the season Poole only had 10 games where he made 53.8% on his fg's or more.

By contrast, even with Maluach shooting 1/6, 16.7 3FG%; the Suns shot 12/30, 40 3FG%.

How did the Wizards give up 40% on threes would be my question?

[DCZards]

You asked me that in another thread and I answered it.

So, let me generalize my complaints about this front office’s draft strategy. There are basically three types of players who get drafted in the NBA:

First, high base high ceiling players. Think Cooper Flagg. Only way to draft these players is to have top pick in draft that features 1 or more of them.

Second, high base low ceiling players. Nikola Topic probably would have been high base high ceiling, but injuries knocked him down to high base low ceiling.

Third, low base high ceiling players. Almost all of this front office picks have been in this category. These kinds of players are the least likely to actually make it the nba.

Tre Johnson has the potential to be be a top 3 player in what is considered an extremely good draft at the top end. He was a quality draft pick.

[TGW]

I mean it is just one game, and a summer league game at that, but when our team of the future gets routed by a collection of players who will never play in the NBA and a few unheralded rookies and sophomores, I begin to think some of you are underestimating how poorly this tank is going.

I'm guessing you mean the rebuild rather than the tank.

I don't agree. I'd agree with "slowly," however. I'm just unclear how it might have been (or be) proceeding at greater speed.

Seems to me that a judgemental term like "poorly" would have to be supported by pointing to actions other than those taken which wd have been better.

E.g., I'd love to hear from you whom you'd have taken instead of Bilal in '23. Whom instead of Sarr, Bub, & George in '24. What else has Will done "poorly" as opposed to what else might have been done.

I'm not argueing with you btw. You may be right. & obviously you have in mind a standard to which we should compare this "poorly" executed rebuild. I look forward to hearing about it.

You asked me that in another thread and I answered it.

So, let me generalize my complaints about this front office’s draft strategy. There are basically three types of players who get drafted in the NBA:

First, high base high ceiling players. Think Cooper Flagg. Only way to draft these players is to have top pick in draft that features 1 or more of them.

Second, high base low ceiling players. Nikola Topic probably would have been high base high ceiling, but injuries knocked him down to high base low ceiling.

Third, low base high ceiling players. Almost all of this front office picks have been in this category. These kinds of players are the least likely to actually make it the nba.

It is akin to building a retirement portfolio based on lottery tickets.

Agreed. I still don’t see a player on this roster that can carry a franchise on his back. Just a bunch of complimentary players. Maybe possibly hopefully Tre Johnson turns into this team’s Robin, but they’re still missing a Batman.

Right now the Dawkins honeymoon glazing is at its full peak. At some point the team is going to have to start winning actual games, and that starts with getting productive, consistent players that win on both sides of the court. Getting blown out in summer league and the regular season has got to stop at some point.

[dcstanley]

What do you guys project to be the ranking/pecking order of the young guys in 3-5 years?

Bilal, Sarr, Tre, Bub, Kyshawn, AJ

[DCZards]

What do you guys project to be the ranking/pecking order of the young guys in 3-5 years?

Bilal, Sarr, Tre, Bub, Kyshawn, AJ

Don’t forget Cam.

[AFM]

Tre KG Bilal Sarr Bub AJ

Sarr also could be first on that list, he's really the wild card. If he watches enough Dragonball Z and can get his testosterone levels up, he could be a beast. If he wants to keep playing like a WNBA player, he could be ass.

[payitforward]

...let me generalize my complaints about this front office’s draft strategy. There are basically three types of players who get drafted in the NBA:

First, high base high ceiling players. Think Cooper Flagg. Only way to draft these players is to have top pick in draft that features 1 or more of them. ...

i.e. good fortune -- on your definition, in that case, we haven't had this option. Unless maybe you'd put Tre in this group?

Second, high base low ceiling players. Nikola Topic probably would have been high base high ceiling, but injuries knocked him down to high base low ceiling....

So... you'd have. taken him in place of Sarr? Or via a trade down? Injured tho he was? I don't recall any such suggestion by you. Or anyone else for that matter.

Third, low base high ceiling players. Almost all of this front office picks have been in this category. These kinds of players are the least likely to actually make it the nba. ...

I can't fit even one of their picks into this category.

It is akin to building a retirement portfolio based on lottery tickets.

Nah. All investment involves risk. Drafting a player is like picking a single stock. Every suchh choice involves risk. Sadly, there's no basketball equivalent of, say, an indexed fund -- wch spreads risk across a portfolio of stocks.

Hard for me to find much substance in your critique -- i.e. beyond pure opinion, to which u have a perfect right obviously!

[payitforward]

...I still don’t see a player on this roster that can carry a franchise on his back. ...

i.e. a first option scorer, potential all-nba -- that kind of guy. You are totally correct!

Nor have we passsed on the chance to draft (or otherwise acquire) one. We simply haven't had a chance to pick a guy like that -- unless you have such a guy in mind? If so, whom?

...Maybe possibly hopefully Tre Johnson turns into this team’s Robin, but they’re still missing a Batman.

Right now the Dawkins honeymoon glazing is at its full peak. At some point the team is going to have to start winning actual games, and that starts with getting productive, consistent players that win on both sides of the court. Getting blown out in summer league and the regular season has got to stop at some point.

I keep waiting for a single suggestion from you of the kind, "we should draft Joe Blow." Whoever you think it is or was who will be or would have been that heavy lifter -- and who is or was available to us.

Without substance of this nature, the critique itself seems to have no substance. Am I wrong?

[NatP4]

Second, high base low ceiling players. Nikola Topic probably would have been high base high ceiling, but injuries knocked him down to high base low ceiling....

So... you'd have. taken him in place of Sarr? Or via a trade down? Injured tho he was? I don't recall any such suggestion by you. Or anyone else for that matter.

I had Topic&Sheppard 1A&1B and repeatedly suggested a trade down with Portland or any team in the 7-14 range to get Topic.

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

What do you guys project to be the ranking/pecking order of the young guys in 3-5 years?

Bilal, Sarr, Tre, Bub, Kyshawn, AJ

Tre, Ky, Bilal, Sarr, Bub, AJ

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

...let me generalize my complaints about this front office’s draft strategy. There are basically three types of players who get drafted in the NBA:

First, high base high ceiling players. Think Cooper Flagg. Only way to draft these players is to have top pick in draft that features 1 or more of them. ...

i.e. good fortune -- on your definition, in that case, we haven't had this option. Unless maybe you'd put Tre in this group?

Second, high base low ceiling players. Nikola Topic probably would have been high base high ceiling, but injuries knocked him down to high base low ceiling....

So... you'd have. taken him in place of Sarr? Or via a trade down? Injured tho he was? I don't recall any such suggestion by you. Or anyone else for that matter.

Third, low base high ceiling players. Almost all of this front office picks have been in this category. These kinds of players are the least likely to actually make it the nba. ...

I can't fit even one of their picks into this category.

It is akin to building a retirement portfolio based on lottery tickets.

Nah. All investment involves risk. Drafting a player is like picking a single stock. Every suchh choice involves risk. Sadly, there's no basketball equivalent of, say, an indexed fund -- wch spreads risk across a portfolio of stocks.

Hard for me to find much substance in your critique -- i.e. beyond pure opinion, to which u have a perfect right obviously!

Dawkins is trying to build an index fund by having each first round pick of the 2024 draft on the roster.

[dobrojim]

It would be beneficial to have an actual PG running the offense and creating advantages/forcing defensive rotations. AJ Johnson was the only guard that actually got into the paint and scored/made some nice kick out passes for open 3s.

Didn’t read the whole thread yet (re PHO) game but what
was obvious to me was that our lead guards struggled
to bring the up court and to initiate offense. It was
probably a multi factorial issue some of which can
be fixed more easily than other things. But no, this
one SL game was just one SL game. Even if we play
poorly for the first several months, it would still be
possible in a short span of games to put the tank and
our pick in jeopardy.

[PaulinVA]

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[gesa2]

What do you guys project to be the ranking/pecking order of the young guys in 3-5 years?

Bilal, Sarr, Tre, Bub, Kyshawn, AJ

They are all lottery tickets but my guess as to the ranking in 3-5 years is
Sarr Kyshawn Bilal Tre Champagnie Bub Riley AJ.

Kyshawn IMO has the highest floor right now, Sarr the highest Ceiling. Bilal and Tre are mirror images as Offense/Defense players with lots of questions on the other end. Champagnie has the second highest floor to Ky. Bub has to grow in his skill to overcome his lack of burst (but may well, I love his character and reports of work ethic).
There is so much water to go under the bridge that any of us is more likely to be wrong than right. I like our teams chance to find something out of some of these guys tho, and hope that our top 4 pick next year fills in the gaps enough that we have something real to build with 2 years from now.

[spaceman_E]

Tre KG Bilal Sarr Bub AJ

Sarr also could be first on that list, he's really the wild card. If he watches enough Dragonball Z and can get his testosterone levels up, he could be a beast. If he wants to keep playing like a WNBA player, he could be ass.

Hey the dirtiest, most aggressive player I ever went against was a lady baller. He plays more like he's in the All-Star game.

[nate33]

What do you guys project to be the ranking/pecking order of the young guys in 3-5 years?

Bilal, Sarr, Tre, Bub, Kyshawn, AJ

Tre, Ky, Bilal, Sarr, Bub, AJ

Tre, Bilal, Kyshawn, Bub, Sarr, AJ.