Official 2025 Offseason Thread

[RookieStar]

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Saw this interview with Cuban and it’s really interesting with the Franz situation. They are talking about the Olympics and I wish our front office would grow a back bone here and tell him no. His extension is kicking in and he now makes 25% of our cap. We are going all in to win now and we need him healthy. Like the Olympics is one thing but playing Eurobasket is insane for the risk with how important he is now.

I get where the players come from. National pride is 100x bigger outside the U.S.

Yup..but if it makes owners/league happy, they could always put a rule wherein getting injured outside NBA play have deductions right?

I recall there are some contract clauses like riding motorcycles/ATVS/Jet skis or doing surfing/rock climbing/skiing etc etc are a no-no.

Is it the NBA or am I thinking of an other sport that have such clauses?

[tiderulz]

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Saw this interview with Cuban and it’s really interesting with the Franz situation. They are talking about the Olympics and I wish our front office would grow a back bone here and tell him no. His extension is kicking in and he now makes 25% of our cap. We are going all in to win now and we need him healthy. Like the Olympics is one thing but playing Eurobasket is insane for the risk with how important he is now.

I get where the players come from. National pride is 100x bigger outside the U.S.

Yup..but if it makes owners/league happy, they could always put a rule wherein getting injured outside NBA play have deductions right?

I recall there are some contract clauses like riding motorcycles/ATVS/Jet skis or doing surfing/rock climbing/skiing etc etc are a no-no.

Is it the NBA or am I thinking of an other sport that have such clauses?

the NBA likes the global exposure but doesnt want the risk

[basketballRob]

I agree with Cuban that only young players should compete in the Olympics.

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[RookieStar]

I get where the players come from. National pride is 100x bigger outside the U.S.

Yup..but if it makes owners/league happy, they could always put a rule wherein getting injured outside NBA play have deductions right?

I recall there are some contract clauses like riding motorcycles/ATVS/Jet skis or doing surfing/rock climbing/skiing etc etc are a no-no.

Is it the NBA or am I thinking of an other sport that have such clauses?

the NBA likes the global exposure but doesnt want the risk

I mean... giving 250m contracts to Franz Giannis Luka Jokic etc and *knock on wood* and they tank ypur teams championship aspiration by a non-NBA activity kinda sucks for the team no?

[bigdogdylan5]

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Saw this interview with Cuban and it’s really interesting with the Franz situation. They are talking about the Olympics and I wish our front office would grow a back bone here and tell him no. His extension is kicking in and he now makes 25% of our cap. We are going all in to win now and we need him healthy. Like the Olympics is one thing but playing Eurobasket is insane for the risk with how important he is now.

I get where the players come from. National pride is 100x bigger outside the U.S.

100% I get why he wants to do it but the Magic need to step in since we are carrying 100% of the risk here. His German coach can play him as many minutes as he wants with no risk and we can’t say a thing about it. I am not saying he shouldn’t play in Olympics or even World Cup but eurobasket is insane. It’s one thing if he is on his rookie deal but he took a full max extension. He didn’t give us a discount and he has now played in the last 3 off seasons… We need him healthy in April and hopefully May.

[bigdogdylan5]

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Saw this interview with Cuban and it’s really interesting with the Franz situation. They are talking about the Olympics and I wish our front office would grow a back bone here and tell him no. His extension is kicking in and he now makes 25% of our cap. We are going all in to win now and we need him healthy. Like the Olympics is one thing but playing Eurobasket is insane for the risk with how important he is now.

It's same league where 18 years old refuse to do pre draft workouts because they want to handpick teams to play for (Ace Bailey) and in same league where rookies sign 4 years contracts and play some pickup "summer games"?
What makes Eurobasket any worst than summer league? Like, i'm watching SL and people are literally killing each other on every drive because teams are filled with 27 years old bums that can't play anywhere in the world. So they treat every ball like it' last in their life. Who will pay for damage if some idiot pushes Flagg and he breaks leg?

If you want to burn relationship with player fastest way to do it is tell him what he can't do in his free time .

Comparing eurobasket to summer league is insane. You don’t have a max contract player playing in summer league and most of the high profile even second year guys dominate for two games then stop playing. This is a possible 9 games over 4 weeks with god know how much practice in between. He is ramping up for season play a full month before anyone else. I really hope we don’t get burned by this because I feel like we are playing with fire. There are ways to do this and not ruin your relationship with Franz.

[tiderulz]

Yup..but if it makes owners/league happy, they could always put a rule wherein getting injured outside NBA play have deductions right?

I recall there are some contract clauses like riding motorcycles/ATVS/Jet skis or doing surfing/rock climbing/skiing etc etc are a no-no.

Is it the NBA or am I thinking of an other sport that have such clauses?

the NBA likes the global exposure but doesnt want the risk

I mean... giving 250m contracts to Franz Giannis Luka Jokic etc and *knock on wood* and they tank ypur teams championship aspiration by a non-NBA activity kinda sucks for the team no?

oh, im not saying the NBA is wrong. i agree it would suck for the team. I am surprised there isnt some $$$ compensation policy for injuries that Team USA has to pay in case of injury

[RookieStar]

the NBA likes the global exposure but doesnt want the risk

I mean... giving 250m contracts to Franz Giannis Luka Jokic etc and *knock on wood* and they tank ypur teams championship aspiration by a non-NBA activity kinda sucks for the team no?

oh, im not saying the NBA is wrong. i agree it would suck for the team. I am surprised there isnt some $$$ compensation policy for injuries that Team USA has to pay in case of injury

Agreed. I wonder of that goes for International teams as well.

[pepe1991]

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Saw this interview with Cuban and it’s really interesting with the Franz situation. They are talking about the Olympics and I wish our front office would grow a back bone here and tell him no. His extension is kicking in and he now makes 25% of our cap. We are going all in to win now and we need him healthy. Like the Olympics is one thing but playing Eurobasket is insane for the risk with how important he is now.

It's same league where 18 years old refuse to do pre draft workouts because they want to handpick teams to play for (Ace Bailey) and in same league where rookies sign 4 years contracts and play some pickup "summer games"?
What makes Eurobasket any worst than summer league? Like, i'm watching SL and people are literally killing each other on every drive because teams are filled with 27 years old bums that can't play anywhere in the world. So they treat every ball like it' last in their life. Who will pay for damage if some idiot pushes Flagg and he breaks leg?

If you want to burn relationship with player fastest way to do it is tell him what he can't do in his free time .

Comparing eurobasket to summer league is insane. You don’t have a max contract player playing in summer league and most of the high profile even second year guys dominate for two games then stop playing. This is a possible 9 games over 4 weeks with god know how much practice in between. He is ramping up for season play a full month before anyone else. I really hope we don’t get burned by this because I feel like we are playing with fire. There are ways to do this and not ruin your relationship with Franz.

Summer league is definition of rackless sport activity. Kids vs grown ups, pros vs defacto amateurs.

And from investment POV, teams that draft high in lottery sucked on purpose whole year for that guy, so their investment is way bigger than contract, it's opportunity cost that goes beyond single man contract.

Also what do you think most of players do in summer? How many of them play in Drew League over summer? Including superstars? To prove what? That 6'8 Lebron can't be guarded by 9-5 dad with 2 jobs?

Thing is, players play for national teams because it means a lot to them, in same time it's free exposure for nba and teams. Those German fans also buy jerseys, league pass and watch games too. And Europe is HUGE market ( x2 of USA).

Injuries can happen during most random stuff. is it risky? Yes. But it's not like those players sit at home playing video games either. They are young, dumb millionaires. They do dumb stuff all the time. It's just matter of being cought or not.

[basketballRob]

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Saw this interview with Cuban and it’s really interesting with the Franz situation. They are talking about the Olympics and I wish our front office would grow a back bone here and tell him no. His extension is kicking in and he now makes 25% of our cap. We are going all in to win now and we need him healthy. Like the Olympics is one thing but playing Eurobasket is insane for the risk with how important he is now.

I get where the players come from. National pride is 100x bigger outside the U.S.

100% I get why he wants to do it but the Magic need to step in since we are carrying 100% of the risk here. His German coach can play him as many minutes as he wants with no risk and we can’t say a thing about it. I am not saying he shouldn’t play in Olympics or even World Cup but eurobasket is insane. It’s one thing if he is on his rookie deal but he took a full max extension. He didn’t give us a discount and he has now played in the last 3 off seasons… We need him healthy in April and hopefully May.

Franz has looked like he's had no legs on his shots for the last 3 years.

I don't think Adam Silver is worried about exposing the players to the European market. Silver said the players need to take a break.

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[bigdogdylan5]

I get where the players come from. National pride is 100x bigger outside the U.S.

100% I get why he wants to do it but the Magic need to step in since we are carrying 100% of the risk here. His German coach can play him as many minutes as he wants with no risk and we can’t say a thing about it. I am not saying he shouldn’t play in Olympics or even World Cup but eurobasket is insane. It’s one thing if he is on his rookie deal but he took a full max extension. He didn’t give us a discount and he has now played in the last 3 off seasons… We need him healthy in April and hopefully May.

Franz has looked like he's had no legs on his shots for the last 3 years.

I don't think Adam Silver is worried about exposing the players to the European market. Silver said the players need to take a break.

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This is kind of the thing to Franz has been showing signs of fatigue and he just got hurt significantly for the first time. I just wish he would prioritize our needs. He isn’t going to not play in 2027 World Cup or 2028 Olympics. A good two year light work summers would have been nice.

[bigdogdylan5]

Summer league is definition of rackless sport activity. Kids vs grown ups, pros vs defacto amateurs.

And from investment POV, teams that draft high in lottery sucked on purpose whole year for that guy, so their investment is way bigger than contract, it's opportunity cost that goes beyond single man contract.

Also what do you think most of players do in summer? How many of them play in Drew League over summer? Including superstars? To prove what? That 6'8 Lebron can't be guarded by 9-5 dad with 2 jobs?

Thing is, players play for national teams because it means a lot to them, in same time it's free exposure for nba and teams. Those German fans also buy jerseys, league pass and watch games too. And Europe is HUGE market ( x2 of USA).

Injuries can happen during most random stuff. is it risky? Yes. But it's not like those players sit at home playing video games either. They are young, dumb millionaires. They do dumb stuff all the time. It's just matter of being cought or not.

This last draft was a little bit of an outlier with Dallas and SAS moving up but you can’t convince me a bad team drafting a rookie high has the same risk or worse risk profile then a team openly contending paying said player 25% of the cap. Most of the time it’s by a team who wouldn’t mind a retank anyways. Yea if he is a rookie and gets a career threatening injury then maybe…. But those are now so rare with modern orthopedic advancements.

The magic learned the hard way with Grant Hill how hard it is to compete when committing a huge chunk of salary to an injured player.

[pepe1991]

Summer league is definition of rackless sport activity. Kids vs grown ups, pros vs defacto amateurs.

And from investment POV, teams that draft high in lottery sucked on purpose whole year for that guy, so their investment is way bigger than contract, it's opportunity cost that goes beyond single man contract.

Also what do you think most of players do in summer? How many of them play in Drew League over summer? Including superstars? To prove what? That 6'8 Lebron can't be guarded by 9-5 dad with 2 jobs?

Thing is, players play for national teams because it means a lot to them, in same time it's free exposure for nba and teams. Those German fans also buy jerseys, league pass and watch games too. And Europe is HUGE market ( x2 of USA).

Injuries can happen during most random stuff. is it risky? Yes. But it's not like those players sit at home playing video games either. They are young, dumb millionaires. They do dumb stuff all the time. It's just matter of being cought or not.

This last draft was a little bit of an outlier with Dallas and SAS moving up but you can’t convince me a bad team drafting a rookie high has the same risk or worse risk profile then a team openly contending paying said player 25% of the cap. Most of the time it’s by a team who wouldn’t mind a retank anyways. Yea if he is a rookie and gets a career threatening injury then maybe…. But those are now so rare with modern orthopedic advancements.

The magic learned the hard way with Grant Hill how hard it is to compete when committing a huge chunk of salary to an injured player.

Let's be real, if NBA is serious about lowering risk of injuries, regular season would last 50 games, not 82 games + playoffs.

Why very few players actually get hurt during Olympics, World cup or Eurobasket? Because they have several months off before they return to camps.

Franz played his last official game at April 30.
His first national game is scheduled for August 27th.

There are near 4 months in between.


Grant Hill was accident waiting to happen. Pistons killed him, for 6 years he never played below 38 mpg.

I understand your point, but you can't "stop" athletes from playing off court. It's their free time, they can do whatever they want.

[basketballRob]

I think the next CBA will stop players from playing in Eurobasket. Grant Hill should've taken time off in the summer instead of playing for USA basketball.

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[bigdogdylan5]

Summer league is definition of rackless sport activity. Kids vs grown ups, pros vs defacto amateurs.

And from investment POV, teams that draft high in lottery sucked on purpose whole year for that guy, so their investment is way bigger than contract, it's opportunity cost that goes beyond single man contract.

Also what do you think most of players do in summer? How many of them play in Drew League over summer? Including superstars? To prove what? That 6'8 Lebron can't be guarded by 9-5 dad with 2 jobs?

Thing is, players play for national teams because it means a lot to them, in same time it's free exposure for nba and teams. Those German fans also buy jerseys, league pass and watch games too. And Europe is HUGE market ( x2 of USA).

Injuries can happen during most random stuff. is it risky? Yes. But it's not like those players sit at home playing video games either. They are young, dumb millionaires. They do dumb stuff all the time. It's just matter of being cought or not.

This last draft was a little bit of an outlier with Dallas and SAS moving up but you can’t convince me a bad team drafting a rookie high has the same risk or worse risk profile then a team openly contending paying said player 25% of the cap. Most of the time it’s by a team who wouldn’t mind a retank anyways. Yea if he is a rookie and gets a career threatening injury then maybe…. But those are now so rare with modern orthopedic advancements.

The magic learned the hard way with Grant Hill how hard it is to compete when committing a huge chunk of salary to an injured player.

Let's be real, if NBA is serious about lowering risk of injuries, regular season would last 50 games, not 82 games + playoffs.

Why very few players actually get hurt during Olympics, World cup or Eurobasket? Because they have several months off before they return to camps.

Franz played his last official game at April 30.
His first national game is scheduled for August 27th.

There are near 4 months in between.


Grant Hill was accident waiting to happen. Pistons killed him, for 6 years he never played below 38 mpg.

I understand your point, but you can't "stop" athletes from playing off court. It's their free time, they can do whatever they want.

You can’t force him unless it’s in the contract my criticism is more with the front office than with Franz. How do you not have these discussions with him when committing this much money last year? There is a lot of evidence that they don’t want to negotiate with their star players… Franz imo got overpaid he should not have been allowed super max language. We’re actually lucky he got hurt and didn’t contend for all nba third team…

Now we have Paolo’s contract and I don’t know what the hell they were doing there. Everyday I think about that extension and I get more and more annoyed. How do you give him super max language and a player option? Shai didn’t even get a player option nor did Chet or JWill. That is insane! Best case scenario with it is we lose a year of paying him on the “fun max”. The only players to ever get that on rookie extension are Luka (one of best young players ever) and Trae Young who got his team the year previous to the conference finals pretty much by himself. Which one of these doesn’t sound like the other… I really believe in Paolo but he just got bounced in the first round and his efficiency numbers are what they are. I don’t know why we gave him absolutely everything he wanted. He hasn’t earned that yet imo.

[KillMonger]

This last draft was a little bit of an outlier with Dallas and SAS moving up but you can’t convince me a bad team drafting a rookie high has the same risk or worse risk profile then a team openly contending paying said player 25% of the cap. Most of the time it’s by a team who wouldn’t mind a retank anyways. Yea if he is a rookie and gets a career threatening injury then maybe…. But those are now so rare with modern orthopedic advancements.

The magic learned the hard way with Grant Hill how hard it is to compete when committing a huge chunk of salary to an injured player.

Let's be real, if NBA is serious about lowering risk of injuries, regular season would last 50 games, not 82 games + playoffs.

Why very few players actually get hurt during Olympics, World cup or Eurobasket? Because they have several months off before they return to camps.

Franz played his last official game at April 30.
His first national game is scheduled for August 27th.

There are near 4 months in between.


Grant Hill was accident waiting to happen. Pistons killed him, for 6 years he never played below 38 mpg.

I understand your point, but you can't "stop" athletes from playing off court. It's their free time, they can do whatever they want.

You can’t force him unless it’s in the contract my criticism is more with the front office than with Franz. How do you not have these discussions with him when committing this much money last year? There is a lot of evidence that they don’t want to negotiate with their star players… Franz imo got overpaid he should not have been allowed super max language. We’re actually lucky he got hurt and didn’t contend for all nba third team…

Now we have Paolo’s contract and I don’t know what the hell they were doing there. Everyday I think about that extension and I get more and more annoyed. How do you give him super max language and a player option? Shai didn’t even get a player option nor did Chet or JWill. That is insane! Best case scenario with it is we lose a year of paying him on the “fun max”. The only players to ever get that on rookie extension are Luka (one of best young players ever) and Trae Young who got his team the year previous to the conference finals pretty much by himself. Which one of these doesn’t sound like the other… I really believe in Paolo but he just got bounced in the first round and his efficiency numbers are what they are. I don’t know why we gave him absolutely everything he wanted. He hasn’t earned that yet imo.

That's the market, and also the magic FO learning from their past mistakes letting talent walk through the door due to bad business or mismanagement

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[pepe1991]

I think the next CBA will stop players from playing in Eurobasket. Grant Hill should've taken time off in the summer instead of playing for USA basketball.

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They can't influence players decisions outside of their jurisdiction.

Grant Hill, much like majority of players of that era, shouldn't average near 40 mpg every year. He wasn't first nor last player from that era who's career felt short due overburn.

Just go through 1998 all star and you will see pattern.

Kemp- body gave up on him before 30, retired at 33
Penny. body gave up on him at age 28, defacto retired at 33
Rik Smits - retired at 33 after dealing with injuries several year
Jayson Williams- injury forced retirement at 31
Steve Smith- fall off grace at 33, retired at 35
Antonie Walker- retired at 31, after just existing for last 3 years due injuries
Vin Baker- fall from grace at 30, retired at 34


People just forgot stars got burned out by nba schedule. Not because they played for national teams, but because 82 games + playoffs, playing +35 mpg, often logging +105 games year is just destructive.


Guys like Tim Duncan or KG or Lebron are exceptions and physical outliners. Most nba players, including stars from 90s and 2000s had terrible fall from grace due injuries. Hill is just one of many.

We forget that among even biggest stars, Tracy, Iverson, Arenas had pretty much no career past 31. Arenas pretty much got retired at 25. Stole money and just existed until he was 30, but never played serious basketball pass 25.
We all know Tracy story, Iverson played last serious season at age of 32.

Now you have Durant, Curry, Lebron being top 10-15 players over age of 37. People make trades for Caruso, Caruso is today older than Arenas was when he retired. Caruso is today older than majority of 1998 all star team retired or fell off grace.

Times changed. One of key reasons- nba players no longer play 82 games nor teams play them 38 min in regular season ( just look where it got Deng, Rose and Noah when Thib tried that crap in 2010s , all 3 were broken by 29 )

[bigdogdylan5]

Let's be real, if NBA is serious about lowering risk of injuries, regular season would last 50 games, not 82 games + playoffs.

Why very few players actually get hurt during Olympics, World cup or Eurobasket? Because they have several months off before they return to camps.

Franz played his last official game at April 30.
His first national game is scheduled for August 27th.

There are near 4 months in between.


Grant Hill was accident waiting to happen. Pistons killed him, for 6 years he never played below 38 mpg.

I understand your point, but you can't "stop" athletes from playing off court. It's their free time, they can do whatever they want.

You can’t force him unless it’s in the contract my criticism is more with the front office than with Franz. How do you not have these discussions with him when committing this much money last year? There is a lot of evidence that they don’t want to negotiate with their star players… Franz imo got overpaid he should not have been allowed super max language. We’re actually lucky he got hurt and didn’t contend for all nba third team…

Now we have Paolo’s contract and I don’t know what the hell they were doing there. Everyday I think about that extension and I get more and more annoyed. How do you give him super max language and a player option? Shai didn’t even get a player option nor did Chet or JWill. That is insane! Best case scenario with it is we lose a year of paying him on the “fun max”. The only players to ever get that on rookie extension are Luka (one of best young players ever) and Trae Young who got his team the year previous to the conference finals pretty much by himself. Which one of these doesn’t sound like the other… I really believe in Paolo but he just got bounced in the first round and his efficiency numbers are what they are. I don’t know why we gave him absolutely everything he wanted. He hasn’t earned that yet imo.

That's the market, and also the magic FO learning from their past mistakes letting talent walk through the door due to bad business or mismanagement

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It’s not the market though. Tyrese Haliburton, Anthony Edwards, and Shai including many others didn’t get a player option. Do you think Paolo is better than any of these guys? So we’re scared he is going to leave so we give him everything he wants including an avenue to leave early? Look at Rockets they used their leverage perfect and the players don’t hate them and want to leave. I am sorry us being insecure as a franchise is not a good excuse for us making bad deals.

[cedric76]

cuban is clueless

[KillMonger]

You can’t force him unless it’s in the contract my criticism is more with the front office than with Franz. How do you not have these discussions with him when committing this much money last year? There is a lot of evidence that they don’t want to negotiate with their star players… Franz imo got overpaid he should not have been allowed super max language. We’re actually lucky he got hurt and didn’t contend for all nba third team…

Now we have Paolo’s contract and I don’t know what the hell they were doing there. Everyday I think about that extension and I get more and more annoyed. How do you give him super max language and a player option? Shai didn’t even get a player option nor did Chet or JWill. That is insane! Best case scenario with it is we lose a year of paying him on the “fun max”. The only players to ever get that on rookie extension are Luka (one of best young players ever) and Trae Young who got his team the year previous to the conference finals pretty much by himself. Which one of these doesn’t sound like the other… I really believe in Paolo but he just got bounced in the first round and his efficiency numbers are what they are. I don’t know why we gave him absolutely everything he wanted. He hasn’t earned that yet imo.

That's the market, and also the magic FO learning from their past mistakes letting talent walk through the door due to bad business or mismanagement

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It’s not the market though. Tyrese Haliburton, Anthony Edwards, and Shai including many others didn’t get a player option. Do you think Paolo is better than any of these guys? So we’re scared he is going to leave so we give him everything he wants including an avenue to leave early? Look at Rockets they used their leverage perfect and the players don’t hate them and want to leave. I am sorry us being insecure as a franchise is not a good excuse for us making bad deals.

It's a bad deal in your eyes, in mine it's not... Is Paolo as good as those guys you mentioned? Well in their year 22 season? Individualy yeah he is on par with those guys maybe not Luka...."its not the market though" really? Bro chet holmgren who missed an entire year just got 250 M's.... I think you're just hung up on the player option, that accomplishes two things it keeps pressure on the magic and he can opt out and resign to make more money....i don't get the disconnect

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